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OT: Giants-Browns trade

How could anyone think the browns won this trade?
Have they not watched Vernon the last two years?
Hes good at having nagging injuries, almost getting to the QB, and oh yeah - committing penalties on three straight plays like he did during a game last year.
Good riddance. The fact we got a very good player to fill a big hole is even better.
I like the job that Dorsey has done and would have loved him as a giants GM a few years ago but even good GMs have occasional blunders
 
The Viking said:
How could anyone think the browns won this trade?
Have they not watched Vernon the last two years?
Hes good at having nagging injuries, almost getting to the QB, and oh yeah - committing penalties on three straight plays like he did during a game last year.
Good riddance. The fact we got a very good player to fill a big hole is even better.
I like the job that Dorsey has done and would have loved him as a giants GM a few years ago but even good GMs have occasional blunders
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Players with more QB hits than Olivier Vernon from 2015-2018:
1. Aaron Donald (136)
2. Von Miller (105)
3. Michael Bennett (103)
4. Carlos Dunlap (102)
5. Cameron Jordan and Calais Campbell (93)
7. Vernon (92)

Thank you.
 
What about last year or hell even the last two years if that will make your stats look better
 
Side note I heard this the other day and cant believe it's actually true but here goes..
Since the giants drafted manning they have failed to draft an OL who made the pro bowl.
That's a 14 year drought if true
Actually chris snee was drafted the same year as Eli so it must have been regarding all drafts from 2005-2018
 
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The Viking said:
Side note I heard this the other day and cant believe it's actually true but here goes..
Since the giants drafted manning they have failed to draft an OL who made the pro bowl.
That's a 14 year drought if true
Actually chris snee was drafted the same year as Eli so it must have been regarding all drafts from 2005-2018
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This is true, but also kind of misleading. Diehl made 1 and was drafted the year before Eli, Snee made 4 and was drafted the same year, and O'Hara was signed the year Eli was drafted and made 3 as a Giant
 
Perhaps Vernon is better as robin instead of of batman. The Browns have Garrett who is going to attract all the attention. Vernon was likely doubled on most plays as the Giants had nobody else to even threaten qbs. He will be singled up with the Browns on pretty much every play as he was when Miami had him and Camrron Wake. Before the Browns had Baker, they had Zeitler and they won zippo. Until the Gmen replace Eli, a gaurd wont make a major difference in wins and losses. And before anyone brings up Hue Jackson, we had Shurmur before that. He sucked slightly less so good luck with that.
 
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Vernon's appeal going back to when he was a free agent and the giants gave him a monster contract has been that he will get close to the QB a lot but he doesn't usually finish the job with a lot of sacks. I know pressures and hits are good but for 19 mil a year or whatever hes making he needs to be a finisher if he's going to be paid like he's Strahan.
Zietler was rated a top 10 guard and the top RG on pass plays last year I believe. After seeing this line the last 5 years sign me up on this trade every single day.
 
T-Squared said:
Edge rusher is a premium position, much more valuable overall than a right guard. Both players are good performers at their positions. Both teams benefited, but I like the Browns end better.
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You’re like 2-3 years behind on this take. Zeitler is elite at his position. Vernon is not anymore.
 
huskysupporter said:
So you should jettison elite players because you don’t win? Doesn’t make sense to me.
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Yeah, that's not what I said but go ahead and create your own narrative if it makes you feel better.
 
The Viking said:
How could anyone think the browns won this trade?
Have they not watched Vernon the last two years?
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Of course I haven't watched Vernon for the last two years, the Giants are unwatchable. But from what I read, Vernon went to the Pro Bowl as an DE so the Giants moved him to LB. And now you guys say he sucks. That's so Gianty. He'll be back at DE with a formidable guy on the other side. Sounds good.
 
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huskysupporter said:
Dorsey could have waited for giants to cut Vernon
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Even if that's hypothetically true, you do understand that at that point you are in a bidding war with 31 other teams. Almost every pass rushing edge player who was a free agent was franchise tagged. Seattle and KC did that with Frank Clark and Dee Ford and now they are fielding trade offers.
 
UCfor3 said:
Yeah, that's not what I said but go ahead and create your own narrative if it makes you feel better.
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I must have misread, my apologies, I read it as you saying that they didn’t win with Zeitler so no big deal he was jettisoned for an inferior player.
 
huskysupporter said:
I must have misread, my apologies, I read it as you saying that they didn’t win with Zeitler so no big deal he was jettisoned for an inferior player.
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No worries. I may not have articulated my point as well as I could have. As a Browns fan, I'm not even sure how I feel about the trade but I understood why they did it from an economic and team building standpoint. It's really going to depend on how Corbett plays as Zeitler's replacement. Hopefully it works out for both teams.
 
Waquoit said:
Of course I haven't watched Vernon for the last two years, the Giants are unwatchable. But from what I read, Vernon went to the Pro Bowl as an DE so the Giants moved him to LB. And now you guys say he sucks. That's so Gianty. He'll be back at DE with a formidable guy on the other side. Sounds good.
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Who said Vernon is terrible?
 
