OT: Open and Tiger

[Dove]

It's Tigers fault, he took his hat off!

He should give it to Ed Cooley.

 

[mauconnfan]

A lot of the hate on him has to do with him cheating on his wife with a succession of slease bags. The rest of it has to do with the disgust people feel when they try to read about what is going on in a golf tournament and have to go through at least 6 column inches (and sometimes to the next page) before they find out who the actual leader is, because they have to explain why Tiger is in 35 place first. I understand that it is the medias' fault, but it is projected onto him. He deserves no Mulligans based on his off course behavior. I was really glad to see Lefty win today although I would have been happy if Westwood held on.

Reading about Tiger in columns and seeing too much of him on TV is not his fault it's the media. Cheating on his wife with multiple "sleaze" bags is his fault no doubt, he can't take that back. The purses in golf are also his "fault" not Phil's, Rory's, Ernie's, Vijay's, Jack's, Arnie's or anyone else. They all had a hand in on it but golf is at the height it is now because of Tiger, it is that simple! Hate him all you want not as many people watching when he ain't playing or contending!

 

[AZHuskiePop]

I know Phil was not popular on tour with the veteran players 10-15 years ago. His galleries were large and obnoxious. He was full of himself.
I wasn't exactly a Phil fan myself until the press conference after a bad Rider Cup loss. Hunter Mayhan
lost a tough final match to lose the cup. The press was pushing a very heartbroken Hunter to tears. Phil understanding the situation jumped right in deflecting blame for the loss were it belonged on the team. I always though that act of empathy was a class move. I have respected him ever since. I Understand he is a lot more popular with younger players on tour. Maybe he matured and understood his status required him to set an example for the next generation.
My hope for Tiger is that he undergoes a simalar change as he ages.
I want to see him enjoy the game and really appreciate the gifts he was given and honed. If he left today he is one of the top two golfers of all time. Does one or two really matter.


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[hthusky74]

Reading about Tiger in columns and seeing too much of him on TV is not his fault it's the media. Cheating on his wife with multiple "sleaze" bags is his fault no doubt, he can't take that back. The purses in golf are also his "fault" not Phil's, Rory's, Ernie's, Vijay's, Jack's, Arnie's or anyone else. They all had a hand in on it but golf is at the height it is now because of Tiger, it is that simple! Hate him all you want not as many people watching when he ain't playing or contending!

Which really means Tiger has not increased interest in golf. Tiger, and the media, have increased interest in Tiger. You have effectively said it yourself. There are "not as many people watching when he ain't playing or contending". Perhaps they should just cancel the rest of a tournament if he misses a cut or falls too many strokes behind? He had, and I used the past tense intentionally, turned golf into a one horse race. Let's see how things go in the future. Golf is kind of like tennis. Most people don't follow it too closely because the media focuses on a handful of players. So there is a vicious cycle where the tendency of the media to hype their darling at the expense of the hundreds of other people in the sport, and ergo, the sport itself.

 

[Gurleyman]

Honestly, Tiger had that Masters in 1997 where he lapped the field and it looked like "holy crap, this guy is going to own golf for decades" and then he kinda sucked for the next three years, but interest was already up - he became a polarizing figure then. Was he really the future of golf? Or did he just catch lightning in a bottle once and was overhyped and overrated?

The worst thing for a sport is to be dominated by a non-polarizing figure, without at least a rivalry to keep it fun. Call it Ivan Lendl syndrome. Perhaps Roger Federer has caused some of the same problems before Nadal came along. Phil helped golf a lot once he won a major or two, so it wasn't just "Tiger" vs "field".

 

[mauconnfan]

Which really means Tiger has not increased interest in golf. Tiger, and the media, have increased interest in Tiger. You have effectively said it yourself. There are "not as many people watching when he ain't playing or contending". Perhaps they should just cancel the rest of a tournament if he misses a cut or falls too many strokes behind? He had, and I used the past tense intentionally, turned golf into a one horse race. Let's see how things go in the future. Golf is kind of like tennis. Most people don't follow it too closely because the media focuses on a handful of players. So there is a vicious cycle where the tendency of the media to hype their darling at the expense of the hundreds of other people in the sport, and ergo, the sport itself.

I watch them all and watch the Euro a lot also.......if you don't see his impact it's because you elect not to not because you don;t like what the media does. If you hate him fine, what he has done to increase purses and fans is beyond denial.....way beyond. Oh yeah suddenly guys actually look like athletes since seeing him play but that's just coincidence too!

 

[husky91]

The Open is awesome in general. Those pot bunkers are the best feature in all of golf. And the swirling winds changing constantly is great.

Tiger has always called it his favorite tournament and Phil today said it was the biggest win of his career. I think he recognizes how important it is to his legacy and the special fraternity he joins with it.

