OT: Doping Scandel Peyton Manning and others

[mauconnfan]

He probably took the stuff. I don't care either way, it's a great tool to recover from injuries without harmful side effects like the painkillers the league was pumping for years. I'm a huge Pats fan but i'm not going to cry over the way the media has handled it VS. the Brady situation because i fully expected it. Manning has played footsie with the media/public his entire career and Brady has not. That's it. To the media Manning is the weak and Brady is the tyranny of evil men.

To make this a "who played footsie" their entire career with the media vs the other can only come form a Pats fan. You guys are relentless and laughable.

 

[Walker11]

To make this a "who played footsie" their entire career with the media vs the other can only come form a Pats fan. You guys are relentless and laughable.

How differently would the story be reported if it was Brady, and not Manning?

 

[mauconnfan]

How differently would the story be reported if it was Brady, and not Manning?

How the hell do I know it's Manning not Brady? You tell me how it would be going down, I want to hear some more whining her on how poor Tommy is treated?

Get this one over to the other forum now too with "Patriots" it's going to get ugly.

 

[imno1]

How differently would the story be reported if it was Brady, and not Manning?

Well Tom does have a history with needles. But I think PEDs should be allowed. I like my football players huge and angry.

 

[UConn990411]

How the hell do I know it's Manning not Brady? You tell me how it would be going down, I want to hear some more whining her on how poor Tommy is treated?

Get this one over to the other forum now too with "Patriots" it's going to get ugly.

Let's review:

ESPN was the one that reported the Patriots footballs were all more than 2 PSI below the required levels (a complete lie), which is what turned Deflategate into a full-blown scandal.

Meanwhile, the first time they reported the Peyton allegations was at 3:20 am. But yeah, this is just Pats fans being paranoid.

Out of anyone, you'd think UConn fans would understand how selective ESPN is with its reporting.

 

[Tommyboy]

haha

They should have made the photoshop a little more believable but still funny.

Dude has always had an enormous forehead.

 

[intlzncster]

They should have made the photoshop a little more believable but still funny. Dude has always had an enormous forehead.

True, but I figure since HGH doesn't even affect the forehead, why not blow it out of proportion?

They actually made him kind of good looking in that early photo. Which he was definitely not.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

How the hell do I know it's Manning not Brady? You tell me how it would be going down, I want to hear some more whining her on how poor Tommy is treated?

Get this one over to the other forum now too with "Patriots" it's going to get ugly.

Mau, Chris Mortensen is one of Peyton's closest friends. Their families vacation together. You don't think things like that matter in the way this story's been covered by ESPN? Where Manning's denial and the statements of clowns like Bill Polian get more press than the allegations do? If you can't see the difference between that and the way the Brady ____ gets covered you're being willfully ignorant. No one's ranting and raving about it - it's just what it is. I don't think it's really an arguable point.

 

[mauconnfan]

Mau, Chris Mortensen is one of Peyton's closest friends. Their families vacation together. You don't think things like that matter in the way this story's been covered by ESPN? Where Manning's denial and the statements of clowns like Bill Polian get more press than the allegations do? If you can't see the difference between that and the way the Brady ____ gets covered you're being willfully ignorant. No one's ranting and raving about it - it's just what it is. I don't think it's really an arguable point.

I'm fully ignorant I guess. They're different stories and this one hasn't even begun, give it time. Does anyone think that Peyton Manning would have been treated differently than Tom Brady if he and ball boys were texting about the PSI's on the footballs and everyone found out? Because if you do than you're more ignorant than I am. It was a football story not an Oliver Stone movie about Brady, Kraft and the Pats like you fans would LOVE to believe.

 

[mauconnfan]

Let's review:

ESPN was the one that reported the Patriots footballs were all more than 2 PSI below the required levels (a complete lie), which is what turned Deflategate into a full-blown scandal.

Meanwhile, the first time they reported the Peyton allegations was at 3:20 am. But yeah, this is just Pats fans being paranoid.

Out of anyone, you'd think UConn fans would understand how selective ESPN is with its reporting.

It is that! Hilarious

 

[intlzncster]

Mau, Chris Mortensen is one of Peyton's closest friends. Their families vacation together. You don't think things like that matter in the way this story's been covered by ESPN? Where Manning's denial and the statements of clowns like Bill Polian get more press than the allegations do? If you can't see the difference between that and the way the Brady ____ gets covered you're being willfully ignorant. No one's ranting and raving about it - it's just what it is. I don't think it's really an arguable point.

