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WhereistheDove? said:
Sorry but I totally disagree. I think he has a very solid shot at it if he dives but there's no way you can say that he'd definitely get it instead of Ware even if he dives, especially given the weird hops that a football can take when trying to corral it. Your black and white view of this is just wrong.
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oh my, you think I'm saying 100% he definitely get s it? No. I'm saying he probably gets it. I mean, how the hell would anyone know the outcome?
 
WhereistheDove? said:
Sorry but I totally disagree. I think he has a very solid shot at it if he dives but there's no way you can say that he'd definitely get it instead of Ware even if he dives, especially given the weird hops that a football can take when trying to corral it. Your black and white view of this is just wrong.
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He had a chance at it but there was a mitt already there. Could it have been his, maybe but I would agree it was still a 50-50 at best.
 
upstater said:
Are you blind? he had the best shot at the ball.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ewton-tapped-out-by-not-diving-on-the-fumble/

Look at the video. He gets the ball if he dives. He has the best shot at it.
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Its not like he's a frail kicker trying to go at it. He could inject fear himself launching at the ball, not to mention he's strong enough to compete for it in the scrum. By the way its not so much he didn't dive but that he actually stepped jumped back as if the ball was kryptonite.
 
mauconnfan said:
Wait I didn't say I felt that way I really don't know. I said "people" and their perception not me. He may very well be the greatest guy with kids but then show them how to act when you lose is more my point Rico.
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That's fine, I was more wondering why deep thinks Cam is putting on an act when there's really no evidence that he is. Dislike the guy, that's fine; crossing the line and saying stuff that you have no basis for is just disingenuous and doesn't smell right to me.
 
upstater said:
oh my, you think I'm saying 100% he definitely get s it? No. I'm saying he probably gets it. I mean, how the hell would anyone know the outcome?
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And I quote, "He gets the ball if he dives".... you sound pretty sure to me.
 
Kitaman said:
Its not like he's a frail kicker trying to go at it. He could inject fear himself launching at the ball, not to mention he's strong enough to compete for it in the scrum. By the way its not so much he didn't dive but actually stepped jumped back as if the ball was kryptonite.
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Now as i watched it I tried to figure out what a big SOB like him who has never shied away was thinking. Now I'm going to scare all of you and defend him in thinking maybe he saw the scrum being one that would have the ball squirt out his way and he wanted to prepare to be the only outside the pile to get to it? I mean after he realized it was staying he did throw himself in, although late he may have had another reason in his mind? Just sayin'
 
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Jerry1714 said:
If you think all he does is give away footballs you should use google and look up his foundation and what he actually does so you can have an educated response, because as of now you sound clueless
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Oh, he has a foundation?

Rasheed Wallace has a foundation too. He has more technical fouls than anyone in the history of the NBA and was suspended 7 games for threatening a referee. He started the foundation the following year to help with his image. Sometimes PR firms will suggest things like that, you know. It's not "clueless" to throw the theory out that he's mainly concerned with his image.
 
mauconnfan said:
My bad sorry I'm just not bright enough to have figured that out 7774. A suggestion, the "Ignore" button works well. Why waste your time babbling "unintelligible" all the time?
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There is no need for me to ignore you, you don't bother me. Seems like you should probably ignore me though.
 
Rico444 said:
That's fine, I was more wondering why deep thinks Cam is putting on an act when there's really no evidence that he is. Dislike the guy, that's fine; crossing the line and saying stuff that you have no basis for is just disingenuous and doesn't smell right to me.
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1) He got tabbed as pouting after losses early in his career. Towel over his head in pressers. Short, snotty answers.
2) They win and everything is fine. Smiles. Dabs. Commercials. Brand climbs and climbs to an all time high.
3) (Oh, and his foundation and charitable side is heavily publicized during that "rebirth")
4) The last two weeks, he wanted the camera to tell everyone how great he was.
5) Shts the bed in the Super Bowl and reverts right back to rookie year Cam at the presser.