UCfor3 said:
No worries. I may not have articulated my point as well as I could have. As a Browns fan, I'm not even sure how I feel about the trade but I understood why they did it from an economic and team building standpoint. It's really going to depend on how Corbett plays as Zeitler's replacement. Hopefully it works out for both teams.
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I actually love what the Browns have done accumulating draft picks and think Baker Mayfield was the perfect pick for them. They will be the class of the North shortly.
 
huskysupporter said:
I actually love what the Browns have done accumulating draft picks and think Baker Mayfield was the perfect pick for them. They will be the class of the North shortly.
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Anyone can accumulate picks. The trick is turning them in players. The Browns squandered years of high picks. The experts I saw graded out the Browns draft as a low B the day after, an A+ at the end of the season. Dorsey's 1st draft and he's drafted at least 6 starters for next year.
 
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Waquoit said:
Of course I haven't watched Vernon for the last two years, the Giants are unwatchable. But from what I read, Vernon went to the Pro Bowl as an DE so the Giants moved him to LB. And now you guys say he sucks. That's so Gianty. He'll be back at DE with a formidable guy on the other side. Sounds good.
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I'm a Pats fan through and through, but if you weren't watching Saquon Barkley this year, you were doing it wrong.
 
Waquoit said:
Anyone can accumulate picks. The trick is turning them in players. The Browns squandered years of high picks. The experts I saw graded out the Browns draft as a low B the day after, an A+ at the end of the season. Dorsey's 1st draft and he's drafted at least 6 starters for next year.
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It's not the same front office though. The owner kinda blows, and put in place a lot of dysfunctional characters. Dorsey is his strongest hire, so we'll see if it pays off.

I love Baker before the draft, and last season did nothing to dissuade me of that notion. Kid's a baller and a winner.
 
Waquoit said:
Of course I haven't watched Vernon for the last two years, the Giants are unwatchable. But from what I read, Vernon went to the Pro Bowl as an DE so the Giants moved him to LB. And now you guys say he sucks. That's so Gianty. He'll be back at DE with a formidable guy on the other side. Sounds good.
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When you haven't watched a team in two seasons, its probably best you refrain from commenting on them.

Vernon had a good season in 2016 and was one of the better players on a defense that carried the Giants into the playoffs. Then Vernon was injured quite a bit the last two seasons and wasn't the same player when he was on the field.

Also, they can classify Vernon however they want, listing him as a LB last season, but his role on the defense didn't change and he was essentially the same player.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
You’re like 2-3 years behind on this take. Zeitler is elite at his position. Vernon is not anymore.
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You're playing pee wee football.

According to Pro Football Focus, Vernon had the seventh-highest pass rush grade in 2018 among edge defenders, and the third-highest 1-on-1 grade per rush.

Sounds a lot like a guy who's not elite anymore.
 
T-Squared said:
You're playing pee wee football.

According to Pro Football Focus, Vernon had the seventh-highest pass rush grade in 2018 among edge defenders, and the third-highest 1-on-1 grade per rush.

Sounds a lot like a guy who's not elite anymore.
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He was going to get cut if he wasn’t traded. Just stop. PFF is at best horribly inconsistent and not exactly the dogma you think.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
When you haven't watched a team in two seasons, its probably best you refrain from commenting on them.
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Or else what? I don't have to watch them to know that they don't what they're doing. The same fans that have been telling me Eli is elite for the last five years are telling me Vernon isn't any good. That alone makes me think Vernon will thrive with the Browns.
 
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UConnSean said:
Brown will sign as FA somewhere he can start at guard if I had to guess....Giants should focus on FA Williams for tackle
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Merv always says good 2nd contract FAs over any draft pick gamble. There is no guarantee of anything at any position barring injury. Pros are pros with experience and necessary physical traits. They have real tape, not just potential.
 
T-Squared said:
Players with more QB hits than Olivier Vernon from 2015-2018:
1. Aaron Donald (136)
2. Von Miller (105)
3. Michael Bennett (103)
4. Carlos Dunlap (102)
5. Cameron Jordan and Calais Campbell (93)
7. Vernon (92)

Thank you.
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Here is just one

Zietler has not missed a game in four years.

Vernon has missed multiple games the last two years in a row.

Wrong defense for Vernon as well. Zeitler is made for a passing offense plus he can run block.
 
Waquoit said:
Or else what? I don't have to watch them to know that they don't what they're doing. The same fans that have been telling me Eli is elite for the last five years are telling me Vernon isn't any good. That alone makes me think Vernon will thrive with the Browns.
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He will be across from a very good end in Myles Garrett so he will probably do well if he can stay healthy. Something he has had issues doing for awhile now
 
navery12 said:
For me, not at all. I want Haskins to drop to 6 so the Giants take him and have their franchise QB. Can't call it a waste of a year if you're getting your franchise QB
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True. However I'm not a fan of Haskins. OSU QBs haven't panned out in the NFL lately. Maybe he will be good, but I'm just not a fan.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
He was going to get cut if he wasn’t traded. Just stop. PFF is at best horribly inconsistent and not exactly the dogma you think.
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He had 7 sacks in 11 games, that's a 10 sack pace for a full season. You can say he has had trouble staying healthy, but he's been productive when on the field.
 
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