OT: Michigan basketball coaching search is speeding up

[huskymedic]

Oh god I hate this hire. Michigan wasn’t really in a place where they needed to take a risk like this. Can’t help but wonder what happened with Beilein? Any theories out there?

Where does college transfer rule go from here? Notre Dame's Mike Brey tries to light the way

Where does college transfer trend go from here? Notre Dame's Mike Brey, as president of NABC, tries to help light the way

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>>Notre Dame basketball coach Mike Brey wasn’t all that surprised to see Michigan counterpart John Beilein leave the troubled college game for the NBA’s Cleveland Cavaliers.

The two coaching lifers ran into each other on the recruiting trail recently, and Brey could sense the frustration in the 66-year-old Beilein. “He’s a little tired of the scene,” Brey said. “He’s got a guy in the draft (sophomore guard Jordan Poole) and an agent grabbed him. The world we’re in now, managing our rosters, I think he was getting tired of it.”<<

 

[Devland]

Oh god I hate this hire. Michigan wasn’t really in a place where they needed to take a risk like this. Can’t help but wonder what happened with Beilein? Any theories out there?

NBA job>NCAA Job

 

[UofCT]

Okay, a 100+ year rivalry stays isolated to one Saturday a year.

Pretty much

 

[gtcam]

So Michigan came down to either promoting an assistant (like Kevin Ollie) or hiring a former player with no head coaching experience (like Kevin Ollie). Rock and Roll, Warde!

JC and only JC hired KO and named him HC
Warde and Susan sat with their thumbs up where the sun don't shine

 

[UConnNick]

JC and only JC hired KO and named him HC
Warde and Susan sat with their thumbs up where the sun don't shine

That's true, but they could have acted like adults and conducted a search. Calhoun orchestrated it knowing there was no time for that, so he painted them into a corner.

We got a national championship out of it, so it's hard to complain about anything Calhoun, Manuel or Herbst did or didn't do at the time. It's actually terrifying now in retrospect to think about who Warde and Suzy might have hired given the opportunity, judging by Manuel's abysmal hiring track record since (i.e. Bobby Fiasco as Exhibit "A"). Suffice it to say I seriously doubt we'd be sitting here today with a fourth national title. How was Calhoun supposed to know at that time that Ollie would turn into cream pie just because of a divorce? He would have needed a crystal ball to predict Ollie would go on a complete mental tailspin.

 

[Robertelamin]

JC and only JC hired KO and named him HC
Warde and Susan sat with their thumbs up where the sun don't shine

I don’t disagree at all but Warde should have learned his lesson.

 

[boog204]

Oh god I hate this hire. Michigan wasn’t really in a place where they needed to take a risk like this. Can’t help but wonder what happened with Beilein? Any theories out there?

He realized college basketball is broken...

 

[freescooter]

He realized college basketball is broken...

Badly broken. It needs pretty radical surgery not the minimal fixes they are talking about. My top 5 are:
1. End 1-done. Once a guy signs his scholarship is considered taken until his class graduates
2. Make transferring more difficult not less. No waivers ever. You can transfer anywhere any time. You sit for a year. No it’s ands or buts.
3. End grad transfers. You graduated from college. You have no debt. You are better off than 90% of your peers. Now get a job and move on with your life.
4. End the shoe deals. If you played for a shoe company funded aau team you sit for 6 months. No practice, no sitting on the bench, you go to the games you sit in the student section if you can get a ticket.
5. End the endless NCAA appeal process. You don’t get a trial. You don’t get an investigation. You don’t get a team of lawyers. They call the AD and say you violated rule 10 so you lose a scholarship next year. And you lose a scholarship next year. If you refuse to speak to the NCAA you get suspended and it is presumed you are guilty. If you lie you get suspended for the season. This ain’t the federal court system. You are not entitled to due process. It is a wholly voluntary association of academic institutions.

I said it needs radical change. Those would be a start.

