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Thomas, Toliver, Langhorne, Coleman, Harper and more. And all you can do is 3 final fours in 14 years, yes that is underachieving. When you have WNBA talent you should be in final four almost every year. Then when you get there you should not be destroyed.

This may be lame but give Brenda credit for playing UConn last year and giving UConn a decent game on TV to watch. I saw the game and it was a fun game to watch. A 10 point loss to UConn is respectable and her team played hard that game. In fact that Jones kid ate UConn up. What an impressive performance. Unfortunately she stunk against Washington in the tournament. Go figure.
 
I agree with your last sentence. However, they call it a Final 4 for a reason. And when UConn are set for one of those spots you basically have only three spots left. Stanford's been very good. Notre Dame has been very good. Baylor had Griner for 4 years. So going to a Final 4 isn't automatic no mater how much talent you have. At least we're not Duke or Tennessee.

Final Four WCBB is not automatic unless you are fighting irish or husky
 
Would you have any respect for MUFFET OR BRENDA OR DAWN ---if they did not tell their kids--this is YOUR year.. But in terms of being prepare--everything you say is correct--
Muffet is a good coach Dawn is horrible and Brenda is not bad. Brenda took it to Jeff Walz a few years ago on Louisville home court in the tourney.
 
Looking at Maryland's schedule, the toughest game she has scheduled before playing UConn is Louisville in the B1G/ACC challenge. She also has games with Arizona State and Washington State but the rest of their opponents are not particularly impressive. That approach will allow her freshmen time to acclimate themselves to the college game, but it won't provide much preparation for playing UConn who will be battle tested by the time they play each other. Of, course, this is only my opinion.

I find it interesting that coaches are saying that other schools have a chance at winning the NC this year not because they are improving, but because UConn lost the Big Three. Doesn't necessarily promote the quality of your program and your players when you put it that way. I suppose it is being realistic, though.

Louisville feels like they are much improved this year. I am not sold on their chemistry of players
 
Muffet is a good coach Dawn is horrible and Brenda is not bad. Brenda took it to Jeff Walz a few years ago on Louisville home court in the tourney.

i don't know if I'd call Dawn HORRIBLE---she is great in getting recruits and top level transfers--she has been Geno's assistant in the uSA/oLympiCS and something should have rubbed off. However she hasn't made the top spot in the big dance--why?? i have no clue.
Brenda is tough, recruits like minded talent, won the big prize (once??)---winning it all is difficult few of the 360 or so Div 1 coaches come close--Going back she had Toliver and Coleman and acouple of other top kids--but failed to repeat.
Muffet won once--and has been knocking on the NC door way too many times--why?? She's had the talent she's had the Final 4 experienced kids--to me --she is a great coach--Geno cannot be the only excuse--she's beaten his team a number of times ---some times with the talent she lost to him with/??

Got to be more to this than good coach, great coach, bad coach---I'll leave that analysis to those more expert in WBB than I.
 
Thomas, Toliver, Langhorne, Coleman, Harper and more. And all you can do is 3 final fours in 14 years, yes that is underachieving. When you have WNBA talent you should be in final four almost every year. Then when you get there you should not be destroyed.

Toliver/Langhorne/Coleman/Harper played three years together. They won a national title, had a second round loss after that, then made the Elite Eight during Langhorne/Harper's senior year (losing to Candice Wiggins and Stanford, 97-98; Stanford went on to lose to Candace Parker and Tennessee in the final).

The year after losing Langhorne and Harper to graduation, Maryland made the Elite Eight again (2009 NCAA Tournament).

Toliver and Coleman graduate. Maryland is down a bit, but then gets Alyssa Thomas, who leads the team to the Elite Eight in 2012 and the Final Four in 2014.

Alyssa Thomas was arguably the best all-around player in Maryland history. She graduated in 2014...and Maryland still made the Final Four in 2015.

Sorry, I cannot call that underachieving.
 
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Checkmate wrong as usual. Before this year's recruiting class, Maryland ranked as the 18th best recruiting class over the past 5 years, which means that there were 17 colleges that ranked higher than Maryland in recruiting over that 5 year period. During that period, they finished in the top 5 four of those years and was in the final four in two of the 5 years. I think that explains whether Maryland over or under achieved. I think it shows that they did better with less than any other team out there.
 
