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Tommyboy said:
JVG is funny LBJ sticks his arm into AI earlier and it's a good foul but Steph gets it and terrible call.
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I thought the LBJ call should have been an offensive foul - he elbowed the defender.
 
Gurleyman said:
This one was pretty egregious. He took four steps, then lifted his pivot foot on the fadeaway. The foul was spectacularly egregious too. Without the travel first, that would have been one of the worst no calls ever.
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I rewatched totally right. That was a horrendous travel and walk.
 
I can't believe that the people cheering for GSW are arguing that the travel before the arm foul was somehow not like the 4 step drives and moving pivots we see in the NBA every game. That's really bizarre too.

And another thing they have to get rid of - "late" whistles. Don't let the ref base the foul call on whether the ball goes in. A foul should be a foul.
 
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Curry should get his trophy taken away after that performance, brought back John Starks nightmares. Credit to the Cavs, really strange game.
 
I didn't really think the officiating helped either team - I thought several calls went against GS early, and several went against the Cavs late. But wow, it's tough to watch when the fouls seem so arbitrary and inconsistent. Must be maddening for fans of either team.
The NBA has several features I don't like - moving screens are awful, and constant, for example. Way too much contact allowed on ball handlers. But, sometimes, you brush a guy and it's a foul. Just seems wildly inconsistent.
 
superjohn said:
Curry should get his trophy taken away after that performance, brought back John Starks nightmares. Credit to the Cavs, really strange game.
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What do you think is up with him? Yips? Nagging D? Just a bad night? Hard to know. Many of his shots were contested, but that usually doesn't bother him, and he missed a few open ones.
 
Starks was Game 7, so I'll give Curry a pass.

The Cavs played absolutely perfect defense for 45 minutes. To win this series, they are going to need to play defense like that again, and again, and again. And even playing great defense, I highly doubt Curry will be as bad as he was last night.

But if they can play that defense, they have a shot. I don't think they're deep enough, so I'm not adjusting my predictions. But it was impressive what they did.
 
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TasteofUConn said:
What do you think is up with him? Yips? Nagging D? Just a bad night? Hard to know. Many of his shots were contested, but that usually doesn't bother him, and he missed a few open ones.
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He shot 50% from the field in Game 1, but he's been off from range. Probably some combination of the second and third thing you said.

I'd bet Kerr has a better offensive scheme for Tuesday; Klay played well, but then they just let the offense revolve around him heat-checking.

Credit the Cavs for this; they seem to be forcing the Warriors into more 1-on-1.
 
johnhuskies95 said:
Just a horrible performance by Curry all around. No other way to put it.

But a great all-hands-on-deck win by the Cavs. Really fun to watch.
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Even the great ones can have a horrendous game but on the big stage that should not happen with the MVP. I get that as a shooter sometimes you just don't have it but sometimes he is just too loose with the ball, some of his decisions and nonchalant play is inexcusable. Just one game but my god was it a bad one.
 
Ryan Boatright should be watching as much game tape of Matthew Dellavedova as possible on defense. That's the way he has to play if he wants to stick in the league.
 
tzznandrew said:
I highly doubt Curry will be as bad as he was last night.
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It seems impossible that he would repeat.
On the other hand, I think JR is capable of putting his head up his ass for 4 or 5 plays each game for the rest of the series.
 
champs99and04 said:
Ryan Boatright should be watching as much game tape of Matthew Dellavedova as possible on defense. That's the way he has to play if he wants to stick in the league.
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MD had a play where he played tenacious D on Curry from Curry's favorite spot, causing the shot to be 1' short, got the rebound in traffic going out of bounds, and dished to a teammate inbounds. The announcers didn't give that play enough credit - it was huge. Reminded me of Giff defending Randal and Young and getting the board on two possessions in crunch time. Damn, I miss Giff.
 
TasteofUConn said:
It seems impossible that he would repeat.
On the other hand, I think JR is capable of putting his head up his ass for 4 or 5 plays each game for the rest of the series.
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JR Smith made JR Smith plays. It wasn't like he was bad on offense, and he wasn't particularly bad on defense either. He scored around his average, shot about his average, made great rotations to keep that defense humming, and did the stupid sh¡t he always does. He is what he is.
 