 

[UofCT]

Badly broken. It needs pretty radical surgery not the minimal fixes they are talking about. My top 5 are:
1. End 1-done. Once a guy signs his scholarship is considered taken until his class graduates
2. Make transferring more difficult not less. No waivers ever. You can transfer anywhere any time. You sit for a year. No it’s ands or buts.
3. End grad transfers. You graduated from college. You have no debt. You are better off than 90% of your peers. Now get a job and move on with your life.
4. End the shoe deals. If you played for a shoe company funded aau team you sit for 6 months. No practice, no sitting on the bench, you go to the games you sit in the student section if you can get a ticket.
5. End the endless NCAA appeal process. You don’t get a trial. You don’t get an investigation. You don’t get a team of lawyers. They call the AD and say you violated rule 10 so you lose a scholarship next year. And you lose a scholarship next year. If you refuse to speak to the NCAA you get suspended and it is presumed you are guilty. If you lie you get suspended for the season. This ain’t the federal court system. You are not entitled to due process. It is a wholly voluntary association of academic institutions.

I said it needs radical change. Those would be a start.

I agree with #2, #3, and #5.

 

[Dooley]

Howard will do just fine once Michigan starts filling his palms with sacks of cash to recruit. Just like Penny, this hire smells like a school wanting a "NBA face" to be able to convince recruits to take their money. And nobody has more money than Michigan.

 

[pj]

Badly broken. It needs pretty radical surgery not the minimal fixes they are talking about. My top 5 are:
1. End 1-done. Once a guy signs his scholarship is considered taken until his class graduates
2. Make transferring more difficult not less. No waivers ever. You can transfer anywhere any time. You sit for a year. No it’s ands or buts.
3. End grad transfers. You graduated from college. You have no debt. You are better off than 90% of your peers. Now get a job and move on with your life.
4. End the shoe deals. If you played for a shoe company funded aau team you sit for 6 months. No practice, no sitting on the bench, you go to the games you sit in the student section if you can get a ticket.
5. End the endless NCAA appeal process. You don’t get a trial. You don’t get an investigation. You don’t get a team of lawyers. They call the AD and say you violated rule 10 so you lose a scholarship next year. And you lose a scholarship next year. If you refuse to speak to the NCAA you get suspended and it is presumed you are guilty. If you lie you get suspended for the season. This ain’t the federal court system. You are not entitled to due process. It is a wholly voluntary association of academic institutions.

I said it needs radical change. Those would be a start.

#1 I like this if you increase the number of scholarships to 15-16.
#2 Consistency is better than arbitrariness. Not sure there's a major problem here however.
#3 amounts to saying grad students can't play college sports. That seems unnecessarily tough.
#4 -- why? The AAU system gives guys a lot of playing experience and exposure.
#5 -- I don't understand why appeals are wrong. The bigger problem is that the NCAA is corrupt and ignores bad behavior at powerful schools while indulging in petty vindictiveness against the weak and powerless.

 

[freescooter]

1. That doesn’t fix the problem. The idea is to force coaches to decide if a guy is good enough to waste a 4 year scholarship for only a year of play. Imagine if Duke had to go into the next 3 years with only 10 scholarship players.
2. It is turning into free agency out there. This would stop it
3 so what. And not true. They can still play at their original school if the school wants them to. And by the time you are a grad student if you aren’t good enough to go pro it’s time to get on with life.
4. The AAU system is a major source of corruption. The NCAA is trying to get these work arounds but the real answer is to make that system less valuable
5. We need bright lines and Swift sure penalties for violation. No law firms specializing in the NCAA rule book. No nonsense like UNC got away with.

 

[the Q]

How are determining if there’s a violation if there’s no investigation?

That’s a terrible idea for any type of accusation.

 

[freescooter]

Q
As l said in my first post. This isn’t federal court. Nobody is going to jail and membership is totally and completely voluntary. If UNC doesn’t want to comply with the rules on student athletes nobody is forcing it too. Just leave the NCAA and play a bunch of semi-pro teams or join the NAIA or drop sports altogether. There is also no requirement that a college sponsor athletic programs, maybe a bunch of schools want there own rules and to play judge Judy every time there is a violation.

 

[the Q]

Q
As l said in my first post. This isn’t federal court. Nobody is going to jail and membership is totally and completely voluntary. If UNC doesn’t want to comply with the rules on student athletes nobody is forcing it too. Just leave the NCAA and play a bunch of semi-pro teams or join the NAIA or drop sports altogether. There is also no requirement that a college sponsor athletic programs, maybe a bunch of schools want there own rules and to play judge Judy every time there is a violation.

Yeah but how are you verifying the veracity of any potential violations if you aren’t investigating it?

I agree the clown car investigations by say, the nfl and mlb, are not good. But you can’t just take every story at face value.