This is spot on. It's like Pats fans aren't even allowed to point out the obvious. The bias is so strong, that were the same focus applied to UCONN, I'm pretty sure a number of people on this board would spontaneously combust. But because Patriots, must keep mouths shut.

addendum:
Polian is one of the most biased, hypocritical idiots at ESPN. Amazing how many former Colts and Jets office guys get employed elsewhere. You'd think you'd actually want quality, not detritus.

And yes, he built a few great teams, and was lucky enough to have Peyton fall into his lap. I admit that. But he's never gotten over finishing second to the Patriots so often, even with Peyton and a few hall of famers in the fold.* He still blames the Patriots for drafting Aaron Hernandez and his subsequent problems, when he's the guy who drafted Ray Carruth for the Panthers! Pot kettle dude.

Guy couldn't adjust to the salary cap rules, which was one of the reasons they went 2-14 in 2011; no backup for Peyton (Painter was not an NFL QB). For which he got fired. Did he even draft any other QBs? In an utterly crazy turn of events, his incompetence lead to Andrew Luck falling into the Colts lap. Maybe he's charmed.

He is the person most largely responsible for the way defenses cannot touch a soul on the football field anymore. Ty Law and Co. punched them in the mouth one too many times, and he gets on the competition committee to change the rules in favor of 'finesse' (read Peyton) football. Pvssy. /rant

*don't get me started on Dungy.

 

[intlzncster]

I'm fully ignorant I guess. They're different stories and this one hasn't even begun, give it time. Does anyone think that Peyton Manning would have been treated differently than Tom Brady if he and ball boys were texting about the PSI's on the footballs and everyone found out? Because if you do than you're more ignorant than I am. It was a football story not an Oliver Stone movie about Brady, Kraft and the Pats like you fans would LOVE to believe.

100% yes. Mortenson never would have ran with the original (completely false) tweet without some serious fact checking. That tweet created an avalanche of falsely justified public opinion, and frankly created the story.

ESPN is barely covering the Manning thing right now. It is a far more important story than a few explainably deflated footballs. Why aren't multiple reporters doing exposes and digging from hell to high water to find the truth?

And the Brady thing was far closer to an Oliver Stone movie than a football story. Multiple teams in the last few years were found to be actually doctoring balls (which, despite your protestations, the Patriots were not) during games, and not a peep was heard. If it were the Pats, it would have been another 10 billion dollar investigation and year long front page news. Patriots move the needle, generate the clicks.

 

[Husky25]

Guy couldn't adjust to the salary cap rules, which was one of the reasons they went 2-14 in 2011; no backup for Peyton (Painter was not an NFL QB). For which he got fired. Did he even draft any other QBs? In an utterly crazy turn of events, his incompetence lead to Andrew Luck falling into the Colts lap. Maybe he's charmed.

No. Polian got Lance-Corporal Dawsoned by the other pillar of ethics and morality in Indianapolis, Jim Irsay.

I think Polian did his job. I think he put the franchise in the best possible position going forward. I think he was ordered to build a team that would unintentionally (on the players' parts) "Suck for Luck." I think Irsay saw the short term affects, reneged, and fired him anyway. Either that or Polian wanted out of the life (GM, not football) and this was as good an exit strategy as any. Why else is Polian nothing but cordial and respectful towards the Colts and still hold grudges against his old rivals?

 

[Walker11]

How the hell do I know it's Manning not Brady? You tell me how it would be going down, I want to hear some more whining her on how poor Tommy is treated?

Get this one over to the other forum now too with "Patriots" it's going to get ugly.

My favorite team in the NFL is whoever is playing the Patriots. That said, Brady would be getting railroaded if he was implicated in a HGH scandal. There isn't a mention of the story on ESPN's NFL page currently.

 

[mauconnfan]

Woe is me

 

[Husky25]

Woe is me

As you are a UConn fan, Mau, I can't see how it is beyond your realm of possibility that ESPN could not perhaps have certain agendas.

 

[intlzncster]

No. Polian got Lance-Corporal Dawsoned by the other pillar of ethics and morality in Indianapolis, Jim Irsay.

I think Polian did his job. I think he put the franchise in the best possible position going forward. I think he was ordered to build a team that would unintentionally (on the players' parts) "Suck for Luck." I think Irsay saw the short term affects, reneged, and fired him anyway. Either that or Polian wanted out of the life (GM, not football) and this was as good an exit strategy as any. Why else is Polian nothing but cordial and respectful towards the Colts and still hold grudges against his old rivals?

Hmm. Not sure I agree with that. I think you are giving Irsay entirely too much credit. While I do agree that he would back, even promote, a tank job, I do not think he is intelligent or savvy enough to formulate such a plan. If so, he wouldn't have fired Polian afterwards, unless, like you said, Polian wanted out of football (I've no idea if that's the case).

