OT: Giants

[intlzncster]

Im assuming you mean Gronk who was taunting a player who had just took an awful cheap shot on his fellow TE. OBJ has let his head get the best of him on multiple occasions while the Giants coaching staff looks helpless. The guy's a great talent but a mental midget. The comparison to Gronk just shows how much real estate the Pats own in your head for some reason

Haven't read enough but just from what Josh has admitted they weren't very harsh with his regargin the 1 game suspension, a year would be more like it. But if what I have heard is correct and he has changed, seeking help and making things better between he and his ex, then this world of sports is full of 2nd chances. He's a no doubt, but every team is full of them it's football.

The fact that we're talking about OBJ is mind blowing. This is about something far worse than any BS some diva receiver has pulled. Who gives a f&*^ about OBJ in this context.

The Brown thing is not just on the Giants, but on the NFL as a whole. I mean, they had way more evidence than I thought they had upon his return. How the NFL can have this policy of 6 games, have a toothless investigation in the face of multiple instances (one coming under their watch at the pro bowl), and come to the conclusion they did is mind boggling. They literally copied the same methodolgoy they took in the Ray Rice situation, the incident which caused the overhaul in their policy in the first place.

This comment is not about the Patriots per se (or bitterness), but they spent years and many millions on investigating a worthless PSI or so. Why did they only make a couple phone calls, when we are talking about somebody's life in danger? And this is in the face of having a set policy and making said issue a 'point of emphasis' (not). And then Goodell comes out after and says, "we take this very seriously". It's insane.

 

[FartMan69]

I think it's on the league for sure. I would be a happy man if the whole NFL went down in flames. They desperately need a change in leadership between the fans and players there is zero respect towards the commish and that says a lot. Even one of the most powerful owners feels betrayed now and hopefully the rest of them wake up to the quasi criminal organization they've become.

 

[mauconnfan]

The fact that we're talking about OBJ is mind blowing. This is about something far worse than any BS some diva receiver has pulled. Who gives a f&*^ about OBJ in this context.

The Brown thing is not just on the Giants, but on the NFL as a whole. I mean, they had way more evidence than I thought they had upon his return. How the NFL can have this policy of 6 games, have a toothless investigation in the face of multiple instances (one coming under their watch at the pro bowl), and come to the conclusion they did is mind boggling. They literally copied the same methodolgoy they took in the Ray Rice situation, the incident which caused the overhaul in their policy in the first place.

This comment is not about the Patriots per se (or bitterness), but they spent years and many millions on investigating a worthless PSI or so. Why did they only make a couple phone calls, when we are talking about somebody's life in danger? And this is in the face of having a set policy and making said issue a 'point of emphasis' (not). And then Goodell comes out after and says, "we take this very seriously". It's insane.

Let's be honest nothing is mind blowing on the Boneyard unless you just started reading here I simply stated, for those who need simple, these things are worsened due to the fact they are playing for the Giants. Obviously Brown and OBJ are far differing in their effects I get that and hate the guy for touching his wife or anyone for that matter who does anything close. Point is, he did and now is trying to be a better person. You can say too late for that or you can look at it as if hey he deserves a second chance like many get. I'm good with either, it just wouldn't be all over the media/TV if he played for the Titans.

 

[Husky25]

Let's be honest nothing is mind blowing on the Boneyard unless you just started reading here I simply stated, for those who need simple, these things are worsened due to the fact they are playing for the Giants. Obviously Brown and OBJ are far differing in their effects I get that and hate the guy for touching his wife or anyone for that matter who does anything close. Point is, he did and now is trying to be a better person. You can say too late for that or you can look at it as if hey he deserves a second chance like many get. I'm good with either, it just wouldn't be all over the media/TV if he played for the Titans.

From the sounds of it, Brown got 18 chances.

There is a conflicting report where, "Molly Brown told police about being at the Pro Bowl in Hawaii, and how it was a big mistake to go. They were in the process of getting divorced, but she took the kids and went to Hawaii with him because he offered to pay all expenses. She alleged that he was drunk and banging on her hotel door on the Friday before the game, and she arranged with NFL security to move her and her children to different rooms. So the NFL knew about Brown's issues. The conflict comes in only that the NFL admits to moving Molly Brown. Not the children. Well that make it all the better, except that there also exists in the personal conduct policy, "A baseline suspension of six games without pay for violations involving assault, battery, domestic violence, dating violence, child abuse, other forms of family violence, or sexual assault, with consideration given to possible mitigating or aggravating circumstances." Plus the NFL has made it clear (see Jones, Adam "Pac Man." See also Rothlisburger, Ben) that there does not have to be a legal conviction for the league to take action, which makes John Mara's claim that, "there’s a big difference between allegations and convictions or indictments,” in terms of the NFL ring hollow.

