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OT: Notre Dame declines bowl bid

NHUConnfan said:
They literally do not meet the definition of an independent contractor lol...you cannot tell them where to be at what time to do a job.

Student athletes should be employees, but they are not. And the reason they are not is that once they become them, they break the entire economics of college athletics.

So do you want to continue to watch CFB? Then you best hope nothing changes where they are in this nebulous definition of student athlete who is "definitely not" an employee for legal purposes.
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First, your first sentence isn't strictly accurate.

Second, you can do all the legal or logistical backflips you want, I don't care if they don't fall into the technical definition of anything. You are talking about what the IRS considers an independent contractor vs employee. Who cares. The economics of it are they are getting paid to play. You can't deny that but if you insist, go right ahead. I'm not interested.
 
Alum86 said:
Irish got hosed, pure and simple. Arguably playing the best football now. The Committee saved face by putting the “U”Convicts in and having at least one ACC team in the 12. But putting Bama in over ND? NFW. Bama is not a CFP team.
Travesty.
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No one got hosed. Each of the last 4-5 teams trying to get in had serious warts.

This wasn't a situation of five worthy teams fighting for three spots. This was five unworthy teams and three had to get picked.
 
businesslawyer said:
I really hate to interject another fact into what appears to be a day of bulletin board craziness, but Notre Dame declined bowl games as a school policy for a prolonged period of time that I think ended somewhere around 1968-1970. And both college football and the bowl system survived without it.
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See the article I linked in post 64

I don’t think the exec’s comment was about ND, per se, but about teams and players simply refusing to play games when they feel like it.
 
Don’t feel TOO bad for ND, they will still have more advantages than almost any program out there and still not able to win a national championship going on almost 40 years. Found this nugget today as college football doesn’t bend to a conference but to one program:

 
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Chin Diesel said:
No one got hosed. Each of the last 4-5 teams trying to get in had serious warts.

This wasn't a situation of five worthy teams fighting for three spots. This was five unworthy teams and three had to get picked.
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As someone who didn’t care whether Bama, Miami or ND got left out, you could make a reasonable case for any of the three to have drawn the short stick. But ND had very similar metrics to Miami and lost head to head. The process of being ahead of them in prior weeks and now behind them is screwy, no doubt, but the result was not unreasonable. Bama had better wins, and better computer metrics, than either of them. If you want to say Bama had been behind the other two in the eye test the last month I fully agree, but I personally favor more objective measures than eye tests.
 
businesslawyer said:
I really hate to interject another fact into what appears to be a day of bulletin board craziness, but Notre Dame declined bowl games as a school policy for a prolonged period of time that I think ended somewhere around 1968-1970. And both college football and the bowl system survived without it.
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But they also declined bowls more recently. In 1996, they were 8-3 and declined a bowl and then again in 2009 when they finished 6-6 (and lost to UConn)…

And like you said, the bowl system still survived.
 
Chin Diesel said:
No one got hosed. Each of the last 4-5 teams trying to get in had serious warts.

This wasn't a situation of five worthy teams fighting for three spots. This was five unworthy teams and three had to get picked.
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No one outside the top 5 is a serious contender. Never were under the old system, aren't now. 6-10 might win a quarterfinal, or make a semifinal, none are winning 3 top 10 games in a row, especially when those game aren't using the gimmick auto-byes from last season.

Anyone really think Bama is beating OU, IU then the UGa/OSU winner? And that is the most likely week 1 team to do it.

There simply aren't 10 title contenders, doesn't matter the name on the jersey, never has been. This is all for TV product quantity. ND, Bama, Miami, BYU these are place holders of varying TV interest. Has no bearing on ultimate champ.
 
BugsyCT said:
Oh, snap.

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I call partial BS on the "they thought the season was over two weeks ago" comment. At a minimum FSU, Auburn and Rutgers didn't lose their seventh games until last weekend.

If they've "scattered", I hope they make it back to campus for finals.
 
Chin Diesel said:
No one got hosed. Each of the last 4-5 teams trying to get in had serious warts.

