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Grew up a Giants fan. Became a Pats fan during the early Brady years.
Really would like to see Brady win, as that makes him the GOAT.
Eli winning makes him a HOF QB.

So, both ways, I'm happy for a guy.

Gotta say my heart's picking Pats but my brain's picking Giants.

Eli is like Kemba, above, is a good analogy.
 
Pats 34 Giants 17
Tom Brady MVP

The Pats being a 3 point favorite is begging the betting public to put their money on the Giants. Vegas is smarter than I am at this stuff. Redemption. It's going to be a long 2 weeks, GO PATS!
 
Manning TD pass to Nicks with .03 seconds left and the Giants win 24-21
 
Been a Pats fan since I was a little kid. The last 11 years have taught me to never count this team out.

I love the Patriots defense is "awful" side of things. This is proof that if you listen to the media enough, you will believe anything. Of course over the last eight regular season games they had more sacks than the vaunted Ravens, but you never hear that. No team scored more than 30 on them even once (Buffalo broke 30 once but that was with 7 from their defense). They shut down running games with strong, gap control defense and they have two stalwarts back in Chung and Spikes who missed a huge part of the season. Suddenly the secondary is playing better with their leader back. It's like, if you take good players off of a team, they will perform worse. Who knew? They give up a ton of yards but not a ton of points. The 01 Patriots could say the same thing. This team doesn't have the names but they are getting the job done.

EDIT: I am not certain they are that different home/road either.

Home: 7-1 (only loss to the Giants) 30.75 points for vs 19.25 points allowed
Road 6-2 (lost at Buffalo and Pittsburgh) 33.38 points for vs 23.5 points allowed

They actually score more away from home, and give up more as well.


This will be a huge challenge for them, not saying it will be a cake walk. It will be a real battle. The Giants have an array of weapons the rival anything the Patriots have seen all year and both teams are riding high.

I typically side with my head in big games, unless my team is involved, then it is all heart baby.

One thing is for certain, it sucks to be a Jets fan right now. Big brother, who you have to share your room with, and your biggest rival from up the road are getting all of the pretty girls while you sit at home wondering why, again, you can't be them.
 
Rabid Pats fan here - but the edge absolutely has to go to the Giants. It shows you how much respect the public/oddsmakers have for BB/Brady/Pats that they are actually favored by 3 in this game. Bottom line, Giants have the physical edge, the Pats may have the emotional with 2007 redemption and Myra Kraft. When you look at the facts here, Giants beat them in their house this season, they got them in that 2007 SB, they are red hot having gone through a much better NFC on the road and really don't have much on the weakness end - very balanced.

Either team can win, but Pats have less room for error with that secondary. The Giants are a terrible matchup for them for two reasons - they have what may be the best 3 man WR combo in the NFL and the Pats secondary is makeshift. And the Giants have the one aspect that can neutralize Brady, the Dline/pressure up the middle. Although that didn't happen Sunday and Brady still had a horrible game. The Oline has played great this season, they'll have to keep it up against the Giants and I think they will. I also expect Brady to play much better - I think there was a ton of pressure on him as the 1 seed at home with their recent history. He should be looser and more relaxed in this one - house money to some degree.

Basically for the Pats to win, Brady has to play out of his mind(possible), Oline has to play amazing and defense has to pull something similar to the Ravens game. They have to show the running game. It should be a good one and it's close, so a turnover here or there is going to make the difference. BB should call Shanahan to see what his recipe was this year - half that teams wins were against the Giants.
 
Rico444 said:
Did you watch the game? Flacco is very hot and cold. He was pretty good yesterday...not great, but good. They also pretty much shut down Ray Rice, who is a top 3 RB.

Vince Wilfork was great. Teams haven't really been able to get much pressure on the Giants up the middle this year. Anyone who thinks this will be a cakewalk for the Giants is in for a surprise.
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Are you kidding me? the defense was geared to not let rice beat them thats why flacco had a "great "game.
 
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TheChamps990411 said:
completely agree with this. im not a giants or pats fan but looking at both teams right now the pats defense is terrible and the giants can put up points. the giants defense is going to get after brady. i see giants 31 pats 17
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I agree-GMen have as good an offense and a better D. BTW, many in SECT are Giant fans!
 
Should be a good one.