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i don't know if I'd call Dawn HORRIBLE---she is great in getting recruits and top level transfers--she has been Geno's assistant in the uSA/oLympiCS and something should have rubbed off. However she hasn't made the top spot in the big dance--why?? i have no clue.
Brenda is tough, recruits like minded talent, won the big prize (once??)---winning it all is difficult few of the 360 or so Div 1 coaches come close--Going back she had Toliver and Coleman and acouple of other top kids--but failed to repeat.
Muffet won once--and has been knocking on the NC door way too many times--why?? She's had the talent she's had the Final 4 experienced kids--to me --she is a great coach--Geno cannot be the only excuse--she's beaten his team a number of times ---some times with the talent she lost to him with/??

Got to be more to this than good coach, great coach, bad coach---I'll leave that analysis to those more expert in WBB than I.


The 3 coaches mentioned above are all great coaches. Some of the very best coaches in the country.

Dawn Staley--look at her team's records in the first 8 years at South Carolina:
2008–09 South Carolina 10–18 2–12 11th
2009–10 South Carolina 14–15 7–9 T–7th
2010–11 South Carolina 18–15 8–8 T–5th
2011–12 South Carolina 25–10 10–6 T–4th
2012–13 South Carolina 25–8 11–5 T–4th
2013–14 South Carolina 29–5 14–2 1st
2014–15 South Carolina 34–3 15–1 T–1st
2015–16 South Carolina 33–2 16–0 1st

Her team's SEC and overall record have improved every single season. That is remarkable. 11th in the SEC to back to back SEC Championships in 8 years, along with 3 straight #1 seeds and a preseason ranking of #1 or #2 going into 2016-17.

Why hasn't she won it yet? It's not easy to turn around a program and win a title. It took Geno ten years, Pat 13, Muffett 14. Dawn has as good a shot as anyone at winning a title the next two years with Wilson in the lineup.


Muffett-knocking on the door too many times without winning? They always have outstanding talent but never an "over the top" type of player. Look at them for the last 6 tournaments:
2011-first team ever to defeat both Tennessee and Connecticut in the NCAA tournament. They were a 2 seed who upset 2 number one seeds and lost a game they definitely could have won against a good but not great Texas A&M team. This was by far their best chance to win it all in the past 6 years.

2012-They faced 39-0 Baylor and gave them a good game until Dev Peters got into foul trouble, then Griner dominated. Odds were stacked against them.

2013-Notre Dame was the biggest overachiever in basketball that season. They had zero business beating UCONN three times. UCONN/Stewart finally played to their potential against ND coupled with poor showings by Diggins/McBride meant there was no chance of another win. This was their 2nd best chance, but even so the odds were still stacked against them.

2014- They faced another 39-0 team and just lost an All American starter. No chance going up against a frontline of Stewart and Dolson.

2015-They faced a 37-1 UCONN team that was essentially an undefeated team minus a fluke loss early in the year. Odds were stacked against them.

2016-Tara worked her magic against Notre Dame and pulled off the massive upset. Even if they made it to the final game, a 38-0 senior led UCONN team was waiting for them. Zero chance.

Muffett's teams made 5 of the last 6 Fours, won the last 2 Big East Championships and is 56-1 against ACC foes. They've accomplished all of this without a #1 overall recruit, and never fielding a team with more than 3 top ten recruits. Now without Stewart in the mix and ND fielding their strongest team on paper, they'll have their best shot to win it all.


Brenda-not my favorite coach by any means, but she's proven her 2006 title isn't just a one hit wonder. That said, what she accomplished in 2006 was remarkable, with 2 freshmen (including their PG), 2 sophomores and a junior in the lineup. Yes, the roster was talented, but there were many teams out there that had as good, if not better talent including Connecticut, Tennessee, Duke, North Carolina, Rutgers, and LSU. They upset a VERY good North Carolina team twice--the same team that handily beat both Tennessee and Connecticut that year, along with 2 wins against Duke. They then went on to beat a Duke team that was one of the deepest teams ever. Props to Frese for that title.

After 3 years of underachieving afterward, she has really showed her worth the last several years. In 2014, Maryland came out of nowhere to go to the Final Four, beating a #1 seed in the regional semi, and knocking off a solid Louisville team in Louisville in the regional final. Yes, they were stomped on by Notre Dame in the Final Four...but Notre Dame was also 37-0. And it's worth noting that her Maryland team was the only team to give ND a good fight in the regular season, so props to MD for that.

In 2015, Maryland was a well oiled machine who cruised to a Final Four before bowing out to Stewart and Co.

In 2016, they lost their PG and were still a top 5 team much of the year. They were upset in the NCAA tournament, but Frese did a really solid job considering the kids she had on her team.

