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Scoe said:
What year was that?
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His last one? I'll try to find it. I remember watching the game at the Marco Polo. As I recall he was coming off the DL and pushed his pitch count.
 
The Pirates just spent actual money on two players, are at .500 and a half game out. MLB is fixed! :p
 
Imagine Warren Spahn and Johnny Sain in the 1948 pennant race pitched 4 complete games each in 12 days. Sain had 24 wins and 28 complete games that season. 312 innings Twenty-eight Complete games. Spahn in that stretch pitched a 14 inning complete game. 41 innings in 12 days. There are #1 starters who don’t pitch 41 innings in a month. In 1968 Bob Gibson pitched 28 complte games out of 32 starts. And had an era under 2. Today a guy goes 6 1/3 and he is considered an iron man. In 1963 Spahn and Juan Maricial both pitched 15 plus in a 1-0 Giants win. Now big time starters wouldn’t go 15 innings between them.
 
freescooter said:
Imagine Warren Spahn and Johnny Sain in the 1948 pennant race pitched 4 complete games each in 12 days. Sain had 24 wins and 28 complete games that season. 312 innings Twenty-eight Complete games. Spahn in that stretch pitched a 14 inning complete game. 41 innings in 12 days. There are #1 starters who don’t pitch 41 innings in a month. In 1968 Bob Gibson pitched 28 complte games out of 32 starts. And had an era under 2. Today a guy goes 6 1/3 and he is considered an iron man. In 1963 Spahn and Juan Maricial both pitched 15 plus in a 1-0 Giants win. Now big time starters wouldn’t go 15 innings between them.
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Spahn and Sain and a day of rain.
 
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Might as well bump this thread. Regular season it’s understood pulling guys early. Don’t really like pulling a guy pitching a no hitter as the Astros ok fine you win whatever, but pulling Wheeler in the 6th at 70 pitches? It’s not like he was getting rocked, so what he was in a jam, I thought Rob Thompson was smarter then that.

I’m sure Alvarez does have great numbers against lefties but what what the analytics don’t tell you are the numbers against Alvarez with runners on 1st and 3rd with 1 out in an elimination game. You go with your ace to at least get through the 6th, you go with with your ace to put your pen in the best position possible if you lose with your so be it.
 
Scoe said:
Might as well bump this thread. Regular season it’s understood pulling guys early. Don’t really like pulling a guy pitching a no hitter as the Astros ok fine you win whatever, but pulling Wheeler in the 6th at 70 pitches? It’s not like he was getting rocked, so what he was in a jam, I thought Rob Thompson was smarter then that.

I’m sure Alvarez does have great numbers against lefties but what what the analytics don’t tell you are the numbers against Alvarez with runners on 1st and 3rd with 1 out in an elimination game. You go with your ace to at least get through the 6th, you go with with your ace to put your pen in the best position possible if you lose with your so be it.
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So, I'll play counter here.

How many complete starts of Wheeler have you seen this year? Never mind the daily workouts, bullpen sessions, off day sessions, etc, etc, etc. Don't you think that coaching staff is a little better equipped to make the decision than Scoe of the Boneyard? It didn't work and that opens up Monday morning quarterbacking......but a couple days earlier, people were questioning pulling a guy that had a postseason no hitter and now he's drenched in champagne.
 
Deepster said:
So, I'll play counter here.

How many complete starts of Wheeler have you seen this year? Never mind the daily workouts, bullpen sessions, off day sessions, etc, etc, etc. Don't you think that coaching staff is a little better equipped to make the decision than Scoe of the Boneyard? It didn't work and that opens up Monday morning quarterbacking......but a couple days earlier, people were questioning pulling a guy that had a postseason no hitter and now he's drenched in champagne.
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I questioned the move at the time. Game 4 wasn’t a 1 run game on 70 pitches in the 6th. The Astros had the game won pretty much in game 4 and their starter threw 97 pitches, so not a huge fan of it but it was more justifiable.

70 pitches vs 97 is a huge difference, not to mention Alvarado was pitching to Alvarez, don’t you think Wheeler who was already in the game was more equipped to face Alvarez with a man on 1st and 3rd. Who’s control do you trust more. I still think the Astros win btw, but you had a better shot to send it to game 7 with Wheeler. Wheeler also had an extra day of rest.