It seems to me that John Mara uses the rule book and his relationship with St. Roger, for his own teams' gain whether the rule is in the book or not. Viewed from that angle, Brown originally got off easy ( one game vs. six) because he plays for the Giants. The one thing about this case that baffles me is why spend your "political" capital on a kicker?

 

[UConnNick]

It has become apparent that the NFL is more invested in protecting its players at all costs vs following their own rules and doing what's right. I suspect they're worried that if they start disciplining the players like they should be, most of the league wouldn't be able to field a team from week to week, at least not one capable of NFL caliber play.

 

[superjohn]

Let's be honest nothing is mind blowing on the Boneyard unless you just started reading here I simply stated, for those who need simple, these things are worsened due to the fact they are playing for the Giants. Obviously Brown and OBJ are far differing in their effects I get that and hate the guy for touching his wife or anyone for that matter who does anything close. Point is, he did and now is trying to be a better person. You can say too late for that or you can look at it as if hey he deserves a second chance like many get. I'm good with either, it just wouldn't be all over the media/TV if he played for the Titans.

Not a good look for you Mau.

 

[UConn990411]

It's a story because

1. The Giants' owner, coaches, and players were somewhat vocal about their support for Josh Brown. Something about how his personal life is personal, and you have to have your teammate's back, blah blah blah.
2. Goodell and Mara are good buds, and as such, Goodell went against the mandatory 6-game suspension for DV that he himself created to do the Giants a solid.
3. The nutjob kept a freakin journal about how he had been abusing his wife physically and emotionally for a long time.

It's laughable to read about how Josh Brown is trying to better himself. And it's even more comical to read these opinions from posters who skewered Brady over being generally aware of footballs possibly having been deflated.

 

[31GuardTrap]

Shouldn't anything Giants related be dealt with in the Cesspool?

 

[Husky25]

3. The nutjob kept a freakin journal about how he had been abusing his wife physically and emotionally for a long time.

I thought it was part of his therapy.

To me, the attempts to justify the notion that Brown was bettering himself is absurd. He sees a shrink once a week. He answers crisis phone calls. Wonderful, but then he goes right back to using his wife as a heavy bag. It's akin to an addict going to rehab and heading straight to the bar as he walks out the clinic door.

 

[StoweD210]

It's a story because

1. The Giants' owner, coaches, and players were somewhat vocal about their support for Josh Brown. Something about how his personal life is personal, and you have to have your teammate's back, blah blah blah.
2. Goodell and Mara are good buds, and as such, Goodell went against the mandatory 6-game suspension for DV that he himself created to do the Giants a solid.
3. The nutjob kept a freakin journal about how he had been abusing his wife physically and emotionally for a long time.

It's laughable to read about how Josh Brown is trying to better himself. And it's even more comical to read these opinions from posters who skewered Brady over being generally aware of footballs possibly having been deflated.

The Giants continue to follow the 2014 Ravens playbook and released Josh Brown this afternoon.

As for the bolded part, the Giants have been very vocal about domestic violence in the past. Eli Manning was probably the highest profile player in the league's "No More" PSA. Shortly after Bob McAdoo was hired back in January, he was asked what he wouldn't tolerate as a head coach. His response was:

Domestic violence is something that we’re all cracking down on in this league. That’s something that’s important to us as an organization, important to me as a man, and important to me as a coach.​

In the wake of the Ray Rice situation, John Mara had this to say: "There is no place for domestic violence in our sport or our society, and we are committed to doing our part to prevent such heinous acts going forward."

From players to coaches to ownership, the three most influential people in the Giants organization all took strong anti-domestic stances. That's commendable, except that when a Giants player committed domestic violence, none of them backed up their words.

Eli has basically had nothing to say about it and gotten a pass from the media. McAdoo has said he won't turn his back on a player who did something that, just 9 months earlier, he said he wouldn't tolerate. Mara has defended Brown since the story came out in August. Now, with Brown's release, it appears that Mara has finally figured out the 'no more' really means 'no more.'