If you remember, the Colts were all systems go in the 2011 offseason. The defense was virtually unchanged from 2010. They still had Mathis, Freeney, Powers, Bethea, et al. The offense had upgraded on the line: 1st rounder Anthony Castanzo (who busted) and the rest of the guys were the same (Addai, Wayne, Garcon, Clark, Saturday, et al).

It also doesn't make any sense given the timeline. In May 2011, Peyton had his third neck surgery, another in a series of relatively conservative measures, with the idea being to play the full 2011 season. I mean, he signed a 5 year $90 million contract extension in July 2011. So it was all systems go on Manning at that point.

Unfortunately for Peyton, his neck did not respond, and he was forced to undergo another, much more serious surgery in September 2011. The Colts team building had been completed at this point. Polian's mistake was that he hadn't drafted/developed a capable backup for Peyton, who'd previously never missed a game. There was literally no adjustment to be made, as good quarterbacks are not available on the free agent market at that time (usually ever, but at least you can sometimes pick up a game manager). In late August, the Colts had signed Kerry Collins, who was washed up and planning on retiring, when it became clear Peyton wasn't going to play. Polian rolled the quarterback dice, by essentially have one guy on the roster, and got badly burned.

Also, stepping back from it, Irsay certainly couldn't have predicted they'd have been the worst team in the league, and thus the winner of the Luck sweepstakes. It's not like the guys in the locker room are going to 'tank for Luck'. These guys are playing for career and contract extensions; can't afford that kind of mentality in the NFL.

 

[intlzncster]

Two things I forgot to mention:

They're different stories and this one hasn't even begun, give it time.

Yes, different story no doubt. The Peyton allegations are far more serious according to the collective bargaining agreement. The penalty for equipment tampering is (supposed to be) a $50,000k fine and slap on the wrist. Banned substances are a minimum of 4 games.

Yet a year long many million dollar investigation and round the clock news coverage was required for an equipment violation. Banned substance allegations? Crickets.

Does anyone think that Peyton Manning would have been treated differently than Tom Brady if he and ball boys were texting about the PSI's on the footballs and everyone found out?

Tom never texted anything about footballs. In fact, the worst thing to come out of 6 months of his txt messages was complaining about the pool company morons not having a white pool cover in Stock. Haha

 

[Husky25]

Hmm. Not sure I agree with that. I think you are giving Irsay entirely too much credit. While I do agree that he would back, even promote, a tank job, I do not think he is intelligent or savvy enough to formulate such a plan. If so, he wouldn't have fired Polian afterwards, unless, like you said, Polian wanted out of football (I've no idea if that's the case).

If you remember, the Colts were all systems go in the 2011 offseason. The defense was virtually unchanged from 2010. They still had Mathis, Freeney, Powers, Bethea, et al. The offense had upgraded on the line: 1st rounder Anthony Castanzo (who busted) and the rest of the guys were the same (Addai, Wayne, Garcon, Clark, Saturday, et al).

It also doesn't make any sense given the timeline. In May 2011, Peyton had his third neck surgery, another in a series of relatively conservative measures, with the idea being to play the full 2011 season. I mean, he signed a 5 year $90 million contract extension in July 2011. So it was all systems go on Manning at that point.

Unfortunately for Peyton, his neck did not respond, and he was forced to undergo another, much more serious surgery in September 2011. The Colts team building had been completed at this point. Polian's mistake was that he hadn't drafted/developed a capable backup for Peyton, who'd previously never missed a game. There was literally no adjustment to be made, as good quarterbacks are not available on the free agent market at that time (usually ever, but at least you can sometimes pick up a game manager). In late August, the Colts had signed Kerry Collins, who was washed up and planning on retiring, when it became clear Peyton wasn't going to play. Polian rolled the quarterback dice, by essentially have one guy on the roster, and got badly burned.

Also, stepping back from it, Irsay certainly couldn't have predicted they'd have been the worst team in the league, and thus the winner of the Luck sweepstakes. It's not like the guys in the locker room are going to 'tank for Luck'. These guys are playing for career and contract extensions; can't afford that kind of mentality in the NFL.

You're harshin' my buzz.

Can't you get on board a good conspiracy theory when you see one?

 

[mauconnfan]

As you are a UConn fan, Mau, I can't see how it is beyond your realm of possibility that ESPN could not perhaps have certain agendas.

I need to know why? Why Brady? Makes no sense and to me just a sense of entitlement from the fans. That's all I see, he gets treated fine as do the Patriots every year on the field. Just play quit the whining and what if's.

 

[Husky25]

I need to know why? Why Brady? Makes no sense and to me just a sense of entitlement from the fans. That's all I see, he gets treated fine as do the Patriots every year on the field. Just play quit the whining and what if's.

