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OT: Knicks - Hurley and Pitino passed, does anyone want the job?

Waquoit said:
I don't think you know what objectively false is. Even ChatGPT will tell you "The New York Knicks have faced multiple rejections in their search for a new head coach following the dismissal of Tom Thibodeau."
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And what I'm saying is those guys were not higher on their list than the guys still available. Jason Kidd is the only one there's an argument for and I think they legitimately wanted more than Brown, Jenkins, Malone, Bryant
 
Waquoit said:
How does that make sense? Why would they put themselves through the humiliation of being told no if they weren’t a priority?
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Because to rational human beings that's not humiliating and it's just doing their due diligence as they should be doing
 
Hoophound said:
Why say that? Any Knick fan should be frustrated. They have no options and they already had a pretty good coach under contract. It’s a very fair narrative as uncreative as it might be. Dolan and co. have made their bed. This is just one in a long line of embarrassing blunders.
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I'm not frustrated I know shame on me right. I react to how the next hire works out. I react to real news and not social media fodder. I know it's the normal thing these days to jump onto a narrative and not have a mind of your own but I'm not doing that.
 
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Moving on from Thibs in and of itself wasn't a bad move as where the Knicks need to improve in order to go deeper in the playoffs are:

A) offensive creativity - they can't just run the shot clock down to six seconds and hope Brunson can find something. It's too easy to stop in playoff basketball

B) player development. There are a number of pretty good bodies on the bench that spend nearly the entire game on the bench. As Thibs always plays his starters the most minutes of any team, there is no way to tell if the bench is capable. It's easy to say he doesn't use his bench because he doesn't have one but that may not be the case. They'll need to be able to go more than six deep and they'll need a different head coach to do so.

My guess is they really only had two or three targets and knew they would likely be denied permission in their first pass. They now are intentionally muddying the water (I'll wager that a few of the names they floated were never going to be considered) in order to be able to gice a fair offer (a couple firsts?) for the coach and be able to tell the team (likely Dallas) that they'll look elsewhere if the asking price is too high.
 
navery12 said:
Because to rational human beings that's not humiliating and it's just doing their due diligence as they should be doing
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So as a rational human being, what you are telling me is that the Knicks going to all these teams asking for permission and being told to pound sand was just "due diligence"? That they were crossing the guys they didn't really want off their list before they started to pursue their preferred targets? What if the answer was yes? Were they going say "just kidding"?
 
Waquoit said:
So as a rational human being, what you are telling me is that the Knicks going to all these teams asking for permission and being told to pound sand was just "due diligence"? That they were crossing the guys they didn't really want off their list before they started to pursue their preferred targets? What if the answer was yes? Were they going say "just kidding"?
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No, they were going to interview them and then decide if they wanted to hire them. All I'm saying is that there's no evidence they're left with options 6-12 after some teams denied them permission. Some of those guys like Jason Kidd were presumed top targets, most of those guys like Billy Donovan and Quin Snyder had no chance of ever getting the job. And the larger point is that all of options 1-12 are better than the alternative in another season of Tom Thibodeau
 
Scoe said:
How creative pile onto a narrative instead of having a mind of your own.
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Really? People now get criticized on this board if a post isn't up to your standards? Nice post
 
Terry Stotts would be the best pick at this point I think? I think Jenkins from Memphis stinks. Mike Brown? ALL SET.

I don't know, maybe shouldn't have fired TT in the first place..
 
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navery12 said:
No, they were going to interview them and then decide if they wanted to hire them. All I'm saying is that there's no evidence they're left with options 6-12 after some teams denied them permission.
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I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. You don't ask for permission unless you are ready to hire the man. Why would a guy say yes to just an interview? How could he ever go back to his old team after showing a desire to leave? There's plenty of evidence they are on 6+ if one is honest about it. I bet Jay Wright was first choice.
 