Outside of Alyssa Thomas, I don't know if Maryland has ever had a top 5 recruit on their roster, yet they consistently form very good teams, and players develop nicely over their 4 years. This upcoming season IS their best shot to win it all since the Toliver/Coleman days because they have talent, and more importantly, UCONN is down from how they were a season ago.



Other programs have a lot more "life" to them now that UCONN is back down to earth. Going into the last 3 years, everyone knew a miracle was needed to upset Connecticut. One miracle was granted in the form of the massive Stanford upset. 117 other times, it was a comfortable win for UCONN. Most top program return their best players, so they are excited at the prospect of capitalizing on this opportunity. UCONN should use it as bulletin board material, but the players/program should also take it as a huge compliment as well.
 
The 3 coaches mentioned above are all great coaches. Some of the very best coaches in the country.

Dawn Staley--look at her team's records in the first 8 years at South Carolina:
2008–09 South Carolina 10–18 2–12 11th
2009–10 South Carolina 14–15 7–9 T–7th
2010–11 South Carolina 18–15 8–8 T–5th
2011–12 South Carolina 25–10 10–6 T–4th
2012–13 South Carolina 25–8 11–5 T–4th
2013–14 South Carolina 29–5 14–2 1st
2014–15 South Carolina 34–3 15–1 T–1st
2015–16 South Carolina 33–2 16–0 1st

Her team's SEC and overall record have improved every single season. That is remarkable. 11th in the SEC to back to back SEC Championships in 8 years, along with 3 straight #1 seeds and a preseason ranking of #1 or #2 going into 2016-17.

Why hasn't she won it yet? It's not easy to turn around a program and win a title. It took Geno ten years, Pat 13, Muffett 14. Dawn has as good a shot as anyone at winning a title the next two years with Wilson in the lineup.


Muffett-knocking on the door too many times without winning? They always have outstanding talent but never an "over the top" type of player. Look at them for the last 6 tournaments:
2011-first team ever to defeat both Tennessee and Connecticut in the NCAA tournament. They were a 2 seed who upset 2 number one seeds and lost a game they definitely could have won against a good but not great Texas A&M team. This was by far their best chance to win it all in the past 6 years.

2012-They faced 39-0 Baylor and gave them a good game until Dev Peters got into foul trouble, then Griner dominated. Odds were stacked against them.

2013-Notre Dame was the biggest overachiever in basketball that season. They had zero business beating UCONN three times. UCONN/Stewart finally played to their potential against ND coupled with poor showings by Diggins/McBride meant there was no chance of another win. This was their 2nd best chance, but even so the odds were still stacked against them.

2014- They faced another 39-0 team and just lost an All American starter. No chance going up against a frontline of Stewart and Dolson.

2015-They faced a 37-1 UCONN team that was essentially an undefeated team minus a fluke loss early in the year. Odds were stacked against them.

2016-Tara worked her magic against Notre Dame and pulled off the massive upset. Even if they made it to the final game, a 38-0 senior led UCONN team was waiting for them. Zero chance.

Muffett's teams made 5 of the last 6 Fours, won the last 2 Big East Championships and is 56-1 against ACC foes. They've accomplished all of this without a #1 overall recruit, and never fielding a team with more than 3 top ten recruits. Now without Stewart in the mix and ND fielding their strongest team on paper, they'll have their best shot to win it all.


Brenda-not my favorite coach by any means, but she's proven her 2006 title isn't just a one hit wonder. That said, what she accomplished in 2006 was remarkable, with 2 freshmen (including their PG), 2 sophomores and a junior in the lineup. Yes, the roster was talented, but there were many teams out there that had as good, if not better talent including Connecticut, Tennessee, Duke, North Carolina, Rutgers, and LSU. They upset a VERY good North Carolina team twice--the same team that handily beat both Tennessee and Connecticut that year, along with 2 wins against Duke. They then went on to beat a Duke team that was one of the deepest teams ever. Props to Frese for that title.

After 3 years of underachieving afterward, she has really showed her worth the last several years. In 2014, Maryland came out of nowhere to go to the Final Four, beating a #1 seed in the regional semi, and knocking off a solid Louisville team in Louisville in the regional final. Yes, they were stomped on by Notre Dame in the Final Four...but Notre Dame was also 37-0. And it's worth noting that her Maryland team was the only team to give ND a good fight in the regular season, so props to MD for that.

In 2015, Maryland was a well oiled machine who cruised to a Final Four before bowing out to Stewart and Co.

