OT: GO SPURS GO !!!

[intlzncster]

All these "LeBron-ing" memes going around are going to look pretty hilarious when he's hoisting his third straight championship trophy

Be surprised if the Heat take this series. Spurs are a better team. The Spurs should definitely pump heat into the building for the rest of the San Antonio games.

 

[intlzncster]

Jordan didn't start winning titles until Magic and Bird were over the hill. He also didn't win until Pippen became a bonified superstar.

Jordan was just getting started when those guys were coming to the tale end. It's pretty normal he didn't start winning championships until he had a few years under his belt. The fact is, he racked up 6. Would probably have had more had he not done the baseball thing. Lebron has a long way to go there.

 

[intlzncster]

Your choice of TeXt gives away the fact that you're young, and, because of your youth, I'll forgive you for this awesome display of ignorance . . .

BUT


the talent level today is leaps and bounds higher than in the 80s. There are guys who started in the 80s who wouldn't even see the floor in the NBA today. Sure, there were very talented players, but the athleticism level on the court today is crazy compared to those days.

Yeah, but you can't really compare between eras in that regard though. The guys today had far more advantages in terms of preparation/knowledge/training throughout their careers. Make Lebron go from birth to 30 in that era, and it's a different story.

 

[JaYnYcE]

Your choice of TeXt gives away the fact that you're young, and, because of your youth, I'll forgive you for this awesome display of ignorance . . .

BUT


the talent level today is leaps and bounds higher than in the 80s. There are guys who started in the 80s who wouldn't even see the floor in the NBA today. Sure, there were very talented players, but the athleticism level on the court today is crazy compared to those days.

With all due respect, me being 31 has nothing to do with yesterday's vs today's game. 90% of the players today wouldn't make an NBA roster due to low basketball IQ and just not physically ready to play against grown men.

 

[CallMeBruce]

Jordan was just getting started when those guys were coming to the tale end. It's pretty normal he didn't start winning championships until he had a few years under his belt. The fact is, he racked up 6. Would probably have had more had he not done the baseball thing. Lebron has a long way to go there.

That's true, but it's not like those teams went to hell without Jordan. The '94 team barely lost in the second round to a Knicks team that was a hair away from winning the title. When LeBron left Cleveland, they went from a 60+ win team to literally the worst team in the league overnight. That 2007 team he took to the finals has to be the worst roster I've ever seen in an NBA finals, outside of him.

 

[tzznandrew]

Jordan didn't start winning titles until Magic and Bird were over the hill. He also didn't win until Pippen became a bonified superstar.

Jordan beat Magic in 1991--and Magic was not only second in MVP voting, but had just won the previous two NBA MVPs. Hardly over the hill. He was 32 that year. But let's not forget that both Bird (Johnson, McHale, Parish) and Magic (Abdul-Jabbar, Worthy) played with better teammates than Jordan did. It wasn't until Grant and Pippen came into their own that they even had the guns to compete.

As for the Bulls teams not falling off a cliff: they didn't. Pippen put up a great year. But they had other additions that helped them excel. It wasn't the same exact team, or anything.

 

[UConnSwag11]

Be surprised if the Heat take this series. Spurs are a better team. The Spurs should definitely pump heat into the building for the rest of the San Antonio games.

Yeah I think the spurs are the better team. They play a better type of team basketball. Also tony parker is barely ever talked about and IMO he's top 2-3 pg.

 

[UConnSwag11]

Grow up, it's a meme, it's really not this serious. With that being said,

 

[JaYnYcE]

LOL

 

[intlzncster]

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LOL

#21 Spurs. Yes.

 

[JaYnYcE]

 

[ihatepants]

Speaking of LeBron being thrown into another era to see how dominant he would be, have you guys read this article? It's from The Onion, but it's actually a fantastic piece of sportswriting (and fiction). An excerpt:

“We can already label LeBron as the best player of his generation—that debate is all but over—but the big question is whether he would have been the top guy during the way more physical, pre-hand-check-rule NBA,” said Simmons, who reportedly warped through a cluster of dark matter to watch James face off against the Chicago Bulls in the 1991 Eastern Conference Finals as a member of Chuck Daly’s Detroit Pistons. “He just wouldn’t get the calls back then that he gets in 2014.” “That said, even with players literally getting clotheslined while driving to the basket, LeBron is big enough and strong enough to cope with the physicality of the ’90s,” continued Simmons, carefully watching as James received the ball from Isaiah Thomas and then darted through Scottie Pippen and Bill Cartwright for a heavily contested dunk. “But I still can’t see him winning more than two championships while the Bulls were at their peak. He’d win, but he wouldn’t have a dynasty.”

http://www.theonion.com/articles/bi...lMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default

 

[James]

at the end of his career lebron will be known as the GOAT. number 1, so eat it haters. and i'm not even a heat fan, i'm just find all this bron hate repulsive. he is clearly doing legendary on the court. look at the trajectory.

