OT: Miami

[traitor71]

Well isn't that why the NCAA paid his attorney to get other people under oath? And didn't Shapiro's attorney get other people under oath? And hasn't Miami only skated because of process and not substance? And isn't that program kind of the faunt of all sports evil, between the whole paying players and giving out banned substances thing? What am I missing here? Please, help me...what am I missing here?

You're missing evidence. If it exists, then it should come out and there should be punishment. What if there isn't any? Why are some people quick to believe everything in that story, but not quick to believe the part where Shapiro himslef says he didn't pay guys because "he couldn't afford to compete with the SEC"? In my opinion, this "investigation" shouldn't have taken this long if they had real, tangible evidence and it certainly shouldn't have required the NCAA going to the lengths that it has gone to in an effort to come up with something. And they haven't skated at all, they have sat out two bowl games, suffered recruiting wise and had to put up with being in limbo for two years now. I'm sorry (well, really I'm not) but no program should have to suffer through this sort of ridiculous investigation on the say so of a convicted con man. The NCAA should either produce evidence and levy punishment or give it up and move on. Then they should get out of the "enforcement" business because they are clearly not cut out for it.

I get it, people here hold a special bitterness towards Miami, they think Miami was out to "get Connecticut" or some other nonsense because they had the foresight to dump this bum conference. And that's fine, but don't let it cloud your judgement in the absence of facts that haven't been presented yet. Let them come out, or not come out as the case may be before we call for the nuclear option.

That's jusy my 75 cents anyway.

 

[TRest]

The lack of evidence is the same problem in every NCAA investigation: no subpoena power. It can only build a case if people are willing to talk. Getting deposition transcripts by paying Shapiro's bankruptcy attorney to depose people was one way around that. Assuming people gave damning evidence under oath, now it's worthless because the NCAA paid for it. That doesn't mean the infractions never happened.

 

[traitor71]

I'm all for subpeona power, I'm also all for "sources" being able to be cross examined and having to meet some sort of standard of credibility. My big problem is that this organization has run amok, really for years now with their rules and hypocritical stance on student athletes. I'm skeptical of everything that comes from the NCAA and I certainly don't believe they have the best interests of the student athlete at heart. Basically I want to see them fail at every turn now.

 

[traitor71]

This investigation is more crooked than the infractions that have been alleged by the bought and paid for con man.

 

[upstater]

Well isn't that why the NCAA paid his attorney to get other people under oath? And didn't Shapiro's attorney get other people under oath? And hasn't Miami only skated because of process and not substance? And isn't that program kind of the faunt of all sports evil, between the whole paying players and giving out banned substances thing? What am I missing here? Please, help me...what am I missing here?

The NCAA doesn't need proof. That much is evident. Nor does it need ethical investigations. Nor does it have to accept what would be considered a smoking-gun piece of evidence (see UNC) if it doesn't feel like it.

The NCAA can do what it wants. Since Paul Dee probably knows where a few bodies are buried in that org, the NCAA probably isn't going to touch Miami.

 

[upstater]

This investigation is more crooked than the infractions that have been alleged by the bought and paid for con man.

Eh, now that's going far far overboard.

 

[traitor71]

Eh, now that's going far far overboard.

The hell it isn't. They paid Shapiro's attorney, put money in his prison commisary, and had an investigator using a disposable cell phone to communicate with him. This same investigator is named in the suit brought on by the guy named in the USC case. It's like something the mafia would do, or the federal government, both notoriously crooked organizations if you ask me.

 

[upstater]

The hell it isn't. They paid Shapiro's attorney, put money in his prison commisary, and had an investigator using a disposable cell phone to communicate with him. This same investigator is named in the suit brought on by the guy named in the USC case. It's like something the mafia would do, or the federal government, both notoriously crooked organizations if you ask me.

Wow, now that is really overboard, shriller with every post.

 

[traitor71]

Wow, now that is really overboard, shriller with every post.

I assume you feel that is good investigative technique and not yet another example of an organization that is way out of line in the way they do things.

 

[Fishy]

Here's a thought - concentrate your efforts of getting your university to stop cheating.

You will see much, much less of the NCAA if you're successful.

 

[Perspective]

Here's a thought - concentrate your efforts of getting your university to stop cheating. You will see much, much less of the NCAA if you're successful.

Are you talking to us or them?