This wasn't a situation of five worthy teams fighting for three spots. This was five unworthy teams and three had to get picked.
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You are wrong. ND got hosed, passed over by a really suspect Alabama. And they did it, as others have stated, to appease the SEC.
 
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BugsyCT said:
They got invited to the Pop-Tarts Bowl vs. BYU in Orlando and declined.

What a bunch of arrogant, entitled, whiny spoiled babies. Let them sit home then.
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Because they don’t want to benefit the people that just screwed them over ?
 
Marbles90 said:
But they also declined bowls more recently. In 1996, they were 8-3 and declined a bowl and then again in 2009 when they finished 6-6 (and lost to UConn)…

And like you said, the bowl system still survived.
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Do I really need to explain the differences between now and 1996?
 
How Sway?! said:
They screwed themselves over by losing to the two playoff level teams they faced
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Fair comment to say they needed to win one of those games (holding on 4th and 10 against a and m notwithstanding), but you have to be able to see the powers that be protected bama and their precious conference championship games and the credibility of the actual games themselves and ND.
 
EROCK CONN said:
Because they don’t want to benefit the people that just screwed them over ?
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ND is not benefiting themselves they are only making it worse for their players and fans. And players may have agreed to this but they are not helping themselves this does not prepare you well for the NFL. Sure you will have guys drafted who do well in the nfl but that's not the majority.

You go to the bowl you dominate and you come back next year with a chip on your shoulder better then ever and you run the table, 2001 Miami did this they felt they got screwed in 2000 they still played the bowl and we see what happened in 2001 and yes I get it was back in the BCS era.
 
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SubbaBub said:
No one outside the top 5 is a serious contender. Never were under the old system, aren't now. 6-10 might win a quarterfinal, or make a semifinal, none are winning 3 top 10 games in a row, especially when those game aren't using the gimmick auto-byes from last season.

Anyone really think Bama is beating OU, IU then the UGa/OSU winner? And that is the most likely week 1 team to do it.

There simply aren't 10 title contenders, doesn't matter the name on the jersey, never has been. This is all for TV product quantity. ND, Bama, Miami, BYU these are place holders of varying TV interest. Has no bearing on ultimate champ.
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I tend to agree. I could see an 8 seed get hot and, in a bracket tournament, have cards break right.

I don't know ow or care if CCP is a lure bracket or if they re-seed.

A bracketed tourney has way higher possibility of a 6-10 winning, but I readily admit it's low probability.
 
Alum86 said:
You are wrong. ND got hosed, passed over by a really suspect Alabama. And they did it, as others have stated, to appease the SEC.
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Nope I'm right because I said none of them were worthy.

They had to pick some unworthy teams and ND happened to be one of them and they got passed over.
 
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EROCK CONN said:
Fair comment to say they needed to win one of those games (holding on 4th and 10 against a and m notwithstanding), but you have to be able to see the powers that be protected bama and their precious conference championship games and the credibility of the actual games themselves and ND.
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No conspiracy necessary. Yes, Notre Dame had “good” losses, but anyone could have lost those two games. Who did Notre Dame beat? USC? Who next? Bama had an additional loss, but much better best wins. Which is why it’s computer metrics were much higher.
 
This is ESPN money they flushed down the drain. Cobgrats for giving us a sweetheart deal with the ACC and seeeeyaaa!!!
 
coachRD said:
typical. They always take-take-take given their unique situation. I get it makes sense to maximize your position, but at some point I think it can cross over into being immoral. They were fiven a high profile home for a LONG time in the Big East for EVERY sport besides football, and that’s when it was a HUGE boost to the second biggest moneymaker in college-mens basketball. They took ALL of those benefits and “rewarded” UConn with ONE football game in exchange for ALL they gained from UConn. For me, it is ALWAYS “F ND.” Always.
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The are parasites. They sucked the life blood out of the BE and are doing the same to the ACC, who cowtowed to them instead of putting them in their place.
 
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