As a Sox/Giants fan, I don't have a hatred for the Pats that many NYers have. I respect (and fear) the Pats.

I feel pretty good though. Four years ago, I just wanted a competitive game. This time I think we have at least a 50% shot of taking it.

Our defense is just so much better than the Patriots'. And while the Patties are potent offensively, if you haven't noticed, Eli's turned into a heckuva QB. (And it doesn't hurt that he has the best 1-2 WR duo in the NFL.)

Line says Pats -3. I'll say Giants by 3.
 
Icculus said:
Giants will win 27 to 0.
(one touchdown and ten safeties)
and at halftime Giselle will dump Brady and start dating Eli.
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I can see the appeal for Gisele. He's a world-champion cookie licker.
 
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Giants have a much better pass D. Run D is about the same, possibly slight edge to Pats (ignore the stats, most rushing yards against NE come against nickel and dime D). Giants rushing offense is terrible, and the Pats have a much better offensive line. Eli is playing great and has better WR. Pats have the dominant TE, slot receivers and Brady. The RB are a wash, but the Pats O-line blocks better.

Pats by 3. I don't think the Giants can run the ball, or stop the Patriots passing game. The Giants D is good, but not in the same class as the Ravens. If the Pats can mount a pass rush against a weak Giants O-line (Ravens was much better), they can slow the Giants passing game. Eli will still hit a few long ones. Should be a great match-up.
 
Go Giants!

Right now on ESPN.com, Connecticut is rooting for the Giants 53-47%, with 5,000 votes cast. We're the only New England state that doesn't root for the Pats, for obvious reasons.
 
Ahmad Bradshaw could play a big role in this superbowl he did have 75 rushing yards against the 49ers he was injured most of the season and was a 1,000 yard back last year, the Giants go with the run to keep the defense honest despite the fact they didnt run the ball very well they havent abandoned the run it will be key to neutralize the pass rush of NE, Bradshaw I could see being involved in some screens, Jacobs will be used more then he was against the 49ers and well see a little bit of Danny Ware.
 
Prezidint said:
Grew up a Giants fan. Became a Pats fan during the early Brady years.
Really would like to see Brady win, as that makes him the GOAT.
Eli winning makes him a HOF QB.

So, both ways, I'm happy for a guy.




Gotta say my heart's picking Pats but my brain's picking Giants.

Eli is like Kemba, above, is a good analogy.
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Hate fair weather fans like you so much
 
HeGotGame said:
Hate fair weather fans like you so much
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What? I was a Giants fan since the days of Mendenhall. Probably 1976 was when I started rooting for them. Stopped watching football around 1990, but I was a Giants fan for those 14 years, rooting the whole time. Picked it up again in the early 2000s watching Brady take over for Bledsoe. Have been a Pats fan since then.

I essentially took 10 years off and then switched allegiances.

Perhaps I'm a turncoat, but is my pattern really your definition of a fair weather fan?
 
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Giants all the way. After what Kraft did in CT 15 years ago I could never root for any team that creep owns.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Giants have a much better pass D. Run D is about the same, possibly slight edge to Pats (ignore the stats, most rushing yards against NE come against nickel and dime D). Giants rushing offense is terrible, and the Pats have a much better offensive line. Eli is playing great and has better WR. Pats have the dominant TE, slot receivers and Brady. The RB are a wash, but the Pats O-line blocks better.

Pats by 3. I don't think the Giants can run the ball, or stop the Patriots passing game. The Giants D is good, but not in the same class as the Ravens. If the Pats can mount a pass rush against a weak Giants O-line (Ravens was much better), they can slow the Giants passing game. Eli will still hit a few long ones. Should be a great match-up.
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I know the Pats have Welker in the slot, but Cruz is the slot for the Giants. I'm not sure that is a huge advantage for the Pats, if even an advantage.

On the flip side the Pats D is not nearly as good as the 49ers D.
 
caw said:
I know the Pats have Welker in the slot, but Cruz is the slot for the Giants. I'm not sure that is a huge advantage for the Pats, if even an advantage.

On the flip side the Pats D is not nearly as good as the 49ers D.
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No, but the front 7 for the Pats is actually pretty good, and is very solid against the run. The Patriots' offense is much, much better than the 49ers. It's a very compelling match-up. I think either team can win and wouldn't be a surprise.
 