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tzznandrew said:
He shot 50% from the field in Game 1, but he's been off from range. Probably some combination of the second and third thing you said.

I'd bet Kerr has a better offensive scheme for Tuesday; Klay played well, but then they just let the offense revolve around him heat-checking.
Credit the Cavs for this; they seem to be forcing the Warriors into more 1-on-1.
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Klay was the only guy who showed up, now we have a series and the Warriors are obviously going to need Curry and Draymond to step up their games. Lebron was Lebron and the rest of the team just plays really gritty. Did Mosgov get traded at halftime?
 
superjohn said:
Klay was the only guy who showed up, now we have a series and the Warriors are obviously going to need Curry and Draymond to step up their games. Lebron was Lebron and the rest of the team just plays really gritty. Did Mosgov get traded at halftime?
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No idea why they went away from him. To be fair, it didn't really hurt them, but he was making great decisions while he was in.
 
What about Thompson? Guy was on fire all first half and to start the 2nd. 4th quarter, they didn't seem to be looking for him. He was killing it.
 
Gurleyman said:
He walked all over the place first. So it's a wash.
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How on earth could they miss that travel and then they miss Lebron getting raked across the arm. Glad they didn't call the foul because he took 5 steps and their was 1 second on the shot clock. The refs were really bad.
 
If Cleveland makes this lets say a 6 game series in a losing effort and Lebron is putting up monster performances every game, should Lebron win finals MVP. As great a player as Curry is he does get the benefit of getting some rest on the bench Lebron doesn't have that luxury.
 
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Fishy said:
LeBron - +/- 0
Tristan Thomson - +/- -21
James Jones - +/- +22
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You know, they played great with James Jones out there - he hit a couple of shots, he's a tenacious defender, and the match ups just seemed better.
But Blatt doesn't seem to be a "play the hot hand" type of coach.
In the last game, Shumpert was playing great and Blatt sat him a lot late in the game.
 
Scoe said:
If Cleveland makes this lets say a 6 game series in a losing effort . . . should Lebron win finals MVP [?]
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If Cleveland wins another game, they should give LeBron the Series MVP and they should give him Curry's MVP.
The guy is an alien. Fishy is right. He's playing with a very good, but limited Thompson and THREE scrubs now. It's incredible that he willed them to the win tonight. Best I've ever seen.
 
TasteofUConn said:
What do you think is up with him? Yips? Nagging D? Just a bad night? Hard to know. Many of his shots were contested, but that usually doesn't bother him, and he missed a few open ones.
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Good defense but he just seems off. His head didn't even seem into this one from the start, weird decision making from him also. Part of it must be nerves being on the big stage for the first time.
 
Chef isn't shooting 21% again. He had a good amount of decent looks - he converts those in the next few games Cavs will be down 3-1 or lose 4-1. It also takes pressure off the rest of the Warriors when he's shooting well.
 
superjohn said:
Good defense but he just seems off. His head didn't even seem into this one from the start, weird decision making from him also. Part of it must be nerves being on the big stage for the first time.
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Interesting. I haven't watched him enough to see whether he's out of any patterns - you know, shooting differently, footwork different, and so on. Generally you can look at the form of a guy shooting, if you've seen him, and know whether he's taking a good shot for him. Of course, with him and Thompson it doesn't seem to matter - they are unreal. Thompson kept them in the game hitting big shot after big shot. Guy is a stud.

This is what LeBron so amazing. Can you imagine if you swapped Thompson (or Curry) for any guy on the Cavs other than LeBron? The Cavs would have won by 30.
 
LeBron basically is the Cleveland offense. It's actually one of the most amazing things I've seen - they don't have so much as a reliable standstill shooter, much less a pick and pop partner of the Chris Bosh mold. They are just about literally isolating him every time and allowing him to play cat and mouse with the Golden State help defense. I'm with the others regarding Mozgov - at the very least, it was baffling that Blatt wouldn't play offense/defense with him and Thompson down the stretch. Mozgov is at least capable of drawing defenders on his dives to the rim.

This does seem reminiscent of the San Antonio-Miami series from last season. A thin Cleveland team just dumped their full supply of adrenaline into that one game, and now they must summon the energy to duplicate it again in 45 hours across the country, against a team that is deeper and better than they are.
 
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