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OT: Poll - Interesting that 1/2 of CT residents want to move away

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Palatine said:
It's the economy stupid. The liberal legislature has driven out all the jobs.

And you're very naive if you don't think that Democrats love the rich as much as the Republicans. The only place they can get money after they take care of the limousine liberals is the middle class.
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I think you clearly win the prize for most recycled a.m. radio talking points that, when parsed, are absolutely devoid of meaning. This whole thread should be in the cesspool, though.
 
The top 8 states that people want to leave are all liberal states with high taxes, high regulations, high union participation, high debt and mainly run by liberal democrats. If you can't see the trend your blind.
 
mcs333 said:
The top 8 states that people want to leave are all liberal states with high taxes, high regulations, high union participation, high debt and mainly run by liberal democrats. If you can't see the trend your blind.
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Like I said my whole family were 3rd, 4 and 5th generation Ct residents; we all live in the south east now. The taxes, cost of living and overall economy drove all of us out within the last 5-6 years. An entire family.
 
It was inevitable that this would devolve into a political discussion. The business migration south is predictable. CT has a lot of inherent disadvantages in attracting and keeping businesses (lack of space, old infrastructure, legacy costs). Incredibly, instead of doing things to mitigate these disadvantages, we enact policies that exacerbate the problem.
 
If I go to the top floor of the building I work in I can see the hospital I was born in.... so I'm a Connecticut guy.

The main problem here is winter sucks.

If you are retired you can't stay. It makes zero sense.
 
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mcs333 said:
The top 8 states that people want to leave are all liberal states with high taxes, high regulations, high union participation, high debt and mainly run by liberal democrats. If you can't see the trend your blind.
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What each of those states also has is a minority of conservative voters that think they are entitled to more than they receive, don't recognize how they benefit from the services they are provided and are stoked to madness by conservative media.

And I can point to just as many conservative states that are completely mismanaged. Florida's flood insurance program will be wildly inadequate the next time a storm hits, Alabama has had high profile municipal bankruptcy that does not get publicized like Detroit, all of the southeast is degrading its environment at incredible rates (a cost which will eventually be born by someone) and even everyone's favorite state, Texas, has a quarter of a trillion in debt. I would also add that the bottom 10 states with regard to education, health and lifespan are predominately conservative.
 
The Midwest is a wasteland other than Chicagoland and Traverse City. I hate CT and would love to leave this place, but have to have a job and be willing to make a change, and in many cases leave family.

I surprised the results weren't higher for people wanting to leave.

HuskyHoosier said:
I've lived in CT most of my life, spent 2 years in the Midwest, and can't wait to go back. A lot of it has to do with cost of living combined with quality of life. In the northeast, yes you get paid more. However, you work twice as hard, and after the higher taxes and housing values you are not that much better off financially even with the higher salary. I'd rather be in a similar financial net position in the Midwest and be allowed to dedicate much more time to watching my kids grow.

You get some great suburban communities in the midwest as well, with many top-notch universities so there is plenty to do, with good school systems, and did I mention lower taxes?
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Yonick said:
When we complain about cold winters and wet damp springs, just think of all the tornados in the Midwest, south, and southwest. The droughts in Texas, and droughts, Santa Anna winds, mudslides, smog, and earthquakes in CA. Then I suppose we can tolerate winters in CT that are milder than winters in the entire Midwest and north central part of the country.
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Thank God for Global Warming- imagine how cold these past few winters would have been? Or this spring????? :)
 
Deepster said:
As I've gotten older (46), I hate the winters. I hate the cold. I hate the wet bitter springs.

I hate Hartford. In travelling to most of the major US cities over my career, Hartford is undoubtedly in the bottom quarter of places to go. Cities like Milwaukee or Cleveland or Indianapolis that might not jump to the front of your list are light years better than Hartford. The Sound is a septic system and the CT shore is disgusting. The people are, generally speaking, rude and unfriendly (and that goes for a great deal of the tri-state area).