 

[Husky68]

Tiger is a lowlife. You don't do what he did without being a lowlife. Think the press didn't know he was banging skanks and a nasty attitude guy on the links? Seems like the prediction in the start of this thread came out pretty accurate. Within a couple strokes to start Sunday, fade with tie for 48th best round on final day.
Don't even suggest Tiger isn't promoting himself to get max attention, think he's getting new Nike deal 'cause he's a good role model?
How about showing some of Matsayama, young guy on way up, ends up +2 with a penalty stroke.
Here are list of major winners since Tiger's last - 2 Phil, Rose, Scott, 2 Mcllroy, Els, Simpson, Watson, Bradley, Clarke, Schwartzel, Kaymer, Oosthuizen, McDowell, Yong-Eun Yank, Cink, Glover, Cabrara, 2 Harrington. That's 18 guys - much more interesting to me, maybe not the ESPN talking heads.

 

[bear]

Tiger is a lowlife. You don't do what he did without being a lowlife. Think the press didn't know he was banging skanks and a nasty attitude guy on the links? Seems like the prediction in the start of this thread came out pretty accurate. Within a couple strokes to start Sunday, fade with tie for 48th best round on final day.
Don't even suggest Tiger isn't promoting himself to get max attention, think he's getting new Nike deal 'cause he's a good role model?
How about showing some of Matsayama, young guy on way up, ends up +2 with a penalty stroke.
Here are list of major winners since Tiger's last - 2 Phil, Rose, Scott, 2 Mcllroy, Els, Simpson, Watson, Bradley, Clarke, Schwartzel, Kaymer, Oosthuizen, McDowell, Yong-Eun Yank, Cink, Glover, Cabrara, 2 Harrington. That's 18 guys - much more interesting to me, maybe not the ESPN talking heads.

Might be more interesting to you but you're in the minority. Ratings triple when Tiger is in a tournament. The talking heads will talk about Tiger because he what the majority wants to hear about. It's part of the reason why he's the best golfer of all time. Nobody has done more for the sport than Tiger has.

 

[husky91]

I really thought Martin Kaymer could be the next star. He's like a young Els. But hasn't done much lately in majors.

Tiger is a lowlife. You don't do what he did without being a lowlife. Think the press didn't know he was banging skanks and a nasty attitude guy on the links? Seems like the prediction in the start of this thread came out pretty accurate. Within a couple strokes to start Sunday, fade with tie for 48th best round on final day.
Don't even suggest Tiger isn't promoting himself to get max attention, think he's getting new Nike deal 'cause he's a good role model?
How about showing some of Matsayama, young guy on way up, ends up +2 with a penalty stroke.
Here are list of major winners since Tiger's last - 2 Phil, Rose, Scott, 2 Mcllroy, Els, Simpson, Watson, Bradley, Clarke, Schwartzel, Kaymer, Oosthuizen, McDowell, Yong-Eun Yank, Cink, Glover, Cabrara, 2 Harrington. That's 18 guys - much more interesting to me, maybe not the ESPN talking heads.

 

[hthusky74]

Might be more interesting to you but you're in the minority. Ratings triple when Tiger is in a tournament. The talking heads will talk about Tiger because he what the majority wants to hear about. It's part of the reason why he's the best golfer of all time. Nobody has done more for the sport than Tiger has.

He may be a great golfer, but as a man, he is a loser. How sad a sport will look to someone like him to promote as it's face.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Tiger is a lowlife. You don't do what he did without being a lowlife. Think the press didn't know he was banging skanks and a nasty attitude guy on the links?.

The only difference between Tiger Woods and a HUGE number of pro athletes, including a lot who have reps as "great guys," is that Tiger got caught. That's it and that's all.

 

[Gurleyman]

Also, frankly, an in an individual sport who gets in trouble is sort of a "big deal" because you aren't letting your teammates or franchise down. Only Nike. It's a little bit of a different dynamic.

 

[RS9999X]

Phil is 6 years older than Tiger. Most of the guys in the top 15 were Tigers age or older. Tiger will win another major or two the way Phil did. Hang around with 3 decent rounds and put in one great round.

 

[mauconnfan]

He may be a great golfer, but as a man, he is a loser. How sad a sport will look to someone like him to promote as it's face.

Crack has it right.....there's thousands of athlete's who are no different than Tiger, and professional business people too. Good news is for them the media does not follow them around and no one cares about them. Does it make it right...no! Does it make him a loser, by the haters yes!!

If a loser is predicated all on the fact he was unfaithful then you are so correct....if there's more to life than making those mistakes as a young man then you may be the loser! Who knows?

The funny thing is while these people won't admit it, they hated Tiger well before the "skunk" stories came out and now they have something to rest their laurels on....pitiful!

 

[Duncan Idaho]

Tiger is a lowlife. You don't do what he did without being a lowlife. Think the press didn't know he was banging skanks and a nasty attitude guy on the links? Seems like the prediction in the start of this thread came out pretty accurate. Within a couple strokes to start Sunday, fade with tie for 48th best round on final day.
Don't even suggest Tiger isn't promoting himself to get max attention, think he's getting new Nike deal 'cause he's a good role model?
How about showing some of Matsayama, young guy on way up, ends up +2 with a penalty stroke.
Here are list of major winners since Tiger's last - 2 Phil, Rose, Scott, 2 Mcllroy, Els, Simpson, Watson, Bradley, Clarke, Schwartzel, Kaymer, Oosthuizen, McDowell, Yong-Eun Yank, Cink, Glover, Cabrara, 2 Harrington. That's 18 guys - much more interesting to me, maybe not the ESPN talking heads.