In 2016, they lost their PG and were still a top 5 team much of the year. They were upset in the NCAA tournament, but Frese did a really solid job considering the kids she had on her team.

Outside of Alyssa Thomas, I don't know if Maryland has ever had a top 5 recruit on their roster, yet they consistently form very good teams, and players develop nicely over their 4 years. This upcoming season IS their best shot to win it all since the Toliver/Coleman days because they have talent, and more importantly, UCONN is down from how they were a season ago.



Other programs have a lot more "life" to them now that UCONN is back down to earth. Going into the last 3 years, everyone knew a miracle was needed to upset Connecticut. One miracle was granted in the form of the massive Stanford upset. 117 other times, it was a comfortable win for UCONN. Most top program return their best players, so they are excited at the prospect of capitalizing on this opportunity. UCONN should use it as bulletin board material, but the players/program should also take it as a huge compliment as well.

Thanks for the history lesson ---no miracle was necessary to up set uConn--to beat uconn it never did take a miracle---apparently--. ND and Depaul had shots at doing it this past year---just could not sustain the effort/pressure/shooting for 2 halves. That's not a miracle---that's conditioning.
I think it exceptionally wonderful that ND, USC, Baylor, Duke, Tn, --if they think as you do--that is super great---As GEno has said in the past--the U C O N N on the Jerseys beat many teams before the game began. Looks like you with your miracle buy into that .

Dawn did not begin with a team as bad as Geno's in 1986/87 --6 years or more before any kind of rating--but thankfully Tenn took on Uconn and the rest is history.

I would have NO respect for you as an uSC fan if you did not protest and protect Dawn. How to Go..
Pardon me--if on this UConn Women's Basketball board--I speak over the top about Geno, Christine, Shea, Marissa, and the entire UCWBB team--I"m a fan of UConn --not a fan of USC, ND, Baylor, Duke, DePaul, etc--but I respect them--...I expect the same is returned for Uconn--and you have.. Thanks.
 
Outside of Alyssa Thomas, I don't know if Maryland has ever had a top 5 recruit on their roster, yet they consistently form very good teams, and players develop nicely over their 4 years.

For clarification purposes:

Crystal Langhorne (HS 2004)
#3 Blue Star
#8 ASGR

Laura Harper
#11 Blue Star
#15 ASGR

Marissa Coleman (HS 2005)
#4 ASGR
#5 Blue Star
#6 All Game Sports

Kristi Toliver (HS 2005)
#9 Blue Star
#14 ASGR
#17 All Game Sports

Marah Strickland (HS 2007)
#8 Blue Star
#9 Hoopgurlz
#22 ASGR

Alyssa Thomas (HS 2010)
#7 Hoopgurlz
#7 ASGR
#28 Blue Star
 
For clarification purposes:

Crystal Langhorne (HS 2004)
#3 Blue Star
#8 ASGR

Laura Harper
#11 Blue Star
#15 ASGR

Marissa Coleman (HS 2005)
#4 ASGR
#5 Blue Star
#6 All Game Sports

Kristi Toliver (HS 2005)
#9 Blue Star
#14 ASGR
#17 All Game Sports

Marah Strickland (HS 2007)
#8 Blue Star
#9 Hoopgurlz
#22 ASGR

Alyssa Thomas (HS 2010)
#7 Hoopgurlz
#7 ASGR
#28 Blue Star

Got me there, thanks for the info. I didn't remember Langhorne and Coleman as being top 5 kids.
 
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This may be lame but give Brenda credit for playing UConn last year and giving UConn a decent game on TV to watch. I saw the game and it was a fun game to watch. A 10 point loss to UConn is respectable and her team played hard that game. In fact that Jones kid ate UConn up. What an impressive performance. Unfortunately she stunk against Washington in the tournament. Go figure.
Jones ran into a player she could not bully or move out of her way and would not back down. Also, she could go to the perimeter and shoot. Jones could not check her out there.
 
The 3 coaches mentioned above are all great coaches. Some of the very best coaches in the country.

Dawn Staley--look at her team's records in the first 8 years at South Carolina:
2008–09 South Carolina 10–18 2–12 11th
2009–10 South Carolina 14–15 7–9 T–7th
2010–11 South Carolina 18–15 8–8 T–5th
2011–12 South Carolina 25–10 10–6 T–4th
2012–13 South Carolina 25–8 11–5 T–4th
2013–14 South Carolina 29–5 14–2 1st
2014–15 South Carolina 34–3 15–1 T–1st
2015–16 South Carolina 33–2 16–0 1st

Her team's SEC and overall record have improved every single season. That is remarkable. 11th in the SEC to back to back SEC Championships in 8 years, along with 3 straight #1 seeds and a preseason ranking of #1 or #2 going into 2016-17.