 

[intlzncster]

at the end of his career lebron will be known as the GOAT. number 1, so eat it haters. and i'm not even a heat fan, i'm just find all this bron hate repulsive. he is clearly doing legendary on the court. look at the trajectory.

To be better than Mike, he's got to get 7 titles. That's the modern era standard. Decry measuring people by titles all you want, but the great ones get them, one way or another.

 

[rw005]

Shame Ray can't pull out a Spurs uniform, since it's hard enough to root against Miami.

 

[tzznandrew]

at the end of his career lebron will be known as the GOAT. number 1, so eat it haters. and i'm not even a heat fan, i'm just find all this bron hate repulsive. he is clearly doing legendary on the court. look at the trajectory.

Eh. It's possible. But MJ has 6 titles to go with 6 Finals MVPs. He never lost a NBA Finals series. He has 5 MVPs--I suspect James will pass him there, although Jordan should have 7 (and James 5). Jordan also won an MVP and DPOY in the same year. LeBron isn't going to do that.

Jordan's career PER is also slightly better than James'--and that's including Jordan's late 30s and 40--James' number may go up, but those last years bring it back down a bit.

Also, as is oft said, Jordan played in an era that allowed hand-checking: who knows what would have happened if he played today.

 

[JaYnYcE]

Eh. It's possible. But MJ has 6 titles to go with 6 Finals MVPs. He never lost a NBA Finals series. He has 5 MVPs--I suspect James will pass him there, although Jordan should have 7 (and James 5). Jordan also won an MVP and DPOY in the same year. LeBron isn't going to do that.

Jordan's career PER is also slightly better than James'--and that's including Jordan's late 30s and 40--James' number may go up, but those last years bring it back down a bit.

Also, as is oft said, Jordan played in an era that allowed hand-checking: who knows what would have happened if he played today.

MJ would be unstoppable if he played in this era. As if he wasn't already.

 

[intlzncster]

Eh. It's possible. But MJ has 6 titles to go with 6 Finals MVPs. He never lost a NBA Finals series. He has 5 MVPs--I suspect James will pass him there, although Jordan should have 7 (and James 5). Jordan also won an MVP and DPOY in the same year. LeBron isn't going to do that.

Jordan's career PER is also slightly better than James'--and that's including Jordan's late 30s and 40--James' number may go up, but those last years bring it back down a bit.

Also, as is oft said, Jordan played in an era that allowed hand-checking: who knows what would have happened if he played today.

How has PER ratings changed league wide from Jordan's time until now? Anyone know?

 

[tzznandrew]

How has PER ratings changed league wide from Jordan's time until now? Anyone know?

The PER is set at a league average of 15 every year--so it is relative to peers.

 

[James]

The PER is set at a league average of 15 every year--so it is relative to peers.

fun fact lebron once had a playoffs with a 37+ PER. 14 games. at the age of 24.

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After all lebron has accomplished, only a disgruntled knicks fan could paint him in a light of 'not giving enough effort". kinda sad but whatever, I'll enjoy witnessing history when he 3peats.

 

[intlzncster]

The PER is set at a league average of 15 every year--so it is relative to peers.

Well there you go. Shows what I know. So there's no way to adjust and compare between eras? (I realize changing the stat would be involved).

 

[JaYnYcE]

fun fact lebron once had a playoffs with a 37+ PER. 14 games. at the age of 24.

After all lebron has accomplished, only a disgruntled knicks fan could paint him in a light of 'not giving enough effort". kinda sad but whatever, I'll enjoy witnessing history when he 3peats.

Please don't put words in my mouth. If he 3peats, I'm happy that it would make your day.