I believe the smilin' dabber was the guy he wants you to think he is. And that brings in the money and the good times. But under the surface, I still think he's that pouting sore loser, poor sport rookie.
 
Rico444 said:
That's fine, I was more wondering why deep thinks Cam is putting on an act when there's really no evidence that he is. Dislike the guy, that's fine; crossing the line and saying stuff that you have no basis for is just disingenuous and doesn't smell right to me.
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There's something about him that rubs people the wrong way Rico it happens with these guys. I'm guessing there's a racial tone to much of it across the country based on our world today. I know it's not for me and I know Deep well enough to believe the same. As someone brought up Ben Rothlisberger, if we compare the individuals it's not close. Cam is just a guy who is over the top and seems a bit selfish in his ascend to the elite of the NFL, the other guy got away with things which are despicable in character and beyond just flaws. He is a "POS" and to me now a fraud for his sudden change. He felt he was owed something which was beyond disgusting it would seem and mistreating women is so much worst than dances and leaving podium's.

Cam's "flaws" are so different they are just in his manner and I should have never labeled these in the realm of him being a "POS" - my bad. I just don't care for the man, the player I should say.
 
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7774 said:
There is no need for me to ignore you, you don't bother me. Seems like you should probably ignore me though.
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Don't know who you are and you've never brought anything of substance to any thread that I can recall why would I? Your call
 
WhereistheDove? said:
And I quote, "He gets the ball if he dives".... you sound pretty sure to me.
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Yeah, I am sure, but you want me to be the Oracle of Delphi. How would anyone know the future? I think he gets the ball. Which is why I wrote, he gets the ball.
 
Deepster said:
Oh, he has a foundation?

Rasheed Wallace has a foundation too. He has more technical fouls than anyone in the history of the NBA and was suspended 7 games for threatening a referee. He started the foundation the following year to help with his image. Sometimes PR firms will suggest things like that, you know. It's not "clueless" to throw the theory out that he's mainly concerned with his image.
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It is clueless and really odd to "throw out a theory" that all the good he does is simply done to help his brand without a single piece of evidence to support it.

I think if you actually took the time to look into what he does and has done since he was in college for children you would clearly be surprised (because right now you clearly do not have any idea of what he does or has done) and it may give you a little more prescriptive.
 
He was a scumbag even at Auburn...and at Florida.
 
mauconnfan said:
Don't know who you are and you've never brought anything of substance to any thread that I can recall why would I? Your call
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Well one reason is that you seem very irritated by my posts, like the one in this thread where I stated I didn't think anyone should call you a POS, and you responded by calling me a " ass**le".

Another reason would be that you don't think I've ever brought anything of substance to the board, so it seems like from a logical perspective, those are people you could ignore and not really lose anything.

I really thought even you would be able to piece that second one together.
 
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The post game interview is somewhat understandable. I can see not wanting to answer questions. But he's hardly the first qb to lose in the super bowl. How do we think Russell Wilson felt last year after losing like that? Can couldve at least congratulated the Broncos and credited their defense. But overall it's not the worst thing in the world

BUT when you put it in context with how he acted in he nfc championship game, then it's really bad. I was cringing during that game and stopped being a cam fan. Up 35 or so in the 4th and he's out celebrating after every play. After two touchdowns he was dancing in front of the fans and Greg Olson has to come grab him and take him to the sidelines and stop rubbing it in. Leads a team photo on the sidelines with 5 min to go in the game! It was really bad.

And two weeks later he sucks and just pouts and acts like a baby. Don't dish it out of you can't take it cam. Kind of reminds me of lebron. It's all gravy and about them when it's going good. Then when things go bad just sort of
Give up and pout
 
Jerry1714 said:
It is clueless and really odd to "throw out a theory" that all the good he does is simply done to help his brand without a single piece of evidence to support it.

