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This may have a lot more to do with the ACC than it appears. This may be a good jujitsu move by the UConn administration. If BC votes to allow UConn into HE, then the ACC could rightly ask them what would be their objection to UConn in the ACC if they elect to blackball UConn again.
 
This may have a lot more to do with the ACC than it appears. This may be a good jujitsu move by the UConn administration. If BC votes to allow UConn into HE, then the ACC could rightly ask them what would be their objection to UConn in the ACC if they elect to blackball UConn again.

Coming right after excluding BC as a destination for Oriaki.
 
This may have a lot more to do with the ACC than it appears. This may be a good jujitsu move by the UConn administration. If BC votes to allow UConn into HE, then the ACC could rightly ask them what would be their objection to UConn in the ACC if they elect to blackball UConn again.

Ay, but the answer is easy. Hockey is a different beast. It's completely regionalized. None of the "all sports" leagues exist in hockey, other than the Big Ten, and they haven't even started play yet, so schools are not forced to play games against conference opponents 1,000 miles away.

And the driving force behind why the "all-sports" conferences have spread themselves so far and wide in the first place, TV money, is nearly non-existent. For this reason, hockey is the one college sport that still mostly resembles the regional model that conferences used to employ.

Hockey is unique amongst all other college sports in these respects and therefore BCU could probably feel justified in allowing UConn inclusion into a hockey league but barring their inclusion for an all-sports league.
 
A few things:

1. The XL Center is not even part of the answer. If you play there for a year or two while building on campus, so be it, but it's hard enough getting students to the XL for hoops. The XL Center for pucks would be a morgue and the experiment would quickly fail.

2. Hockey and Lacrosse are the two NCAA mens sports that our location would allow us to develop competitively in but, to be fair to this decision (if it has been made), there are a lot more schools who are break even or better financially in hockey than in lacrosse.

3. Yes, part of this analysis by the administration would be making us a more attractive candidate for the next round of conference expansion. How could it not be?
 
Actually, of all the sports that would probably be better off in Hartford, it's hockey. much more so than basketball and football which benefit more from a campus environment. Hockey has a more dedicated non-student base.
 
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2. Hockey and Lacrosse are the two NCAA mens sports that our location would allow us to develop competitively in but, to be fair to this decision (if it has been made), there are a lot more schools who are break even or better financially in hockey than in lacrosse.

Is this true? Not calling you out for being wrong, I just would have thought it would be the opposite (similar equipment costs but lower facility overhead for lacrosse vs. hockey).
 
My UCONN hockey following days go pretty gar back...I actually did color for a game on WHUS at the old outdoor rink...man was that place cold...I'd be absolutely thrilled with this move. And while I don't love the XL Center as a home, it is simply too big and even if you have a successful program, it will always feel empty...as ann interim step I'd say go for it. Probably play the season there much like the basketball team did in pre-Gampel Days...non-conference games at Frietas and maybe a few lesser league games (UMass-Lowell, Vermont Merrimack) whith BC, BU, and the other Big names at XL. The goal ought to be a 4-5000+- seat on campus arena. I know HEA says its "requirement is 5000, but virtually nobody has that. Even Agganis is only around 4500 I think. Schnieder Arena at Providence and Merrimack are both around 3000-3500 I think. So I doubt there is too much problem with an arena in the 4500 range.

Now my regular defense of Bruce Marshall...first off, I'm not suggesting for a second that he is another Jerry York or Jack Parker (god am I old...my first college game I saw York play) . But he isn't some bum either. If you look at his record it is at least credible given the limitations...In the old D-3 daus he built UCONN into a regional power of some renown. Took them to the ECAC Championship game at least once, maybe twice. As a D-1 school, they were ineligible for the NCAA D-3 tourney under the rules at the time. In the D-1 era he has been playing a pretty tough hand...UCONN has no hockey scholarships right now while the league has allowed 11-12 since its inception. The NCAA limit is 18. None the less he has managed most years to put at least competitive teams on the ice. There have been a few duds, but for the most part, the program has always managed to rebound and become competitive in the league again. They ususally manage an non-conference win along the way, which is likewise a mismatch in terms of who they recruit vs their opponents. This year's team sort of fell apart late in the year, which was disappointing, too. But given that Bruce is forever searching for diamonds in the rough, and he has found a few, he hasn't been as bad as some say, in my view.
 
Is this true? Not calling you out for being wrong, I just would have thought it would be the opposite (similar equipment costs but lower facility overhead for lacrosse vs. hockey).

