OT - Karen Read Trial in Massachusetts

[NJHusky]

To wit. Can’t make this stuff up. The Judges brother represented one of the Alberts in 1995 for a DUI murder charge

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I don't understand how its up the the conflicted person (judge) to decide if there is a conflict....this should be a no brainer that another judge needs to decide the conflicts issue

 

[HuskyHawk]

Wow. Not sure how to respond. If you don’t see anything wrong here related to how incestuous these relationships are not sure what to tell you.

The point is that in Norfolk county the culture of who knows whom in the justice system is rotten and why the Feds are doing their own investigation - the scope of which includes Norfolk County DA Morrissey who’s probably already preparing his retirement papers to keep his pension.

That particular conflict is a nothing-burger. Not disqualifying. But I gave you a like because of the second paragraph. That's legit. I live in the county, but our town is on the edge and is a little removed from that nonsense. It's the towns north/east of 95/128 that are the center of the rot.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I don't understand how its up the the conflicted person (judge) to decide if there is a conflict....this should be a no brainer that another judge needs to decide the conflicts issue

Doesn't work that way. Never has. Yet they do conflict themselves out all the time. This is a ticky tac minor conflict if it's one at all. If things that minor were disqualifying then there'd be nobody to hear half the cases.

 

[CL82]

The point is; they all know each other; they're all friends.

There's a whole lot of questionable stuff in this case, but assuming that the sister of someone who represented someone pursuant to court assignment is somehow friends with that defendant probably isn't one of them.

 

[Willi Kid]

Do you have a sibling? Would you sacrifice your professional integrity, act dishonestly and risk your reputation and career to help someone who your sibling worked with 30 years ago? Its not like her brother was even hired by Chris Albert, he was appointed to represent him as a public defender. This is meaningless and in no way a conflict of interest.

No, it is not a conflict. It is, however, representative of the hysteria and circus-like environment being created by Turtleboy and his conspiracy theorist cult in their successful attempt to create chaos and sow doubt in this case. I support their 1st amendment right to to free speech but we're not talking about social justice warriors here. I have no idea if Read is guilty or there is a cover-up but I think that repeating blogger and TikTok rantings as if they were informed and documented research and that contrary opinions are worthless doesn't bring us closer to truth. The following article from Boston Magazine seems to provide a balanced portrait of TB and and his followers. "Free Karen Read" Blogger Turtleboy Will Not Go Quietly

 

[NJHusky]

Doesn't work that way. Never has. Yet they do conflict themselves out all the time. This is a ticky tac minor conflict if it's one at all. If things that minor were disqualifying then there'd be nobody to hear half the cases.

I know how it works...but it's stupid...If someone is lacking integrity, all they need to do is have swing decisions go one way or another....and the std is appearance, not actual conflict....yes, this is a minor thing from years ago...but why does the judge get to decide if she in conflicted...that alone to me is a conflict

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I would hope that a judge wouldn't be swayed by the fact that decades ago, a sibling worked for someone involved with a current trial but regardless, the optics are terrible, especially in a murder trial.

The judge should have immediately recused herself.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I know how it works...but it's stupid...If someone is lacking integrity, all they need to do is have swing decisions go one way or another....and the std is appearance, not actual conflict....yes, this is a minor thing from years ago...but why does the judge get to decide if she in conflicted...that alone to me is a conflict

It's appealable, so if it's an error the whole case is at risk. This just doesn't even come close to rising to that. Mass judges are not elected and tend to be less susceptible to local power structure than elected judges. DAs on the other hand....

 

[freescooter]

There's a whole lot of questionable stuff in this case, but assuming that the sister of someone who represented someone pursuant to court assignment is somehow friends with that defendant probably isn't one of them.

I kind of agree with you but context is important and if you are a judge in a controversial case it strikes me that it would be best to step aside if there is anything even remotely questionable. There is a time to stand on principle and one to remove any questions. This is the latter.

 

[freescooter]

It is literally the definition of conflict of interest. The judge should have recused herself from the case.