I think if you actually took the time to look into what he does and has done since he was in college for children you would clearly be surprised (because right now you clearly do not have any idea of what he does or has done) and it may give you a little more prescriptive.
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The perspective is clear. The cookie jar money has been well spent. After choking in the big spot and acting like churl afterwards, he has people he doesn't even know carrying his water.
 
Jerry1714 said:
It is clueless and really odd to "throw out a theory" that all the good he does is simply done to help his brand without a single piece of evidence to support it.

I think if you actually took the time to look into what he does and has done since he was in college for children you would clearly be surprised (because right now you clearly do not have any idea of what he does or has done) and it may give you a little more prescriptive.
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What "evidence" could you get? A video of him admitting it?

Listen. I feel that, at the end of the day, you saw the "real" Cam Newton in the post game presser. You can think differently if you'd like.
 
polycom said:
Oh really you knew him personally? Or you just know how to read a random ESPN article?
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Had friends that went to Alabama and throughout the Iron Bowl he was taunting players, fans, and coaches. Not to mention he maintained his celebration antics, its just that he didn't lose in college.
 
superjohn said:
And Cam Newton isn't even from Hartford, imagine the irrational vitriol Deepster would be spewing about Cam if he was from the heartbeat.
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Did we make it through the weekend without a murder? At least we have that going for us today.
 
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upstater said:
Yeah, I am sure, but you want me to be the Oracle of Delphi. How would anyone know the future? I think he gets the ball. Which is why I wrote, he gets the ball.
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Which brings me back to my original point, there's no way someone can reasonably say with as much confidence as you have, that Ware wouldn't have gotten that ball if Newton had dove.
 
Ok, seeing as how everyone is in a pissy, judgmental mood today, I'm surprised no one has commented on Peyton's "I'm going to be drinking lots of Budweiser beer tonight..."

Does he have an endorsement deal with them? It just seemed such an odd thing to say, both during the interview after the game and then again on stage.
 
7774 said:
Well one reason is that you seem very irritated by my posts, like the one in this thread where I stated I didn't think anyone should call you a POS, and you responded by calling me a " ass**le".

Another reason would be that you don't think I've ever brought anything of substance to the board, so it seems like from a logical perspective, those are people you could ignore and not really lose anything.

I really thought even you would be able to piece that second one together.
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I'm guessing anyone would believe a person who has the time to read my posts, then every time he does he calls them unintelligible as you have consistently is exactly that, I won't mince words. Tell me I'm wrong?

I may disagree with people for sure but I will not ridicule how they type out their thoughts as to me that comes from someone who is very high on themselves and/or their education. Congrats on that, whatever it may be.
 
k9fanatic said:
Ok, seeing as how everyone is in a pissy, judgmental mood today, I'm surprised no one has commented on Peyton's "I'm going to be drinking lots of Budweiser beer tonight..."

Does he have an endorsement deal with them? It just seemed such an odd thing to say, both during the interview after the game and then again on stage.
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LOL I though for sure he did. They said this morning NO deal at all that was just him but they thanked him. Guessing there is something more to it considering the use of the beer itself:eek:
 
Deepster said:
Let's not get carried away with the Cam the Savior comments. Giving away footballs and doing "so much for children" is all part of his branding and media persona. He wants the energy drinks and video game piece of this business just as much (if not more) than he wants to sit in a room watching game film (which he clearly should have done more of the last 2 weeks).

When the rubber hit the road and he had to stand up and take some questions, he showed his true colors as a pouty baby.
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Seen many crazy posts on this board but the idea that Cam didn't prepare well enough because he didn't see quite enough game film in the 2 weeks? His receivers were covered and his offensive line wasn't getting the job done. There are 10 other players out there.
 
Deepster said:
What "evidence" could you get? A video of him admitting it?

Listen. I feel that, at the end of the day, you saw the "real" Cam Newton in the post game presser. You can think differently if you'd like.
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I actually feel sorry for you. It must be causing you a lot of inner turmoil to see a guy like Cam win the MVP award, make it to the Super Bowl, sign a contract like that and receive so much attention. I hope you can come to terms with it.
 
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