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Brilliant move if it turns out to be true. you don't land the #1 player in the class and not have some way to figure it out. Bradley is a Pharmacy major and IIRC, that's a 6 year program. were he to give up his scholly this year (he red shirted last year), he's still have 4 years eligibility left and UCONN could pay his way for the remaining 4 years...
 
ericsandiego said:
Brilliant move if it turns out to be true. you don't land the #1 player in the class and not have some way to figure it out. Bradley is a Pharmacy major and IIRC, that's a 6 year program. were he to give up his scholly this year (he red shirted last year), he's still have 4 years eligibility left and UCONN could pay his way for the remaining 4 years...
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Especially if Bradley is eligible for a financial need scholarship.
 
Wonkster said:
This kind of move happens, even in women's college basketball. Tsk, tsk!

Get over it!
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Simply because it happens does not mean it has to be accepted or that it cannot be subjectively objectionable. Jim Calhoun and the UConn administration lost some of my respect.

To piggy-back on my fellow Chicagoan's point, if Geno were to act in similar way, would our respect for him diminish? For me, a definite yes.
 
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ericsandiego said:
Brilliant move if it turns out to be true. you don't land the #1 player in the class and not have some way to figure it out. Bradley is a Pharmacy major and IIRC, that's a 6 year program. were he to give up his scholly this year (he red shirted last year), he's still have 4 years eligibility left and UCONN could pay his way for the remaining 4 years...
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Eric, are you suggesting that Bradley would actually benefit more from being on financial aid than on scholarship this year? If that is true, then it change my view of the situation.
 
caravaggio said:
Eric, are you suggesting that Bradley would actually benefit more from being on financial aid than on scholarship this year? If that is true, then it change my view of the situation.
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If he has a scholarship for either of his last 2 years of the 6, it's to his benefit as those years are more expensive in the pharmacy program.
 
caravaggio said:
Simply because it happens does not mean it has to be accepted or that it cannot be subjectively objectionable. Jim Calhoun and the UConn administration lost some of my respect.

To piggy-back on my fellow Chicagoan's point, if Geno were to act in similar way, would our respect for him diminish? For me, a definite yes.
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Nice to know some people never have to make hard decisions work. Get over yourself. Bradley is still a member of the team. UK kicked 6 members off the team to make way when Calipari came. IIRC, many women's teams have booted other players off their teams for many reasons - UK, UM, 'ville? Texas.
 
Neither your baseless personal attack or suggestion that UK's men team or other women's team have committed similar or less savoury actions actually changes my initial argument: Simply because it happens does not mean it has to be accepted or that it cannot be subjectively objectionable.

If Bradley is losing his scholarship to his detriment, then I still find it objectionable that the university does not honor a commitment to a young man simply because a supposedly more talented player comes along, just as I find it objectionable for any other institution/team to do the same to any of its players.

My opinion changes if it turns out Bradley would also benefit from the switch to financial aid.
 
ericsandiego said:
Brilliant move if it turns out to be true. you don't land the #1 player in the class and not have some way to figure it out. Bradley is a Pharmacy major and IIRC, that's a 6 year program. were he to give up his scholly this year (he red shirted last year), he's still have 4 years eligibility left and UCONN could pay his way for the remaining 4 years...
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he wouldn't have 4 years of eligibility left going forward. A player only has a five year window to play his four years.

BTW, had Bradley wanted to play hardball, he could have refused to give up the scholarship. At this stage, a player's scholarship cannot be taken away. Of course, had he done that he would have been out the door next year.
 
What I know, is that Bradley will receive an academic scholarship. He's a pharm. major from what I've been told.
 
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DieHardHusky said:
What I know, is that Bradley will receive an academic scholarship. He's a pharm. major from what I've been told.
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I believe an academic scholarship still counts and wouldn't fix the problem.
 
If academic scholarships solved the problem we would see them used frequently and they are not. Many Stanford and ND players among others would qualify for academic aid. What I do not understand is that if AD cannot qualify as a walkon because he was recruited how would Bradley.
 
caravaggio said:
Eric, are you suggesting that Bradley would actually benefit more from being on financial aid than on scholarship this year? If that is true, then it change my view of the situation.
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honestly i don't know the answer to that. but to pretend that millions of $ isn't involved in recruiting men's football and basketball would be naive. just look at all the programs right now on the hot seat, especially on the football side. then you have guys like Pearl who not only lied to the NCAA, but asked families of recruits to lie as well.

i'm not saying JC is blameless in the issues that resulted in the loss of scholarships. he certainly should have had a better handle on what classes kids were passing before they jumped from UCONN to the NBA so that we wouldn't be left with kids who left without having enough credits. that hit our APR and resulted in the loss of either 1 or 2 scholarships.

but my point is that the Pharmacy program is 6 years. you have 6 years to use 4 years of eligibility for for basketball. he had a red shirt last year but unless he wants to take another one, and not play, he'd be on track to finish in 5 years. he'd have to pay his way his 6th year anyway to complete his pharmacy degree.
 