I don't know where to find numbers, but there are more than a score of hockey teams who sell more than 3 or 4 k tickets per game, and many with local TV contracts. I don't think there are many lacrosse programs who measure their attendance in the thousands, or that have TV coverage.

So I know I've read this, but could not point you to a source.
 
I don't know where to find numbers, but there are more than a score of hockey teams who sell more than 3 or 4 k tickets per game, and many with local TV contracts. I don't think there are many lacrosse programs who measure their attendance in the thousands, or that have TV coverage.

So I know I've read this, but could not point you to a source.

That's fair. At least for the lacrosse Final Four, it seems that the typical national contenders can draw a crowd, but beyond the top 10 or so schools, it's easy to believe that a hockey program like a Quinnipiac could outdraw most lacrosse programs (not to mention TV).
 
Anyone suggesting the use of Freitas at all - it is NOT an option. HE has a bylaw stating all new members MUST play in an arena that is at least 5K. This law was instituted after UVM's inclusion into the league, and all teams with smaller rinks were grandfathered in without the expectation of them upgrading their facilities. But playing in 2,000 capacity Freitas for any games is 100% not an option at all.
 
Lol at bcu. Keep laughing. That's ok. If we go we will not be relevant for at least a little while. You can see the same fear rear it's head just like the football side did. UConn is a sleeping giant in hockey. You guys are so right that some of the best talent in hockey comes from right here in ct and in the new england and eastern Canada that is all an easy drive for parents. As far as the stadium goes I'd love to see it on campus or at least "close". close is good cause they serve beer. I'm sorry to all you teetotalers but selling beer on site equals asses in seats. You can call it whatever you want, but honestly you can turn a hockey game into a party by selling beer at a game. Go ahead and tell me we would be reading rg3 talking about the loudest stadium if you had to drive and fight traffic to get to storrs for a game, try to park and sneak a few beers in the north parking garage like we used to. Our attendance would be abysmal if you ask me. I know you want to see a football stadium at storrs, Dan, but I think it's a non-starter. Bottom line is count me in as a season ticket holder if they go hockey east no matter where they are.!
 
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Lol at bcu. Keep laughing. That's ok. If we go we will not be relevant for at least a little while. You can see the same fear rear it's head just like the football side did. UConn is a sleeping giant in hockey. You guys are so right that some of the best talent in hockey comes from right here in ct and in the new england and eastern Canada that is all an easy drive for parents. As far as the stadium goes I'd love to see it on campus or at least "close". close is good cause they serve beer. I'm sorry to all you teetotalers but selling beer on site equals asses in seats. You can call it whatever you want, but honestly you can turn a hockey game into a party by selling beer at a game. Go ahead and tell me we would be reading rg3 talking about the loudest stadium if you had to drive and fight traffic to get to storrs for a game, try to park and sneak a few beers in the north parking garage like we used to. Our attendance would be abysmal if you ask me. I know you want to see a football stadium at storrs, Dan, but I think it's a non-starter. Bottom line is count me in as a season ticket holder if they go hockey east no matter where they are.!

i can't argue the beer thing at all, i'm with u on that. thats why i always say "on campus or down the street". i think there are several interesting things going on here with the fanbase. i got 2 texts from wneu kids that i havn't talked to in a while, both hartford area guys who played puck in hs. they both wanted to talk uconn puck knowing the fball fan i am and how cool its going to be. i think putting a minor league team in hartford doesn't draw becuase no one gives a shit about a whale.

now take the fact that the nhl "will never come back blah blah" and combine that with a uconn fanbase that enjoys downtown and combine that with a puck fanbase thats starving for something puck wise that means something. i think you can get 5k+ for some HE games next year in XL. what you do is play in xl for a couple years into gampel is all done, then move the team up there. what you just did was grab the fanbase and gave them a preview of the program building. now they are hooked and instead of going to whale games, they make the trip on friday nights to storrs to have a couple drinks(at your fav back in the day place) and watch the game.

if uconn puck in xl those first couple years got good #'s, then why move it. i'm sure thats a tough thing to think about also.

i think you can get waviers to serve beer in arenas correct? for example up at wne there has been a plan in place for a while but it will never go thru. on the edge of campus bud was going to front the $$ for a rink as long as there was a bar in the place. i think as long as you dont advertise beer then u can serve it with ncaa aproval. having Bud rink being the name of the place would work under that rule. maybe i have it wrong?

i'm fine with either of these 2 things:
1-concentrate possible profit sports in hartford for the future. play both bballs, puck and fball in hartford. the whale then have to go. hartford needs to be uconns city and nothing else. if this is going to happen then the school needs to figure out better ways for student to ge there and also more seating for them(i don't care if its $5 tix at events). this is the best possible why to grab and create fanbase outside of campus students, the risk here is making sure that the students are still getting a positive expierenc ein uconn sporting for creating future fans/$$.