I mean, what's to like?
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Truth. I mean, , I have to Go to Grand Rapids Michigan next week. I like it better than Hartford, and that is pretty sad.

I rue the day my wife made us plant our roots back here. I grew up in CT (Farmington Valley) and I went to Uconn right out of high school and quickly decided both college and CT werent from me (I got my degree, took me over a decade total, but I digress)... Since then I have live in L.A., San Francisco (Marin County),Santa Cruz, New York City and Boulder, Co.

There is so much more out there than CT. And I actually LIKE CT. I like where I live on the shoreline, I really like the school system my daughter is in. It can be a pretty area. But I LOVED those other places I lived all for different reasons.
 
WestHartHusk said:
You are the one pigeon-holing me into Hartford. Please tell me what is "must see" in Milwaukee, since that is on your list.
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Pizza Shuttle. They have the best Chicken Tenders in Milwaukee!
 
August_West said:
Truth. I mean, , I have to Go to Grand Rapids Michigan next week. I like it better than Hartford, and that is pretty sad.

I rue the day my wife made us plant our roots back here. I grew up in CT (Farmington Valley) and I went to Uconn right out of high school and quickly decided both college and CT werent from me (I got my degree, took me over a decade total, but I digress)... Since then I have live in L.A., San Francisco (Marin County),Santa Cruz, New York City and Boulder, Co.

There is so much more out there than CT. And I actually LIKE CT. I like where I live on the shoreline, I really like the school system my daughter is in. It can be a pretty area. But I LOVED those other places I lived all for different reasons.
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Great post.

For people who have never lived anywhere but CT they think CT is a great place, but almost everyone in this thread who has moved out and lived in other parts of the country agree they have no desire to go back. There is a reason for this.
 
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For what it's worth, I own a small biz. One daughter in Tulsa Ok, the other near Greenville SC, Clemson. One in Ok married last yr, other in a month. I'm selling our hm in Ct, going to buy the same home in SoCar for half the price. More important than the price, prop taxes annually will be $8-9000 less, and utility costs would be $800+ less per month. I will travel back and forth twice a month, and save approx $20k annually. Warmer weather, people are genuinely nicer in general. Will keep a small apt at my office. Really looking forward to being around more like minded people too. I'm in the minority of every political and social issue up here. Even getting into Nascar! Love the Huskies though!
 
Jerry1714 said:
Great post. For people who have never lived anywhere but CT they think CT is a great place, but almost everyone in this thread who has moved out and lived in other parts of the country agree they have no desire to go back. There is a reason for this.
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Yeah the reason is money. It's just ludicrous here. The taxes, the cost of houses, groceries, gasoline..... Etc.....

I mean I KNOW expensive. I lived in Marin County and NYC ( east village). CT is right up there with them in what it costs to live.

The problem is that it is almost all of the costs of those 2 places I mentioned and almost none of the benefits you get from living there. It's worth it to struggle in NYC and SF ( for me and how I like to live at least) . CT not so much.
 
It all depends on what's important to you. CT is expensive and the economy is not growing. However for those people that can get good, high-paying jobs, CT ranks at the top or near the top in education and health and has near the lowest poverty rates and crime. CT and New England in general is a great place to raise your kids.

Obviously if you're young you might want to live in a city that has more excitement. If you're old you want to move somewhere warm and cheap. But there are a lot of people that want to have a family and don't want to move anywhere else.
 
mcs333 said:
The top 8 states that people want to leave are all liberal states with high taxes, high regulations, high union participation, high debt and mainly run by liberal democrats. If you can't see the trend your blind.
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Another way to look at it, is they can't compete and have to settle for outwitting the southern conservatives, cause you know all those deep southern conservative states do really well in these rankings.
 
whaler11 said:
If I go to the top floor of the building I work in I can see the hospital I was born in.... so I'm a Connecticut guy.

The main problem here is winter sucks.