I have been removed from a jury because I peripherally knew one of the witnesses.

Did you send that witness a thank you note?

 

[CL82]

I kind of agree with you but context is important and if you are a judge in a controversial case it strikes me that it would be best to step aside if there is anything even remotely questionable. There is a time to stand on principle and one to remove any questions. This is the latter.

I actually don't see this one is being a close call. There have been other higher profile cases were there were definite grounds for recusal but the system works the judge makes the call.

 

[CL82]

Did you send that witness a thank you note?

Actually it's like 50-50 he got removed because he's an ass hat but they use the witness remote relationship as an excuse.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Actually it's like 50-50 he got removed because he's an ass hat but they use the witness remote relationship as an excuse.

I hope he also realizes that jury removal can be for no cause and also for very very remote causes. It’s not even similar to the standard for a judge to recuse his or herself.

 

[HitDog]

Time for the defense case as the prosecution has rested.

 

[Skiblets]

Plow driver established Ford Edge back at the house between road clearing passes. That's the other Albert families car. The one the daughter was driving. This is gonna blow back on her and Colin and that they lied on the stand. Phone and camera video to follow showing that they weren't where they testified they were after 12:30......My guess is the daughter came back to get the dog out of the house...

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Plow driver established Ford Edge back at the house between road clearing passes. That's the other Albert families car. The one the daughter was driving. This is gonna blow back on her and Colin and that they lied on the stand. Phone and camera video to follow showing that they weren't where they testified they were after 12:30......My guess is the daughter came back to get the dog out of the house...

Almost every word out of the "witnesses" at the house has turned out to be a lie.

 

[BlueandOG]

This case is an excellent example of power of confirmation bias.

 

[NJHusky]

Plow driver established Ford Edge back at the house between road clearing passes. That's the other Albert families car. The one the daughter was driving. This is gonna blow back on her and Colin and that they lied on the stand. Phone and camera video to follow showing that they weren't where they testified they were after 12:30......My guess is the daughter came back to get the dog out of the house...

I’m really really curious if the DA will pursue any perjury charges or if they will just want this to go away?

 

[auror]

I’m really really curious if the DA will pursue any perjury charges or if they will just want this to go away?

Not gonna go for perjury against his own witnesses.

 

[NJHusky]

Not gonna go for perjury against his own witnesses.

So they just want it to go away....but could be a way to blame someone else....they lied to to the us, so that's why we charged Read.

Wonder if Read has any civil cause of actions against them?

 

[Skiblets]

So they just want it to go away....but could be a way to blame someone else....they lied to to the us, so that's why we charged Read.

Wonder if Read has any civil cause of actions against them?

Keep an eye on the Feds.

Defense said they’re calling three more witnesses on Monday and resting. Seems about right. The prosecution established all the reasonable doubt they need over the past month

 

[NJHusky]

Keep an eye on the Feds.

Defense said they’re calling three more witnesses on Monday and resting. Seems about right. The prosecution established all the reasonable doubt they need over the past month

It’s bad enough the local yokels tried to cover it up. But when the state police are complicit that’s a real big problem.

Some heads need to roll/get indicted. This isn’t putting a drunk cop into a cruiser and taking him home. They tried to knowingly send an innocent woman to prison

 

[M.S.G.]

She's a smoke, 100%

Whoever said that cops are the highest (most important) ranking in the State, was on to something...

This whole thing reeks, I can't get over how bad this is.

 

[jdb50]

We get CBS Boston channel 4 on Spectrum cable. Tonight they showed a picture of the dead officers arm that had what a witness on the stand said looked like wounds caused by an animal bite. Me looking at it there was no doubt. Puncture wounds and rips on the elbow and upper arm. The Mass State Police have been corrupt for years with overtime falsifications and other things. They get off with taking early retirement etc. Do not trust them.

 

[jdb50]

The other issue with holding State Police responsible is they protect the Governor. It skews the process to get them to stop covering up for bad actors. Basically a unionized organized gang.