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OT: Knicks - Hurley and Pitino passed, does anyone want the job?

navery12 said:
Yup. Thibs can make a bad team good, but can't make a good team great, and that's the issue. Don't think Brown is the answer either though, I'd be happy with Malone or Bryant
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Took Calhoun 14 years after he made a bad team good before he finally made it great. Not apples to apples, but still sometimes it’s not the coach that needs to change.
 
MuchoDogYears said:
Took Calhoun 14 years after he made a bad team good before he finally made it great. Not apples to apples, but still sometimes it’s not the coach that needs to change.
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And sometimes it's been obvious since the day he was hired that the coach needed to change. Championship windows are small and wasting another season of a championship caliber core with a coach who has no chance of winning a title would have been dumb
 
I'm a huge Knick fan and what they did to Tib's was a disgrace. Their head coaching search was never thought through and now the organization has egg on their face. Coach Hurley or any coach for that matter need to be out of their minds to accept that position.
 
Staven said:
I'm a huge Knick fan and what they did to Tib's was a disgrace. Their head coaching search was never thought through and now the organization has egg on their face. Coach Hurley or any coach for that matter need to be out of their minds to accept that position.
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How creative pile onto a narrative instead of having a mind of your own.
 
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Staven said:
I'm a huge Knick fan and what they did to Tib's was a disgrace. Their head coaching search was never thought through and now the organization has egg on their face. Coach Hurley or any coach for that matter need to be out of their minds to accept that position.
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They are going to have to get lucky with a 1st-time coach. Who must be willing to take notes from Rick Brunson.
 
Staven said:
I'm a huge Knick fan and what they did to Tib's was a disgrace. Their head coaching search was never thought through and now the organization has egg on their face. Coach Hurley or any coach for that matter need to be out of their minds to accept that position.
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Scoe said:
How creative pile onto a narrative instead of having a mind of your own.
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Why say that? Any Knick fan should be frustrated. They have no options and they already had a pretty good coach under contract. It’s a very fair narrative as uncreative as it might be. Dolan and co. have made their bed. This is just one in a long line of embarrassing blunders.
 
Hoophound said:
Why say that? Any Knick fan should be frustrated. They have no options and they already had a pretty good coach under contract. It’s a very fair narrative as uncreative as it might be. Dolan and co. have made their bed. This is just one in a long line of embarrassing blunders.
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No, it's not. They got rid of a bad coach and have their pick of multiple better coaches. This narrative that its a blunder to take their time and actually interview multiple options instead of rushing into a hire is bizarre
 
Hoophound said:
Why say that? Any Knick fan should be frustrated. They have no options and they already had a pretty good coach under contract. It’s a very fair narrative as uncreative as it might be. Dolan and co. have made their bed. This is just one in a long line of embarrassing blunders.
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Of course they have options. I'm surprised they fired him without having their guy lined up to quickly announce but they have options.

I like Taylor Jenkins.
 
navery12 said:
No, it's not. They got rid of a bad coach and have their pick of multiple better coaches. This narrative that its a blunder to take their time and actually interview multiple options instead of rushing into a hire is bizarre
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Thibs frustrates me because the same flaws he had back when he coached the Bulls are still there but it's crazy to call him a bad coach.
 
Waquoit said:
I don't think you know what objectively false is. Even ChatGPT will tell you "The New York Knicks have faced multiple rejections in their search for a new head coach following the dismissal of Tom Thibodeau."
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And what I'm saying is those guys were not higher on their list than the guys still available. Jason Kidd is the only one there's an argument for and I think they legitimately wanted more than Brown, Jenkins, Malone, Bryant
 
Waquoit said:
How does that make sense? Why would they put themselves through the humiliation of being told no if they weren’t a priority?
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Because to rational human beings that's not humiliating and it's just doing their due diligence as they should be doing
 
Hoophound said:
Why say that? Any Knick fan should be frustrated. They have no options and they already had a pretty good coach under contract. It’s a very fair narrative as uncreative as it might be. Dolan and co. have made their bed. This is just one in a long line of embarrassing blunders.
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I'm not frustrated I know shame on me right. I react to how the next hire works out. I react to real news and not social media fodder. I know it's the normal thing these days to jump onto a narrative and not have a mind of your own but I'm not doing that.
 
Moving on from Thibs in and of itself wasn't a bad move as where the Knicks need to improve in order to go deeper in the playoffs are:

A) offensive creativity - they can't just run the shot clock down to six seconds and hope Brunson can find something. It's too easy to stop in playoff basketball

B) player development. There are a number of pretty good bodies on the bench that spend nearly the entire game on the bench. As Thibs always plays his starters the most minutes of any team, there is no way to tell if the bench is capable. It's easy to say he doesn't use his bench because he doesn't have one but that may not be the case. They'll need to be able to go more than six deep and they'll need a different head coach to do so.

My guess is they really only had two or three targets and knew they would likely be denied permission in their first pass. They now are intentionally muddying the water (I'll wager that a few of the names they floated were never going to be considered) in order to be able to gice a fair offer (a couple firsts?) for the coach and be able to tell the team (likely Dallas) that they'll look elsewhere if the asking price is too high.
 
navery12 said:
Because to rational human beings that's not humiliating and it's just doing their due diligence as they should be doing
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So as a rational human being, what you are telling me is that the Knicks going to all these teams asking for permission and being told to pound sand was just "due diligence"? That they were crossing the guys they didn't really want off their list before they started to pursue their preferred targets? What if the answer was yes? Were they going say "just kidding"?
 
Waquoit said:
So as a rational human being, what you are telling me is that the Knicks going to all these teams asking for permission and being told to pound sand was just "due diligence"? That they were crossing the guys they didn't really want off their list before they started to pursue their preferred targets? What if the answer was yes? Were they going say "just kidding"?
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No, they were going to interview them and then decide if they wanted to hire them. All I'm saying is that there's no evidence they're left with options 6-12 after some teams denied them permission. Some of those guys like Jason Kidd were presumed top targets, most of those guys like Billy Donovan and Quin Snyder had no chance of ever getting the job. And the larger point is that all of options 1-12 are better than the alternative in another season of Tom Thibodeau
 

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