OT: Cam Newton

[Northbound]

Who the hell would criticize him for doing things that influence people's perception of him - foundation, giving balls away, whatever - the guy makes part of his living on perception as do all of us to some degree.

Why does yapping in sports cause so much angst in people? It's not my style, but my style isn't theirs either most likely - it's not right or wrong it's just different.

Play on a team where there's guys from all different places, background, economic strata, motivation, etc. and you'll get used to different being just different, not better or worse.

 

[7774]

I'm guessing anyone would believe a person who has the time to read my posts, then every time he does he calls them unintelligible as you have consistently is exactly that, I won't mince words. Tell me I'm wrong?

I may disagree with people for sure but I will not ridicule how they type out their thoughts as to me that comes from someone who is very high on themselves and/or their education. Congrats on that, whatever it may be.

You thinking you don't ridicule others people's thoughts on this board is amazing.

 

[A10 fan]

Seen many crazy posts on this board but the idea that Cam didn't prepare well enough because he didn't see quite enough game film in the 2 weeks? His receivers were covered and his offensive line wasn't getting the job done. There are 10 other players out there.

Agree with this. He didn't play well, but his receivers are turds, and the pressure he got from the rush was insane. You can't just chuck the ball up there when your receivers aren't open. Cotchery bobbled that ball that would have been a 24 yard gain (refs blew the call, it never touched the ground, but he should have caught it cleanly), and 2 plays later, Denver strips the ball for a td. Cotchery also dropped a sideline pass inside the 10 yard line before the kicker missed a fg. Even Brady would have been hard pressed to get it done under those circumstances, which of course, we saw 2 weeks ago. When a team is blowing up your offensive line like that, you have to make them pay with the quick, short pass. Carolina isn't built to do that. They need to upgrade their receiving corps.

 

[Rico444]

1) He got tabbed as pouting after losses early in his career. Towel over his head in pressers. Short, snotty answers.
2) They win and everything is fine. Smiles. Dabs. Commercials. Brand climbs and climbs to an all time high.
3) (Oh, and his foundation and charitable side is heavily publicized during that "rebirth")
4) The last two weeks, he wanted the camera to tell everyone how great he was.
5) Shts the bed in the Super Bowl and reverts right back to rookie year Cam at the presser.

I believe the smilin' dabber was the guy he wants you to think he is. And that brings in the money and the good times. But under the surface, I still think he's that pouting sore loser, poor sport rookie.

I have no idea what his immaturity level has to do with whether or not his dealings with his charity are genuine. The guy needs to do some growing up, but suggesting he doesn't care about his charity is a cheap, baseless accusation.

 

[upstater]

Which brings me back to my original point, there's no way someone can reasonably say with as much confidence as you have, that Ware wouldn't have gotten that ball if Newton had dove.

Ware's arm comes out, but it fumbles it. The ball is then left free on the ground. He stopped diving from it when he saw the arm come out. But then Ware doesn't grab it. If he dove, he would have doved on a free ball. Whether someone wrestles it from him after is something no one can predict.

 

[mauconnfan]

You thinking you don't ridicule others people's thoughts on this board is amazing.

I ridicule opinions on some occasions I do I admit that. Not how smart or stupid I believe they are. Because someone believes AB is a great player and I disagree doesn't make them stupid, or wrong for that matter. But if I told them they once again they write "unintelligible" (as you have done) they would deem me an arrogant elitist AH and they should. That's they way you come off. But hey if that's you, cool.

 

[gtcam]

Did we make it through the weekend without a murder? At least we have that going for us today.

It was snowing and there was the Super Bowl - no one was on the streets

 

[storrsroars]

Newton didn't handle the presser like I'd prefer to see a "team leader" handle it. OTOH, if he does this repeatedly a la Belichick, eventually nobody would care.

The difference being that Belichick is terse and bellicose regardless if his team won or not. So all Cam needs to do is act this same way after Panther wins

 

[Athlete94]

Sorry - I don't buy the maturity stuff
The guy is a QB and has been in the league as a starter for 5 years - NOT a 1st or 2nd yr guy.
QBs are supposed to be leaders or they are ineffective
As a leader he has to take the good with the bad.
perhaps if his Daddy was with him at the presser he would have handled it better?
These guys who make all this insane money have to begin to understand that they owe it to the public to be tolerant. I don't mean in cases where people act racially or bigoted BUT I don't remember anyone (in the press) doing that this past two weeks.
If you want to point out the maturity aspect fine - then Cam is a kid and a kid should not be leading a professional team on the field.
Yeah he can smile when meeting Peyton after the game but I think he did that because he thought he ought to (good for him).
Handing the press is something he will have to do from now until he retires and after.
In the games biggest arena, to act like that after a loss, is unacceptable. Ive seen college guys who have lost parents/grandparents and played and win or lose then went to meet the press after and handle it like soldiers. Cam lost a game.
Maybe it's the organizations fault but I would hope a 5 yr seasoned starting QB would show more guts then what was on the podium last night.