If you are retired you can't stay. It makes zero sense.
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Why does nobody leave Maine? Their winters are longer and colder. Weather is a factor but I think it has more to do with opportunities and economics. That's why I left 7 years ago. Good paying, stable job, no income tax and property taxes 1/2 of what I was paying in CT for twice the house.
 
Lots of CT natives here in Colorado. As someone who left CT 20 years ago there are some stark differences I notice. People here say hi to strangers here in Colorado. I think CT is just too crowded and too suburban
 
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Jerry1714 said:
Great post.

For people who have never lived anywhere but CT they think CT is a great place, but almost everyone in this thread who has moved out and lived in other parts of the country agree they have no desire to go back. There is a reason for this.
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You know, none of us are saying that there aren't other good places to live. I for one love Colorado, and the Bozeman, MT is great. They are disqualified for me under my "proximity to salt water" requirement. Someone asked "what's to like"? A bunch of things were offered. But apparently they can't be true because you moved out of state 15 years ago . . .
 
You guys fail to realize Connecticut's history sells itself. People do want to live here. From around the world.
 
Johnny Mac said:
Why does nobody leave Maine? Their winters are longer and colder. Weather is a factor but I think it has more to do with opportunities and economics. That's why I left 7 years ago. Good paying, stable job, no income tax and property taxes 1/2 of what I was paying in CT for twice the house.
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Maine is losing population. Rapidly.

But ultimately you're correct. The main reason that people are leaving the area is economics.
 
Yonick said:
You are right, but, only in the summer months. Winter isn't too fascinating up there.
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Winter in Portland is about the same as winter here. The Atlantic mitigates any extreme cold. It's Portland, not Burlington, VT.

I didn't just visit there. I lived there for 6 months in the Navy, January - June, back when it was a grittier more blue-collar version of the city it is now. I loved the 1986 version and I like the 2014 version just as well.
 
Jerry1714 said:
Great post.

For people who have never lived anywhere but CT they think CT is a great place, but almost everyone in this thread who has moved out and lived in other parts of the country agree they have no desire to go back. There is a reason for this.
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I've lived several other places and have family that I visit in other places besides. They all have their charms. I love Connecticut, though. In 90 minutes I can be in the greatest city in the history of human civilization, taking advantage of a breadth of culture the rest of the country (and planet) can only marvel at. 90-120 minutes in the opposite direction and I'm in some of the most beautiful country in the world. And even when I'm at home I can hike a different trail every weekend for a decade without repeat, kayak virtually anywhere, go to New Haven and eat at great restaurants, go to Hartford and see a play at one of the best regional thea tres in the country, and on and on. On some level I've loved every place I've lived and most of the places I've visited. But here I am in CT by choice.
 
I love Connecticut, and I will probably only leave the state if they drag me out kicking and screaming.

I love the four seasons (even though this year has felt like one of the four seasons is winning).
I like the school systems that my kids will go to.
I like the fact that I get to experience a diverse set of cultures on a daily basis (most days, I'm speaking at least three languages and saying swears in an additional two with friends, family, etc.).
I like the fact that the beach is 30 minutes away.
I like the state forests (and even multiple waterfalls!) that I get to visit, especially in the Fall.
I LOVE the Fall! Favorite season of the year, and the Fall in CT is beautiful (post-card worthy).
I like the fact that our summers, unlike Florida, aren't 180% humidity (yeah....I sweat a lot, and that ain't nice).

I could continue to go on and on, but why bother? Everyone should be where they want to be if they can get there. I want to be in Connecticut!
 