Why hasn't she won it yet? It's not easy to turn around a program and win a title. It took Geno ten years, Pat 13, Muffett 14. Dawn has as good a shot as anyone at winning a title the next two years with Wilson in the lineup.


Muffett-knocking on the door too many times without winning? They always have outstanding talent but never an "over the top" type of player. Look at them for the last 6 tournaments:
2011-first team ever to defeat both Tennessee and Connecticut in the NCAA tournament. They were a 2 seed who upset 2 number one seeds and lost a game they definitely could have won against a good but not great Texas A&M team. This was by far their best chance to win it all in the past 6 years.

2012-They faced 39-0 Baylor and gave them a good game until Dev Peters got into foul trouble, then Griner dominated. Odds were stacked against them.

2013-Notre Dame was the biggest overachiever in basketball that season. They had zero business beating UCONN three times. UCONN/Stewart finally played to their potential against ND coupled with poor showings by Diggins/McBride meant there was no chance of another win. This was their 2nd best chance, but even so the odds were still stacked against them.

2014- They faced another 39-0 team and just lost an All American starter. No chance going up against a frontline of Stewart and Dolson.

2015-They faced a 37-1 UCONN team that was essentially an undefeated team minus a fluke loss early in the year. Odds were stacked against them.

2016-Tara worked her magic against Notre Dame and pulled off the massive upset. Even if they made it to the final game, a 38-0 senior led UCONN team was waiting for them. Zero chance.

Muffett's teams made 5 of the last 6 Fours, won the last 2 Big East Championships and is 56-1 against ACC foes. They've accomplished all of this without a #1 overall recruit, and never fielding a team with more than 3 top ten recruits. Now without Stewart in the mix and ND fielding their strongest team on paper, they'll have their best shot to win it all.


Brenda-not my favorite coach by any means, but she's proven her 2006 title isn't just a one hit wonder. That said, what she accomplished in 2006 was remarkable, with 2 freshmen (including their PG), 2 sophomores and a junior in the lineup. Yes, the roster was talented, but there were many teams out there that had as good, if not better talent including Connecticut, Tennessee, Duke, North Carolina, Rutgers, and LSU. They upset a VERY good North Carolina team twice--the same team that handily beat both Tennessee and Connecticut that year, along with 2 wins against Duke. They then went on to beat a Duke team that was one of the deepest teams ever. Props to Frese for that title.

After 3 years of underachieving afterward, she has really showed her worth the last several years. In 2014, Maryland came out of nowhere to go to the Final Four, beating a #1 seed in the regional semi, and knocking off a solid Louisville team in Louisville in the regional final. Yes, they were stomped on by Notre Dame in the Final Four...but Notre Dame was also 37-0. And it's worth noting that her Maryland team was the only team to give ND a good fight in the regular season, so props to MD for that.

In 2015, Maryland was a well oiled machine who cruised to a Final Four before bowing out to Stewart and Co.

In 2016, they lost their PG and were still a top 5 team much of the year. They were upset in the NCAA tournament, but Frese did a really solid job considering the kids she had on her team.

Outside of Alyssa Thomas, I don't know if Maryland has ever had a top 5 recruit on their roster, yet they consistently form very good teams, and players develop nicely over their 4 years. This upcoming season IS their best shot to win it all since the Toliver/Coleman days because they have talent, and more importantly, UCONN is down from how they were a season ago.



Other programs have a lot more "life" to them now that UCONN is back down to earth. Going into the last 3 years, everyone knew a miracle was needed to upset Connecticut. One miracle was granted in the form of the massive Stanford upset. 117 other times, it was a comfortable win for UCONN. Most top program return their best players, so they are excited at the prospect of capitalizing on this opportunity. UCONN should use it as bulletin board material, but the players/program should also take it as a huge compliment as well.

I guess the next time --rather than say Dawn is NOT Deplorable--I'll just agree--and you could save 5000 words.
 
Thanks for the history lesson ---no miracle was necessary to up set uConn--to beat uconn it never did take a miracle---apparently--. ND and Depaul had shots at doing it this past year---just could not sustain the effort/pressure/shooting for 2 halves. That's not a miracle---that's conditioning.
I think it exceptionally wonderful that ND, USC, Baylor, Duke, Tn, --if they think as you do--that is super great---As GEno has said in the past--the U C O N N on the Jerseys beat many teams before the game began. Looks like you with your miracle buy into that .