Don't disagree with your reply at all, he should have handled it better, period end of story. Let's see if realizes that and comes out and addresses that, if he does that step in right direction, if not well, enough said.

 

[Athlete94]

I don't buy this one either. He's a black run-first QB. He's bigger and stronger than Kaepernick or RGIII, but he's simply not (and may never be) a pocket first passer. As you saw yesterday, it wasn't all that difficult to hem him in, limit his opportunities to run freely and force him to pass to win the Super Bowl. He was 18 for 41 (43%!!!) with 0 TD's and 1 INT.

He's Daunte Culpepper before he tore his ACL, MCL and PCL in 2005.

Why brings race in this, shows ignorance to which doesn't warrant acknowledging your comment. Brady is a pocket QB and look what that D did to him so your logic there doesn't make sense either. Look, I am not a CAROLINA fan, but I see talent and call it like I see it. I've work with minor and pro athletes and there has never been a Athlete period with his skill set or talent, is he the most accurate, no but he's improving in that area.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Ware's arm comes out, but it fumbles it. The ball is then left free on the ground. He stopped diving from it when he saw the arm come out. But then Ware doesn't grab it. If he dove, he would have doved on a free ball. Whether someone wrestles it from him after is something no one can predict.

This is America. You have the right to be wrong. That's part of what makes this country of ours so great.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Betting on mau to post the first "Cam is a POS" thread would have been like stealing money.

The kid is a bad loser, like a lot of people who don't spend much time losing. He's been babied for most of his career. Most great athletes need to get ____ on at some point to learn something about themselves. If' he's as good as some people think he is, I would imagine he'll learn from this.

Not getting dirty for the fumble was brutal to watch. As far as the press conference, eh, the kid just got murdered in the Super Bowl and he's listening to Chris Harris talk ___ about him from about 10 feet away. I'm not sure I would have stuck around that long either.

A lot of people - as this thread shows - have been sharpening their knives waiting for this kid to lose, so I would imagine they're enjoying themselves right now. Calling him Duante Culpepper after the season we just saw is moronic, though.

 

[upstater]

This is America. You have the right to be wrong. That's part of what makes this country of ours so great.

Freedom is wonderful, but don't know if I want to play Cholly to your Magoo.

 

[Deepster]

Why brings race in this, shows ignorance to which doesn't warrant acknowledging your comment. Brady is a pocket QB and look what that D did to him so your logic there doesn't make sense either. Look, I am not a CAROLINA fan, but I see talent and call it like I see it. I've work with minor and pro athletes and there has never been a Athlete period with his skill set or talent, is he the most accurate, no but he's improving in that area.

I didn't bring race into it. Cam Newton did.

"I'm an African-American quarterback that may scare a lot of people because they haven't seen nothing that they can compare me to"

 

[bballgrda]

Freedom is wonderful, but don't know if I want to play Cholly to your Magoo.

Convenient how this shot has the football in the corner and gives no information whatsoever where Ware is positioned. I am pretty indifferent towards Cam and it is for sure a bad look to not be all in on that. But, to use such a photo as evidence for your claim is pretty hilarious to me.

 

[7774]

I ridicule opinions on some occasions I do I admit that. Not how smart or stupid I believe they are. Because someone believes AB is a great player and I disagree doesn't make them stupid, or wrong for that matter. But if I told them they once again they write "unintelligible" (as you have done) they would deem me an arrogant elitist AH and they should. That's they way you come off. But hey if that's you, cool.

Riiight, you never comment on the level of intelligence you believe someone has. Definitely not in the post below from a week ago, which surely came from someone else logged into your account.

C'mon you're not that stupid are you? Just add 2 point s to this game because of the final score and that's how you come up with the final margin if Ab plays? Wow

It's cool though. We don't need to go back and forth anymore. Continue on living in the alternate version of reality you've created in your head.

 

[Deepster]

Calling him Duante Culpepper after the season we just saw is moronic, though.

Culpepper 2003 (age 26): 65% completion %, 3,479 yds passing, 25 pass TD's, 11 INT's, 422 yds rushing, 4 rushing TDs
Culpepper 2004 (age 27): 69% completion %, 4,717 yds passing, 39 pass TD's, 11 INT's, 406 yds rushing, 2 rushing TDs
(Note: Culpepper had 10 rushing TD's in 2002 at age 25)

Newton 2015 (age 26): 60% completion %, 3,837 yds passing, 35 pass TD's, 10 INT's, 636 yds rushing, 10 rushing TDs

 

[superjohn]

I didn't bring race into it. Cam Newton did.

"I'm an African-American quarterback that may scare a lot of people because they haven't seen nothing that they can compare me to"

Yup, you didn't bring race into it at all. You just compared him to other black quarterbacks, basically said he can't throw and then said he's Daunte Culpepper.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Ryan Clark had a good piece on why Cam Newton rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

 

[Athlete94]

I didn't bring race into it. Cam Newton did.