HuskyHawk said:
No, but the front 7 for the Pats is actually pretty good, and is very solid against the run. The Patriots' offense is much, much better than the 49ers. It's a very compelling match-up. I think either team can win and wouldn't be a surprise.
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It'll be Eli vs. Pats secondary and Brady vs. the Giants secondary.

As a Pats fan, that scares me especially since Edelman usually takes the slot receiver which most likely be Victor Cruz.
 
Prezidint said:
What? I was a Giants fan since the days of Mendenhall. Probably 1976 was when I started rooting for them. Stopped watching football around 1990, but I was a Giants fan for those 14 years, rooting the whole time. Picked it up again in the early 2000s watching Brady take over for Bledsoe. Have been a Pats fan since then.

I essentially took 10 years off and then switched allegiances.

Perhaps I'm a turncoat, but is my pattern really your definition of a fair weather fan?
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Um yea, the Giants had great success in the 80's and were awful in the 1990's, when you stopped watching, the Pats finally got good in 2000s than you jumped on their bandwagon. Fair weather fan. And definitely a turn coat, but I am glad you will be "happy either way" that is the joy of loose alliances and rooting for who is good at that time, eternal bliss.
 
ZenConn said:
It'll be Eli vs. Pats secondary and Brady vs. the Giants secondary.

As a Pats fan, that scares me especially since Edelman usually takes the slot receiver which most likely be Victor Cruz.
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There are definitely concerns. I do think the Pats can run on the Giants, as they did against the Ravens. That said, it's a push, and execution, great plays and turnovers will decide the winner.
 
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Giants football = strong running game, great defense especially pass rush, & a milk-the-clock offense that'll limit Brady's touches.
The Pats defense played 2 games against so-so offenses in Denver & Baltimore: Eli ain't Flacco & he's definitely not Tebow (DUH).
Brady will have a good/very good game, but I have more faith in the Gints receiving corps than the Pats' TE's. The NE defense is also not close to that of the Niner's.
Overall, the Gints have played against much better comp AND have shown they can win close, tough, low-scoring games. They also have, IMHO, the best clutch QB in football.
All that said, it should be close till a late score in the 4th: Gints 24- Pats 20. :cool:
 
HeGotGame said:
Um yea, the Giants had great success in the 80's and were awful in the 1990's, when you stopped watching, the Pats finally got good in 2000s than you jumped on their bandwagon. Fair weather fan. And definitely a turn coat, but I am glad you will be "happy either way" that is the joy of loose alliances and rooting for who is good at that time, eternal bliss.
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Lame. I wrote that I started in 76. 7 out of the first 8 seasons I watched were losing seasons. That's a fair weather fan to you?
Meh.
You sound like a dedicated fan. Which is good. World needs them. Otherwise the Boston Eagles wouldn't fill the front row.
 
Prez's change is a strange one as it has a gap in time......nonetheless I always find it weird as to how anyone can change their loyalties unless they change geographically from their youth. Even then it would be difficult. I too was a great fan during the Mendenhall, Dryer, Gregory, Van Pelt, Ron Johnson years when they were talented defendively but couldn't score.

Actually kid of took the Pats as my underdog AFC team until the realization was their fans were also Sox fans who when the finally won, were unbearable. This realized even more and bevame more painful when I married a lovely lady from Mass. and moved there from Meriden CT.. Tey now can't lose enough for this particular Giants fan.
 
RayRipKemba said:
Go Giants!

Right now on ESPN.com, Connecticut is rooting for the Giants 53-47%, with 5,000 votes cast. We're the only New England state that doesn't root for the Pats, for obvious reasons.
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Who would Jets fans want to win?
 
ZenConn said:
It'll be Eli vs. Pats secondary and Brady vs. the Giants secondary.

As a Pats fan, that scares me especially since Edelman usually takes the slot receiver which most likely be Victor Cruz.
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They should put Sterling Moore on Cruz.
 
RayRipKemba said:
Go Giants!

Right now on ESPN.com, Connecticut is rooting for the Giants 53-47%, with 5,000 votes cast. We're the only New England state that doesn't root for the Pats, for obvious reasons.
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I don't care Kraft played CT to get a new stadium. I was a Giants fan before that. Southwestern CT is a lot closer to the Giants stadium than it is for the Patriots'.
 
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