2-make hartford for fball and some bball. everything else on campus. i think like the schools puts up good #'s for soccer, that can spill over to puck eventually on campus. all these sports are getting new fields or w/e soon. bball and fball will be the fanbase catchers in hartford.

i think warde and susan will figure out the best possible situation for it and i can't wait to hear about it. this will be one of wardes first tests imo. lets see what happens. i'm still 100% on things being in storrs but i'm not against others if its upgrading etc....

also just to stir something up, doesn't the acc not allow beer at fball stadiums? so then who cares where the stadium is....
 
UConn hasn't even funded the basketball practice facility. How can we fund a hockey arena and facilities?

While I admit HE hockey makes sense. It would seem to be quite a few years in the future. Where am I wrong?
 
Now my regular defense of Bruce Marshall...first off, I'm not suggesting for a second that he is another Jerry York or Jack Parker (god am I old...my first college game I saw York play) . But he isn't some bum either. If you look at his record it is at least credible given the limitations...In the old D-3 daus he built UCONN into a regional power of some renown. Took them to the ECAC Championship game at least once, maybe twice. As a D-1 school, they were ineligible for the NCAA D-3 tourney under the rules at the time. In the D-1 era he has been playing a pretty tough hand...UCONN has no hockey scholarships right now while the league has allowed 11-12 since its inception. The NCAA limit is 18. None the less he has managed most years to put at least competitive teams on the ice. There have been a few duds, but for the most part, the program has always managed to rebound and become competitive in the league again. They ususally manage an non-conference win along the way, which is likewise a mismatch in terms of who they recruit vs their opponents. This year's team sort of fell apart late in the year, which was disappointing, too. But given that Bruce is forever searching for diamonds in the rough, and he has found a few, he hasn't been as bad as some say, in my view.


There is no...zero...defense for Bruce Marshall. None. Yes, he has restrictions, but the man has been doing nothing more than accruing time towards a state pension for 15 years. You could find anyone, ANYONE, to do his job, at a minimum, equally as as Bruce Marshall has.

The best part of this news is that the end of Bruce Marshall's reign of idiocy is soon over.
 
UConn hasn't even funded the basketball practice facility. How can we fund a hockey arena and facilities?

While I admit HE hockey makes sense. It would seem to be quite a few years in the future. Where am I wrong?

i was wondering about this also but then thought there has to be something we don't know yet.
were over half way thru the funding for the pf/other fields right? why would we start something before thats over with? we must have some big news coming. either something like the rest of the $$ has been paid or will be. maybe the nba guys got in on it. who knows, but there must be something we don't that the school is keeping quiet. maybe puck got a big donation for the upgrade? i'm not stupid, tbpicks or the psu guy isn't walking thru the door but i guess its wait and see now.
 
lets say that BM does get fired. any one have some names to throw out there?
 
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UConn hasn't even funded the basketball practice facility. How can we fund a hockey arena and facilities?

While I admit HE hockey makes sense. It would seem to be quite a few years in the future. Where am I wrong?

This whole plan makes perfect sense. Until you start talking dollars.

I'm highly skeptical of whether hockey could break even. And even more skeptical that the upgrade makes us more viable as an expansion candidate. Can anyone explain that to me? It's a serious question. Maybe I'm missing something.
 
This is one conference expansion where BC would whole-heartedly support ... since they would finally have a sport where they would crush UConn.
 
Would love to see an upgrade. I've missed hockey since the whale left and i could never get into uconn puck. If you're going to have something then at least try to be competitive in it, otherwise its not worth having. This is i think the real reason an upgrade is being looked at imo. Susan has shown a thourough desire to make everything that UConn does the best that her power can make it be. If it can't be great, get rid of it. Now of course benefits can be accrued from committing yourself to higher standards (better conference, more grants), but I can appreciate her philosophy of doing the most you can to reach your potential.

oh and this thread is missing something... edsall.
 
lets say that BM does get fired. any one have some names to throw out there?

I would think this upgrade would be kind of similar to the football upgrade. So why not Randy Edsall? Timing is perfect. If we beat them like a drum in College Park on 9/15, I don't think they let him address the team in the locker room.
 