OMG I’m not a manager I’m on a message board so I’m not allowed to question any moves.
 
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Deepster said:
So, I'll play counter here.

How many complete starts of Wheeler have you seen this year? Never mind the daily workouts, bullpen sessions, off day sessions, etc, etc, etc. Don't you think that coaching staff is a little better equipped to make the decision than Scoe of the Boneyard? It didn't work and that opens up Monday morning quarterbacking......but a couple days earlier, people were questioning pulling a guy that had a postseason no hitter and now he's drenched in champagne.
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Considering he's their best pitcher, he was pitching an absolute gem, he had only thrown 70 pitches and he averaged 100 pitches per start in the regular season, he hadn't given up anything hit hard, and hadn't lost any of his velocity it was a brutal decision and most likely lost them the World Series.

It wasn't long ago when managers rode their stud starting pitchers in the biggest games and often times they were rewarded with World Series rings because of it. This is right there with the Blake Snell decision and some others we've seen. It's something which has made the game worse IMO and it deserves to backfire like it so often does.
 
superjohn said:
Considering he's their best pitcher, he was pitching an absolute gem, he had only thrown 70 pitches and he averaged 100 pitches per start in the regular season, he hadn't given up anything hit hard, and hadn't lost any of his velocity it was a brutal decision and most likely lost them the World Series.

It wasn't long ago when managers rode their stud starting pitchers in the biggest games and often times they were rewarded with World Series rings because of it. This is right there with the Blake Snell decision and some others we've seen. It's something which has made the game worse IMO and it deserves to backfire like it so often does.
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This. Analytics are necessary, but over use (information overload) of analytics is ruining the game. Same thing when Boone pulled Cole to go to Lou Trevino. Its much easier to defend keeping Wheeler / Cole in in those situations than having to explain pulling your workhorse early when it inevitably backfires.
 
Good for Dusty Baker, old school managers can still get it done. Just sits back with a tooth pick in his mouth and lets his guys play he doesn’t get in their way.
 
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McLovin said:
This. Analytics are necessary, but over use (information overload) of analytics is ruining the game. Same thing when Boone pulled Cole to go to Lou Trevino. Its much easier to defend keeping Wheeler / Cole in in those situations than having to explain pulling your workhorse early when it inevitably backfires.
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Scoe said:
Good for Dusty Baker, old school managers can still get it done. Just sits back with a tooth pick in his mouth and lets his guys play he doesn’t get in their way.
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These comments are really funny when the Astros are at the forefront of the analytics movement. Pretty much perfectly sums up sports fans mindsets, when it works nobody says a word and when it doesn't the blame is all on analytics
 
Scoe said:
Good for Dusty Baker, old school managers can still get it done. Just sits back with a tooth pick in his mouth and lets his guys play he doesn’t get in their way.
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I remember the good ole days when Dusty used to burn out all his starting pitchers by end of August.
 
navery12 said:
These comments are really funny when the Astros are at the forefront of the analytics movement. Pretty much perfectly sums up sports fans mindsets, when it works nobody says a word and when it doesn't the blame is all on analytics
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Your exactly right they are at the forefront of analytics and at the forefront of how to use analytics.
 
Scoe said:
Your exactly right they are at the forefront of analytics and at the forefront of how to use analytics.
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I will give you that, they're much better about how to apply analytics than most team. Forget the name of it, but there was a good book about it a few years ago
 
navery12 said:
These comments are really funny when the Astros are at the forefront of the analytics movement. Pretty much perfectly sums up sports fans mindsets, when it works nobody says a word and when it doesn't the blame is all on analytics
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Like I said, analytics are necessary. The way the Yankees do it (i.e. relief pitcher “lanes”) doesn’t work, clearly.
 
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Chin Diesel said:
Jeter looks old with the chrome dome and gray beard.
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Haha he does, if he was clean shaven he would look the same, I don’t think he cares about his appearance that much now being a family guy.

Yankee fans want Jeter to be the GM, I would rather see him own the team.
 
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