 

[tzznandrew]

Well there you go. Shows what I know. So there's no way to adjust and compare between eras? (I realize changing the stat would be involved).

I'm sure there are other stats, and I don't think PER is the be-all and end-all. But I do think there's something to be said for how much one player dominates his own generation. It feels like one of the only logical ways to have a discussion about who is the best all time.

 

[dogfan96]

fun fact lebron once had a playoffs with a 37+ PER. 14 games. at the age of 24.

After all lebron has accomplished, only a disgruntled knicks fan could paint him in a light of 'not giving enough effort". kinda sad but whatever, I'll enjoy witnessing history when he 3peats.

And it's crazy bc LeBron plays harder than pretty much any superstar you'll see. He's one of the few guys you'll see who doesn't run back on defense.. he SPRINTS back on defense, especially in transition.

 

[intlzncster]

And it's crazy bc LeBron plays harder than pretty much any superstar you'll see. He's one of the few guys you'll see who doesn't run back on defense.. he SPRINTS back on defense, especially in transition.

I do like that about him, and I do like watching him play. And yes, he is the best player in the league (sorry KD & TD*). He's definitely grown as a player, both skill and maturity wise over his career. You can't say that about every guy.

I will hold on to my assertions that he is a dooche off the court. Not a bad guy at all, but a dooche. Also, I don't like the flops in the least.

*TD does not get enough props in those conversations. IMO, best power forward to play the game. Dirk, at his peak, was up there too. Amazing to have both those guys playing at the same time.

 

[dogfan96]

I do like that about him, and I do like watching him play. And yes, he is the best player in the league (sorry KD & TD*). He's definitely grown as a player, both skill and maturity wise over his career. You can't say that about every guy.

I will hold on to my assertions that he is a dooche off the court. Not a bad guy at all, but a dooche. Also, I don't like the flops in the least.

*TD does not get enough props in those conversations. IMO, best power forward to play the game. Dirk, at his peak, was up there too. Amazing to have both those guys playing at the same time.

I don't think it's debatable that TD is the best PF of all time.. I like Miami but I also like Dirk so I wasn't TOO disappointed that Dallas beat Miami the 2nd time. I figured that would be his last real opportunity to win a title and I knew Miami would have plenty more shots at it.

 

[Rocktheworld]

And it's crazy bc LeBron plays harder than pretty much any superstar you'll see. He's one of the few guys you'll see who doesn't run back on defense.. he SPRINTS back on defense, especially in transition.

Also keep in mind that in Game 1, despite sitting out the last seven minutes or whatever of regulation, he still played as many minutes as anyone else in the game, other than Parker who played 4 more.

All these idiot haters make me more and more of a LeBron fan. I'd love to see him win it all for the threepeat and turn the meme around on everyone.

 

[dogfan96]

Also keep in mind that in Game 1, despite sitting out the last seven minutes or whatever of regulation, he still played as many minutes as anyone else in the game, other than Parker who played 4 more.

All these idiot haters make me more and more of a LeBron fan. I'd love to see him win it all for the threepeat and turn the meme around on everyone.

It's a shame really.. There's a decent chance that this is the best player (or at least one of the best 2) that any of us will see in our lifetime. But I guess you have to keep in mind that people talked bad about MJ too.. until they couldn't anymore

 

[dogfan96]

Yeah I think the spurs are the better team. They play a better type of team basketball. Also tony parker is barely ever talked about and IMO he's top 2-3 pg.

Another myth.... Miami plays team basketball just as much as the Spurs do. They just do it different ways... Spurs play high pick and roll with TP and a big and play off that action.. or they play thru a TD post-up.. Miami plays off non-standard pick and rolls but same concept.. they use their ball movement to get good shots off it. Or they post LeBron (both high and low) and run the offense thru him. The only big difference is Miami has more superstar greatness to bail them out when things go bad.

 

[intlzncster]

I don't think it's debatable that TD is the best PF of all time.. I like Miami but I also like Dirk so I wasn't TOO disappointed that Dallas beat Miami the 2nd time. I figured that would be his last real opportunity to win a title and I knew Miami would have plenty more shots at it.

Side note, one of the reasons that I don't like Miami is that many of their fans are d!ckwads (not speaking of yourself). They are like the worst part of the Laker fans (the "want to be seen" crowd) multiplied by a factor of 2+.