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John said:
The thing I've found with CT beaches is that there's invariably garbage floating in the water and left in the sand. You just don't get that at places like Cape Cod. Might be the function of the Sound being enclosed, or maybe CT people are just slobs.
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Its a sound and the crap comes from Long Island - the sounds are never as clean as the ocean- not enough churn. LI Sound is dramatically cleaner than 20 years ago.
The only thing that makes CT suck is the damn socialist legislature. They make everything that is negative about CT
 
I have lived in Chicago for many years now and love so much about the city and a few things I hate. Having lived out here for years and travelling and spending time in places in the Midwest, I can tell you much of the Midwest has nothing to offer, Sure most of the people are very warm and friendly but once you leave Chicago there is basically nothing. There is a whole lot of ugly terrain and scenery and a whole lot of nothing strip mall towns, sure it isn't all like that but from what I've seen much of it is. Connecticut is a beautiful state as is most of New England, I'm not sure there is a prettier place than the coast of Maine. Also, the winter's are a lot rougher out here.
 
ffg53 said:
I've lived several other places and have family that I visit in other places besides. They all have their charms. I love Connecticut, though. In 90 minutes I can be in the greatest city in the history of human civilization, taking advantage of a breadth of culture the rest of the country (and planet) can only marvel at. 90-120 minutes in the opposite direction and I'm in some of the most beautiful country in the world. And even when I'm at home I can hike a different trail every weekend for a decade without repeat, kayak virtually anywhere, go to New Haven and eat at great restaurants, go to Hartford and see a play at one of the best regional thea tres in the country, and on and on. On some level I've loved every place I've lived and most of the places I've visited. But here I am in CT by choice.
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I'm 47 and for years I've been the rah-rah guy about CT and wish I was still that guy, but in the past (perhaps) 5 years or so, I'm turning more and more anti-CT and wish we weren't here (wife has a good job here though so we won't be leaving). I hope I can recapture my enthusiasm. A lot has to do with the winters, as I get a little older every year, I have increasing problems dealing with the winter (and I used to not mind winters at all, in fact I kind of liked them).
 
If the Whalers come back than maybe I'll be back. Until than I can get my Husky fix on cable.
 
Geno-ista said:
For what it's worth, I own a small biz. One daughter in Tulsa Ok, the other near Greenville SC, Clemson. One in Ok married last yr, other in a month. I'm selling our hm in Ct, going to buy the same home in SoCar for half the price. More important than the price, prop taxes annually will be $8-9000 less, and utility costs would be $800+ less per month. I will travel back and forth twice a month, and save approx $20k annually. Warmer weather, people are genuinely nicer in general. Will keep a small apt at my office. Really looking forward to being around more like minded people too. I'm in the minority of every political and social issue up here. Even getting into Nascar! Love the Huskies though!
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You hit the nail on the head. I'm 67 and retired chemist. We've looked at houses in NC/SC that are on a lake, boathouse, 3500 sq ft etc and the property taxes for this 450K house is $2K per year [currently pay $8K in SECt. As a retiree they treat income taxes differently there too. Everything is about 30% cheaper there. My neighbor who wns a business bought a house in SC and lives there 6 mo and loves it-registers some of his expensive cars there to save $. Saving can be had on heating costs, fuel, taxes just about everything. Most of my 8 siblings live here except for my son in San Diego, sis in Vegas and bro part time FL. UConn and my wife have kept me here but really starting to think south!
 
Yonick said:
When we complain about cold winters and wet damp springs, just think of all the tornados in the Midwest, south, and southwest. The droughts in Texas, and droughts, Santa Anna winds, mudslides, smog, and earthquakes in CA. Then I suppose we can tolerate winters in CT that are milder than winters in the entire Midwest and north central part of the country.
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Ummm, no. You read too much of what we in California write so that we keep the rest of the country from moving here... because one thing that is true is that it is already too crowded. Santa Anna winds? You have got to be kidding. I will take a couple of days of dry 90 degree weather a year instead of what you all experienced for 5 miserable months. I grew up and lived in CT for 40 years. Moved to SoCal in '95. Never looking back. 300+ perfect days a year..the worst is a 50 degree overcast winter day. Real beaches 5 miles away. Mountains and skiing 90 minuts away. Hundreds of miles of bike paths you can ride on all year round. I do not care what the house costs or what the crazies in Sacramento do, we can be outside enjoying the sun almost every single day. Oh, and about those earthquakes, the San Andres fault is about to blow so best not to move here...
 
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