What made it interesting and compelling is that Woods finished in the top 6, 9 of those times. Its his pursuit of Jack's record that makes it so, whether he accomplishes it or not.

 

[mauconnfan]

Tiger is a lowlife. You don't do what he did without being a lowlife. Think the press didn't know he was banging skanks and a nasty attitude guy on the links? Seems like the prediction in the start of this thread came out pretty accurate. Within a couple strokes to start Sunday, fade with tie for 48th best round on final day.
Don't even suggest Tiger isn't promoting himself to get max attention, think he's getting new Nike deal 'cause he's a good role model?
How about showing some of Matsayama, young guy on way up, ends up +2 with a penalty stroke.
Here are list of major winners since Tiger's last - 2 Phil, Rose, Scott, 2 Mcllroy, Els, Simpson, Watson, Bradley, Clarke, Schwartzel, Kaymer, Oosthuizen, McDowell, Yong-Eun Yank, Cink, Glover, Cabrara, 2 Harrington. That's 18 guys - much more interesting to me, maybe not the ESPN talking heads.

Just curious can you list the others who have won 3 events this year? And in much better fields and less attempts?

All you did there was list the reason's why it so hard to win majors now because there are so many good players..........I could see people giving Rory crap, hell he doesn't even make cuts now but Tiger, he tied for 4th and was in until the back 9 yesterday...........many guys faded from a round of a lifetime by Phil...........Tiger promoting himself is a joke too - yeah you see him so much on TV talking about NIKE and playing in so many tourney's promoting himself.......you hate the guy no issues, but don't make stupid excuses for hating him. You hated him before he cheated I promise!!

 

[Chin Diesel]

That's so true Chin, funny . His hair is awful, all that money and no one telling you to keep your hat on? Shave the fuzz man...........

Then again he could be a red Sox fan and look at Napoli, Gomes, Pedroia and think "look at how ugly they are shaving their heads with beards!!" That would scare anyone!!

A couple of those Sox players (Napoli and Gomes) had Dave Kingman approved bombs last night. Gomes' shot was halfway up the lighting mast.

 

[storrsroars]

The only difference between Tiger Woods and a HUGE number of pro athletes, including a lot who have reps as "great guys," is that Tiger got caught. That's it and that's all.

And you know this how?

I imagine you truly believe "Winning takes care of everything." How sad.

 

[Pmurph678]

And you know this how?

I imagine you truly believe "Winning takes care of everything." How sad.

What's the difference between Tiger and JFK?

 

[storrsroars]

What's the difference between Tiger and JFK?

Tiger wasn't directed by Oliver Stone.

 

[hthusky74]

What's the difference between Tiger and JFK?

Let's expand that. What's the difference between Tiger and most of the Kennedys? Nothing. They are all a bunch of slimebags.

 

[hthusky74]

What made it interesting and compelling is that Woods finished in the top 6, 9 of those times. Its his pursuit of Jack's record that makes it so, whether he accomplishes it or not.

No one is disputing Tiger's past incredible performances and current great performances. The issue is he gets an inordinate amount of publicity at the expense of people who are actually leading/winning a tournament. In my paper this morning I had to go less than 2 column inches before they started talking about Tiger who finished in 8th place. My God they started writing about him before they even mentioned Westwood. You can slice it and dice it any way you want, but that is poor journalism and really is unconscionable. It isn't Tiger's fault, it is the medias' fault, however, that is why many people are sick and tired of reading about him. The slutting around on his wife and children is his fault and he deserves to be raked over the coals for that. I mean, who knows? Maybe Elin is a miserable byatch and that is why he strays. However, if my wife looked like her, I would retire now and stay home! I think he has a psychological problem personally. At the very least an oversized ego, at worse a sexual deviancy problem.

 

[hthusky74]

Crack has it right.....there's thousands of athlete's who are no different than Tiger, and professional business people too. Good news is for them the media does not follow them around and no one cares about them. Does it make it right...no! Does it make him a loser, by the haters yes!!

If a loser is predicated all on the fact he was unfaithful then you are so correct....if there's more to life than making those mistakes as a young man then you may be the loser! Who knows?

The funny thing is while these people won't admit it, they hated Tiger well before the "skunk" stories came out and now they have something to rest their laurels on....pitiful!

I would consider a 37 year old man with a wife and children and the experiences he has had to not be a young man. He is not a loser by the haters, he is a loser period in the game of life. If there is a "pearly gates", do you think St. Peter is going to look at his golf scorecard or the list of adulteress affairs he had?

 

[Chin Diesel]

Let's expand that. What's the difference between Tiger and most of the Kennedys? Nothing. They are all a bunch of slimebags.

A: Chapaquiddick vice a 5-iron.