"I'm an African-American quarterback that may scare a lot of people because they haven't seen nothing that they can compare me to"

Read your statement, you said he's a Black Run first QB, sounds like race to me. Unless you're Black man trying to play a dominantly white position and has to face what he is facing, don't make a comment like that. I'm done. Go to www.foxsports.com and look for the article "The real reason Cam Newton stormed out of his Super Bowl press conference. Honestly, I don't even think ESPN or anyone knows this, you see him overhearing a Bronco player bashing them so after he is done, he leaves, I would have to.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Culpepper 2003 (age 26): 65% completion %, 3,479 yds passing, 25 pass TD's, 11 INT's, 422 yds rushing, 4 rushing TDs
Culpepper 2004 (age 27): 69% completion %, 4,717 yds passing, 39 pass TD's, 11 INT's, 406 yds rushing, 2 rushing TDs
(Note: Culpepper had 10 rushing TD's in 2002 at age 25)

Newton 2015 (age 26): 60% completion %, 3,837 yds passing, 35 pass TD's, 10 INT's, 636 yds rushing, 10 rushing TDs

Daunte Culpepper also played with Randy Moss. Cam Newton played with... Tedd Ginn Jr?

 

[A10 fan]

Culpepper 2003 (age 26): 65% completion %, 3,479 yds passing, 25 pass TD's, 11 INT's, 422 yds rushing, 4 rushing TDs
Culpepper 2004 (age 27): 69% completion %, 4,717 yds passing, 39 pass TD's, 11 INT's, 406 yds rushing, 2 rushing TDs
(Note: Culpepper had 10 rushing TD's in 2002 at age 25)

Newton 2015 (age 26): 60% completion %, 3,837 yds passing, 35 pass TD's, 10 INT's, 636 yds rushing, 10 rushing TDs

Few players have fallen off a cliff the way Culpepper did. He was playing at a truly elite level, excelling at all phases of the game, then nothing. I'm trying to think of another player in any sport that had a great 3-4 year run, and then faded badly before the age of 30.

 

[upstater]

Convenient how this shot has the football in the corner and gives no information whatsoever where Ware is positioned. I am pretty indifferent towards Cam and it is for sure a bad look to not be all in on that. But, to use such a photo as evidence for your claim is pretty hilarious to me.

It is evidence, no? Or do I have to call Cholly in here?

 

[UCweCONN]

I'm so tired of people making excuses for Newton because "he's young" and "will grow up". The guy won a national title in college, the Heisman trophy, won the NFL MVP, and is in his fifth NFL season. I don't call that young, I call it being a veteran. Stop making excuses for bad behavior.

 

[bballgrda]

It is evidence, no? Or do I have to call Cholly in here?

Who is in best position to recover the ball is a matter of the relationship b/w players positions. This pic does not show the position of all relevant players. The only thing it is evidence of is that the party presenting it has an agenda they are pushing imo

 

[Deleted at users request]

He did stay up there answering questions for the first 3 mins fwiw too. Some say he has had plenty of time to grow into this leadership position to handle the media like that but this was his first year with THAT much attention on him so it was new. We'll see if he comes back handling the media better next year. He never really talked about himself or how he played when he was winning either too. He usually deflected it to his sorry offense.

I also wouldn't put this loss on Cam. He had an offensive line that couldn't block for him all game and he probably has one of the worst group of WRs in the NFL really going up against one of the best defenses the league has seen.

 

[Deepster]

Few players have fallen off a cliff the way Culpepper did. He was playing at a truly elite level, excelling at all phases of the game, then nothing. I'm trying to think of another player in any sport that had a great 3-4 year run, and then faded badly before the age of 30.

He blew out his ACL, PCL and MCL in 2005. He gained weight, lost mobility and was never the same.

 

[Deepster]

Yup, you didn't bring race into it at all. You just compared him to other black quarterbacks, basically said he can't throw and then said he's Daunte Culpepper.

Re-read his statement. He places himself on a pedestal as something that no one else has ever seen before.

Fact is, we have all seen it. He's a pretty stereotypical black run first QB. And that was part of his downfall yesterday. Checked down, no open receivers and there wasn't space to scramble (like there had been all year). They hemmed him in. Not tough to stop given a great D, a great defensive coordinator and 2 weeks to prepare.

FYI - Pro.football.reference.com has him compared to Daunte Culpepper. I stole it from there so you can take that up with their algorithms.

 

[uconnever]

WOW
You my friend have a problem
instead of making accusations and suppositions about someone you do not know, after writing this z you better look at yourself in the mirror and see whats ailing you.
Cam is not an 18 year old and wants people to respect him? He walks out of a press conference of his professions biggest arena?
Who is kidding who here. Cam is immature and selfish - case closed - I dont know him but if I worked with him I would think twice about his fortitude and his character. Maybe he let his father do too much of his marketing?
I know 15 year old kids that would have handled the situation better than Cam.

everyone who watched the press conference knows he handled it wrong. calling a young man a pos for making a poor decision after an emotional event isnt very smart, and you agree with it smh......he can have all the money in the world, he still in his mid twenties and lord knows i wish i would have thought things through in my twenties. you agreeing with him makes you the person that should be looking in the mirror.

 

[tzznandrew]