I would think this upgrade would be kind of similar to the football upgrade. So why not Randy Edsall? Timing is perfect. If we beat them like a drum in College Park on 9/15, I don't think they let him address the team in the locker room.

lol, i'll try. is jerry york available? haha

how about mike mcshane or bill beaney? are they not big time enough maybe?
 
Considering our attendance for men's & women's soccer games it isn't a stretch to believe that we could support a quality ice hockey program better than most schools.

That said, fundraising dollars (unless there is a white knight out there) will be the key to getting this off the ground and this is where the lack of foresight when Freitas was built (constructing it as a completed venue with very limited capacity) comes back and bites us (I am still convinced that it was built as it was in large part to eliminate any calls for upgrading the men's ice hockey program).

If we could feasibly add another 2k seats to Freitas for opening of HE play and another 1,200 or so a few years further down the road, we could make a compelling argument for HE to temporarily waive the venue capacity requirement. As it would be far easier (and likely cheaper) to build a new rink, joining HE would be a major undertaking for the athletic department.
 
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This whole plan makes perfect sense. Until you start talking dollars.

I'm highly skeptical of whether hockey could break even. And even more skeptical that the upgrade makes us more viable as an expansion candidate. Can anyone explain that to me? It's a serious question. Maybe I'm missing something.
In fact, lots of programs in Hockey East do break even and a few even make money, so I'm not sure why it would be all that far fetched. But even beyond that, it almost doesn't have to make money, it only has to be around where the current program is in terms of costs to make pretty good sense. Heck, Baseball doesn't make money, swimming doesn't "make money" outside womens basketball which more or less breaks even depending on which figures you see, no womens programs make money. If that's the standard, only basketball would be a sport at UCONN...Maybe a womens team, as I said.

It would likely make us more attractive to the big 10 if that were an option, too. But even if it isn't, hockey is the one varsity sport where UCONN doesn't really compete at a high level. This move would change that. Finally, as far as the relationship between this and the basketball facility, A. those are different issues; and B. when you get a chance to make this kind of move, you really need to take it because it may not come again. We didn't have a basketball facility when we built Shenkman and Burton either...but we haven't done too badly.
 
lol, i'll try. is jerry york available? haha

how about mike mcshane or bill beaney? are they not big time enough maybe?
If he's still available by then, a name to consider is Blaise MacDonald. He was a solid recruiter at Lowell, though his record wasn't as good as it could've been for them. But he's got lots of recruiting connections where they need to be, and he's very, very familiar with Hockey East. The problem with hockey recruiting is that you're not just competing against other schools, you're competing against the Canadian junior leagues who do not have to follow NCAA rules, and basically can do whatever they want, including paying players to come play for them. In fact, a team in Canada paid one of our guys at BU $200K to quit the team in December and come finish the season with them before he goes to the NHL. It's a very different bear recruiting in this sport than it is in BB or FB.

UConn would have to get real good real quick for hockey to make a bit of difference for the B1G hockey schools to want us. They're doing just fine with their six teams, all very traditional rivals, four powerhouse hockey schools, and their likely coming scheduling agreements with the NCHC and HE. We would only be added there if ND came along. I wouldn't hold my breath on being part of the BTHC.
 
No way HE is going to waive the arena standards for us. As far as recruiting goes...don't forget about Long Island as well. There are regularly at least 3-5 kids who get D1 hockey scholarships who come from Long Island. BC, ND among others have done VERY well with LI kids.
One thing that would be a GREAT marketing move if this goes through is to play a few games including at least 1 or 2 high profile games a year in Bridgeport at Harbor Yards. Talk about a home run!
 
lol, i'll try. is jerry york available? haha

how about mike mcshane or bill beaney? are they not big time enough maybe?

Craig Janney coached professionally as recently as 2007 in Lubbock Texas ... that would be an interesting candidate ... ;)
 
No way HE is going to waive the arena standards for us. As far as recruiting goes...don't forget about Long Island as well. There are regularly at least 3-5 kids who get D1 hockey scholarships who come from Long Island. BC, ND among others have done VERY well with LI kids.
One thing that would be a GREAT marketing move if this goes through is to play a few games including at least 1 or 2 high profile games a year in Bridgeport at Harbor Yards. Talk about a home run!
Bridgeport? NOOOOOOO. They've tried playing NCAA tournament regional games there and the place is DEAD. That's Yale/QU hockey territory down there. This would be a terrible move. Hockey needs to be on campus and attendance driven by students. That's the winning formula for every major hockey school.
 
Agreed on Bridgeport. While I like the facility it is Yale, QU and to a lesser extent Sacred Heart territory down there. An annual game with Yale there, OK, but that's it as far as I'm concerned.
 
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