Nothing to do with on the field. Honestly, Patriot fans want basically the same vetting of Manning using PED as Brady supposedly being the mastermind behind deflating footballs (as we know now, didn't happen).

ESPN was an NFL mouthpiece. Deflate-____ doesn't happen if Chris Mortensen doesn't erroneously report and intentionally leaves out the tweet of 2 P/SI under pressure. Certain parties wanted to bury Brady, it backfired, and they are doubling down. What makes Manning any different?

 

[TitleTown]

As someone fairly ignorant of PEDs, it's often said the point of HGH is to accelerate healing, so why is that a morally bad thing?

See Barry Bonds.

 

[mauconnfan]

Nothing to do with on the field. Honestly, Patriot fans want basically the same vetting of Manning using PED as Brady supposedly being the mastermind behind deflating footballs (as we know now, didn't happen).

ESPN was an NFL mouthpiece. Deflate-____ doesn't happen if Chris Mortensen doesn't erroneously report and intentionally leaves out the tweet of 2 P/SI under pressure. Certain parties wanted to bury Brady, it backfired, and they are doubling down. What makes Manning any different?

Who are the "certain parties" being dreamed up then 25and why? If he's this great guy all the fans crave then why, it makes no sense?

 

[Husky25]

How did Deflate-____ start? Colts officials and former Jets officials who are now in the NFL offices. Quite petty, actually, but once the NFL engaged Ted Wells, they had to find something in order to save face. As it turns out the only thing they found was egg.

 

[mauconnfan]

How did Deflate-____ start? Colts officials and former Jets officials who are now in the NFL offices. Quite petty, actually, but once the NFL engaged Ted Wells, they had to find something in order to save face. As it turns out the only thing they found was egg.

Ok so that's over, what else? Someone felt there was something to it, many still do but it's over can everyone move on or is it still the Pats against the NFL/world? What does Peyton and HGH have to do with Tom Brady and the Pats - when the story becomes a story they will hammer him, or shall I say if? The pity me crap is beyond ridiculous, move on. Not everything that happens in the NFL needs to be compared to the Patriot Machine.

 

[Husky25]

Ok so that's over, what else? Someone felt there was something to it, many still do but it's over can everyone move on or is it still the Pats against the NFL/world? What does Peyton and HGH have to do with Tom Brady and the Pats - when the story becomes a story they will hammer him, or shall I say if? The pity me crap is beyond ridiculous, move on. Not everything that happens in the NFL needs to be compared to the Patriot Machine.

Manning and HGH has nothing to do with Brady, per se. Fans are merely looking for a level of scrutiny on something that actually provides a competitive advantage that even remotely approaches what Brady endured for 8 months.

I don't watch NFL Countdown anymore, but I heard the Berman led panel's reaction. All of them implied that if Peyton said he didn't do it, then he didn't do it and lets move on. That level of deference was never afforded to Brady, nor Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, et al. for that matter.

 

[mauconnfan]

Manning and HGH has nothing to do with Brady, per se. Fans are merely looking for a level of scrutiny on something that actually provides a competitive advantage that even remotely approaches what Brady endured for 8 months.

I don't watch NFL Countdown anymore, but I heard the Berman led panel's reaction. All of them implied that if Peyton said he didn't do it, then he didn't do it and lets move on. That level of deference was never afforded to Brady, nor Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, et al. for that matter.

Let's not compare Brady to Bonds or Clemens that's a joke. He will not be left out of the HOF he so rightfully deserves. As to the Brady PSI crap, football was over and the NFL and their media needed something, timing was good. It's not so much now with the playoffs coming up and a week 17 with a little zip left. The Manning thing, if it's viable, will rear its ugly head after the Super Bowl.

Having said that, Berman's a piece of crap.

 

[Husky25]

I think that is exactly what the NFL is hoping for. They and their mouthpiece ESPN hope this gets swept under the rug and is forgotten about.

"That story? Old news. Nothing came of it...the fact that we didn't look into it all that deeply has nothing to do with it."

 

[mauconnfan]

I think that is exactly what the NFL is hoping for. They and their mouthpiece ESPN hope this gets swept under the rug and is forgotten about.

"That story? Old news. Nothing came of it...the fact that we didn't look into it all that deeply has nothing to do with it."

Fair enough. Still don't see a difference on how they would treat the 2 NFL darlings quite honestly, just how they treat the story itself. Maybe they are also gun shy after they screwed TB up with the balls and waiting for more?

Whatever, all hear say. Don't really care as football is over now. (minus ND/Oh St at 1)

 

[intlzncster]

Having said that, Berman's a piece of crap.

I second that.