Doubt they're going for a 1st time head coach, and if they are it'll be Johnnie Bryant. My money is still on Jason Kidd
 
navery12 said:
Doubt they're going for a 1st time head coach, and if they are it'll be Johnnie Bryant. My money is still on Jason Kidd
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Brian Windhorst just noted that many coaches have signed extensions recently. Jason Kidd has not. And that Kidd has lost his top assistant while his #2 asst may be leaving as well.
The implication was that he's going to NY.
 
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Firing Thibs was not the move I would have made, but under Leon the Knicks have been one of the best run teams in the league imo so I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don’t believe the talk that Dolan forced this move. I think you could make a really strong argument for both sides whether moving on from him was the right move.

I don’t have a strong opinion on who I want out of the names that have been mentioned. Ultimately I think you need the guy who can best unlock the Brunson-KAT tandom. They need to be absolutely elite offensively when those 2 are playing together. Your defensive ceiling is limited with those 2 on the court together but I think with the roster they’ve built, and hopefully the addition of another guard or wing who can defend, they can be good enough defensively if they can get the most out of their offense.

There’s enough smoke out there that I think the kidd possibilities aren’t completely dead. But if not him no clue who the favorite is.
 
I doubt Hurley or Pitino were considered. In college it is all about the coach. In the NBA it is the players.
 
Don’t they have to wait until the Championship series is over before they can announce?
 
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freescooter said:
I doubt Hurley or Pitino were considered. In college it is all about the coach. In the NBA it is the players.
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But Dawn Staley is getting an interview? No disrespect to her I just can’t imagine that Dan and Rick weren’t even considered. If they weren’t approached it’s because they said “no” very early.
 
kemba said:
Firing Thibs was not the move I would have made, but under Leon the Knicks have been one of the best run teams in the league imo so I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don’t believe the talk that Dolan forced this move. I think you could make a really strong argument for both sides whether moving on from him was the right move.

I don’t have a strong opinion on who I want out of the names that have been mentioned. Ultimately I think you need the guy who can best unlock the Brunson-KAT tandom. They need to be absolutely elite offensively when those 2 are playing together. Your defensive ceiling is limited with those 2 on the court together but I think with the roster they’ve built, and hopefully the addition of another guard or wing who can defend, they can be good enough defensively if they can get the most out of their offense.

There’s enough smoke out there that I think the kidd possibilities aren’t completely dead. But if not him no clue who the favorite is.
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Somebody reading they hired Dawn Staley, lolz.
 
freescooter said:
I doubt Hurley or Pitino were considered. In college it is all about the coach. In the NBA it is the players.
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The difference between a college coach and a pro coach shrank quite a bit in the last few years.
 
Staven said:
I'm a huge Knick fan and what they did to Tib's was a disgrace. Their head coaching search was never thought through and now the organization has egg on their face. Coach Hurley or any coach for that matter need to be out of their minds to accept that position.
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I don't know. They moved on from a coach whose exact flaws are what is specifically holding the team back. It sucks, but I don't disagree with them, frankly.
 
Waquoit said:
I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. You don't ask for permission unless you are ready to hire the man. Why would a guy say yes to just an interview? How could he ever go back to his old team after showing a desire to leave? There's plenty of evidence they are on 6+ if one is honest about it. I bet Jay Wright was first choice.
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False. You don't make a list of possible replacements, rank them based on your interest and then interview them in order. That may be a wildly idealistic way to imagine how it works, but you also don't just hire coaches because you've seen them. I would certainly hope the Knicks would use an actual interview process with specific traits they're looking for and go find out if available coaches match those traits.
 
DRBackup said:
False. You don't make a list of possible replacements, rank them based on your interest and then interview them in order. That may be a wildly idealistic way to imagine how it works, but you also don't just hire coaches because you've seen them. I would certainly hope the Knicks would use an actual interview process with specific traits they're looking for and go find out if available coaches match those traits.
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I’m talking about poaching people who are already under contract. You don’t have an “ interview process” with someone under contract.
 
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