Icebear said:
If academic scholarships solved the problem we would see them used frequently and they are not. Many Stanford and ND players among others would qualify for academic aid. What I do not understand is that if AD cannot qualify as a walkon because he was recruited how would Bradley.
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Because he wasn't recruited this year.
 
MCBB is a cutthroat business and the UConn men's team has none of the natural recruiting advantages the women's team does. Ya do what ya gotta do, especially if it's within the rules. I can promise you Bradley's sacrifice will be rememberedby the business community of CT when it's time for him to look for a job post-college. He'll be fine.
 
alexrgct said:
MCBB is a cutthroat business and the UConn men's team has none of the natural recruiting advantages the women's team does. Ya do what ya gotta do, especially if it's within the rules. I can promise you Bradley's sacrifice will be rememberedby the business community of CT when it's time for him to look for a job post-college. He'll be fine.
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I have a feeling the kid can play some hoops too. From what I have seen the kid has improved alot. He will contribute sooner or later to this team and the community
 
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Icebear said:
That is a strange nuance indeed. A nonsensical one.
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Not really if you remember that scholarships are merely one year contracts and are never more than that contractually.
 
alexrgct said:
MCBB is a cutthroat business and the UConn men's team has none of the natural recruiting advantages the women's team does. Ya do what ya gotta do, especially if it's within the rules. I can promise you Bradley's sacrifice will be rememberedby the business community of CT when it's time for him to look for a job post-college. He'll be fine.
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I think Andre Drummond with his fancy huge NBA contract will look after Bradley over time.
 
Scotter said:
Not really if you remember that scholarships are merely one year contracts and are never more than that contractually.
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Yes, but would not the offer of the next year's contract be considered recruiting a player. Bradley had to be expecting the scholarship for this year. Presumably the exit interviews from last season would confirm that.
 
That's a significant stretch of "recruiting." And not what the NCAA is interested to policing.
Icebear said:
Yes, but would not the offer of the next year's contract be considered recruiting a player. Bradley had to be expecting the scholarship for this year. Presumably the exit interviews from last season would confirm that.
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Prediction: Drummond will join the team as a walk-on and pay his own way. Note: I was "meadowlander" on the old site because I was already there as a NY Giant fan when they acquired the Boneyard.
 
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Scotter said:
That's a significant stretch of "recruiting." And not what the NCAA is interested to policing.
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I would consider any offer of a scholarship to play a sport to be recruiting. I do not think that is a far stretch. Since the university needs Bradley to release his scholarship for this to be played out would indicate that exchange or offer to have already been made thus he was recruited.

I have no problem understanding that the NCAA would not be interested in pursuing such a thing but that speaks more of their inconsistency willingness to turn a blind eye.
 
Billybonggg said:
Prediction: Drummond will join the team as a walk-on and pay his own way. Note: I was "meadowlander" on the old site because I was already there as a NY Giant fan when they acquired the Boneyard.
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we thought that the other day but what i've been reading is that has changed and he will give up his scholly for the year...
 
caravaggio said:
Neither your baseless personal attack or suggestion that UK's men team or other women's team have committed similar or less savoury actions actually changes my initial argument: Simply because it happens does not mean it has to be accepted or that it cannot be subjectively objectionable.

If Bradley is losing his scholarship to his detriment, then I still find it objectionable that the university does not honor a commitment to a young man simply because a supposedly more talented player comes along, just as I find it objectionable for any other institution/team to do the same to any of its players.

My opinion changes if it turns out Bradley would also benefit from the switch to financial aid.
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This whole process is still in progress so we are all commenting before things are complete.

From this article http://www.chron.com/news/article/UConn-exploring-options-with-Michael-Bradley-2146918.php
UConn-exploring-options-with-Michael-Bradley-2146918.php
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“There are several options I know the school is helping him to explore, (like) how much financial aid he would be eligible for,” said Lynn Jordan, program director at the Tennessee Baptist Children’s Home, where Bradley spent most of his high school years. “His circumstances are a little unique, so that may open the door up for financial aid.”
Bradley’s background certainly is unique. He moved into the children’s home — a facility that works with families of children who, for a variety of reasons, can’t live at home — when he was about 12, returned to live with his mother, Jacqueline Phinazee, about 18 months later, but soon returned to the home and spent the bulk of his high school years there. For a time, he lived with Jordan and her son, Blake, and maintains a close relationship with the family.
“As far as I know, he hasn’t signed anything yet, officially,” said Jordan. “They’re going to try to get the numbers together, let him see them, and if they think it will work out as far as the money, it’s something he’s willing to do.”
Indeed, she added that Bradley didn’t at all feel forced into sacrificing his scholarship for Drummond, the 6-11 center who’s rated as one of the top big men recruits in America.
 
ChicagoGG said:
Glad Geno does not work that way!
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I think he is fortunate he doesn't have to. My statement doesn't imply that if circumstances were to change Geno would resort to the tactics that take place in the men's game. It just implies we don't know how he would react if he were coaching under the circumstances that take place in the men's game. Suffice it to say that Geno has had one or two situations where public scrutiny has been critical of what he did.

Every time I drive on the highway, 90% of the drivers pass me. Since I'm doing the speed limit I can only assume that many if not most people break the law and are involved in an activity that increases the risks for their injury or death or their fellow man's injury or death. This is far more serious situation than what is taking place with the Drummond and Bradley, whose treatment is totally within the scope of legality and in which the University is undertaking the necessary steps to insure it is complying with the NCAA rules. It won't attract nearly the outrage or indignation that JC will get because so many of us do it.

It doesn't mean that what takes place in getting Andre into the program has to be acceptable to any of us. That is different than your statement which implied a morally superior individual in Geno than the person he was being compared with. Stick to the distaste of the action as presented by caravaggio. Your simple quip implies the need to elevate someone at the expense of someone else and I'm not sure it was necessary.
 
Fleudskip - I made a simple declarative statement. I did not compare him to anyone. I was speaking about Geno and the women's program only. You appear to be the only one who feels it necessary to decide what I actually meant. Thank you for your lengthy explication of my supposed intentions, and for your warm welcome to the Boneyard.
 
doggydaddy said:
Because he wasn't recruited this year.
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Actually Katz doesn't understand the NCAA bylaws. There is no difference between a player who was recruited this year or in any past year. Any player can be a "walk-on", regardless of when they committed or whether or not they were recruited. If the player gets no aid of any kind, then he does not count against the scholarship limit.

However if a "recruited" player gets any sort of need-based aid and most other types of financial aid, then he becomes a "counter" - regardless of whether the aid is an athletic scholarship or other aid. Bradley will still be a counter if he gets the kind of aid that has been discussed. But apparently the NCAA's restriction of 10 scholarships applies only to the number of true athletic scholarships and not to the number of counters.
 
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UConn4ever said:
You'd better believe Geno would do the same thing if this situation was happening on the womens side
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It would not happen on the women's side. Geno never uses his full limit of 15 scholarships.
 
Icebear said:
It would not happen on the women's side. Geno never uses his full limit of scholarships.
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Yes but I just meant if he was put in the same situation as calhoun he would do the same thing.
 
UConn4ever said:
Yes but I just meant if he was put in the same situation as calhoun he would do the same thing.
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No way to answer that question; he might but he very well might not.
 
He's in a six-year program and can only get an athletic scholarship for 5 of them. He was going to have to pay his own way at some point. It's not ideal, but it's logical in it's own right.
 
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ChicagoGG said:
Fleudskip - I made a simple declarative statement. I did not compare him to anyone. I was speaking about Geno and the women's program only. You appear to be the only one who feels it necessary to decide what I actually meant. Thank you for your lengthy explication of my supposed intentions, and for your warm welcome to the Boneyard.
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I stand corrected!
 
Icebear said:
Yes, but would not the offer of the next year's contract be considered recruiting a player. Bradley had to be expecting the scholarship for this year. Presumably the exit interviews from last season would confirm that.
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Scholarships are all renewed irrevocably by June. If he was offered the scholarship renewal then - and it appears he was - then it can only be taken away if he agrees to it or if some new issue arises.

As for a player being recruited, both Drummond and Bradley clearly fall under the NCAA definition of being recruited.
 
stamfordhusky said:
Scholarships are all renewed irrevocably by June. If he was offered the scholarship renewal then - and it appears he was - then it can only be taken away if he agrees to it or if some new issue arises.

As for a player being recruited, both Drummond and Bradley clearly fall under the NCAA definition of being recruited.
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Thanks, stamford, that is what I expected, also. So how this gets worked out is very unclear to me.
 
stamfordhusky said:
Scholarships are all renewed irrevocably by June. If he was offered the scholarship renewal then - and it appears he was - then it can only be taken away if he agrees to it or if some new issue arises.

As for a player being recruited, both Drummond and Bradley clearly fall under the NCAA definition of being recruited.
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makes sense
 
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