Dawn did not begin with a team as bad as Geno's in 1986/87 --6 years or more before any kind of rating--but thankfully Tenn took on Uconn and the rest is history.

I would have NO respect for you as an uSC fan if you did not protest and protect Dawn. How to Go..
Pardon me--if on this UConn Women's Basketball board--I speak over the top about Geno, Christine, Shea, Marissa, and the entire UCWBB team--I"m a fan of UConn --not a fan of USC, ND, Baylor, Duke, DePaul, etc--but I respect them--...I expect the same is returned for Uconn--and you have.. Thanks.

Notre Dame did not get worn out by UConn; they just weren't anywhere near as good a team as UConn was. A week earlier they had lost Brianna Turner, so they were very thin and less talented up front, whereas UConn had the best front court in the nation. Muffet devised a strategy of trying to win with small ball and considering that ND was out-manned, her strategy worked surprisingly well. UConn won the first half by 2 and the second half by 8. That's not a big difference and I do not think it was due to Notre Dame being poorly conditioned, as you suggest. ND shot 49% for the game, whereas UConn shot 52%. Because of ND's lack of size, they shot from the perimeter, and they shot very well from 3. Of course UConn shot the ball from closer to the basket, and thus had a huge advantage at the FT line (24 FT attempts to ND's 10 FT attempts).

Bballnut is a Tennessee fan, not a South Carolina fan.
 
I agree with your last sentence. However, they call it a Final 4 for a reason. And when UConn are set for one of those spots you basically have only three spots left. Stanford's been very good. Notre Dame has been very good. Baylor had Griner for 4 years. So going to a Final 4 isn't automatic no mater how much talent you have. At least we're not Duke or Tennessee.

Low blow.... but guess I should expect that coming from a turtle :rolleyes:
 
Notre Dame did not get worn out by UConn; they just weren't anywhere near as good a team as UConn was. A week earlier they had lost Brianna Turner, so they were very thin and less talented up front, whereas UConn had the best front court in the nation. Muffet devised a strategy of trying to win with small ball and considering that ND was out-manned, her strategy worked surprisingly well. UConn won the first half by 2 and the second half by 8. That's not a big difference and I do not think it was due to Notre Dame being poorly conditioned, as you suggest. ND shot 49% for the game, whereas UConn shot 52%. Because of ND's lack of size, they shot from the perimeter, and they shot very well from 3. Of course UConn shot the ball from closer to the basket, and thus had a huge advantage at the FT line (24 FT attempts to ND's 10 FT attempts).

Bballnut is a Tennessee fan, not a South Carolina fan.

I didn't say that ND was poorly conditioned or even suggest it---i don't mix words--I said uconn won the second half because they were Conditioned---and they were--no secret here --that's what Geno does he conditions them.
Did you get this direct from muffet or did you have mental telepathy??? FINALLY an ND fan that admits Uconn was/is the better team. Didn't turner play in that game/??? Smart move by Muffet to sit her down and watch Stewie in action--save her for the NCAA's --oh, she lost there too--and NOT to UConn.

I thought that Muffy was among the top coaches---after your posting about that game--i'm losing all respect for her. But we always have GEnO..
 
I didn't say that ND was poorly conditioned or even suggest it---i don't mix words--I said uconn won the second half because they were Conditioned---and they were--no secret here --that's what Geno does he conditions them.
Did you get this direct from muffet or did you have mental telepathy??? FINALLY an ND fan that admits Uconn was/is the better team. Didn't turner play in that game/??? Smart move by Muffet to sit her down and watch Stewie in action--save her for the NCAA's --oh, she lost there too--and NOT to UConn.

I thought that Muffy was among the top coaches---after your posting about that game--i'm losing all respect for her. But we always have GEnO..
You said that UConn played better than ND and DePaul in the second half because they were better conditioned. Isn't that the same thing as saying that ND lacked proper conditioning, i.e., it was at a lower level than UConn's and that hurt the Irish? I assumed that was what you were suggesting. So what were you suggesting then?

What quote/thought did I attribute to Muffet? ND didn't have their center (Turner). Their backup post played only 13 minutes, acquiring 4 fouls. So ND's team was small and they played small ball. I thought that was obvious. Did you see the game?

No, Turner didn't play in the game. As I stated the in post that you quoted, Turner was lost a week before the game. The UConn game was the third game she missed in a 6-game absence due to a shoulder injury.

What in my post led you to lose all respect for Muffet?
 
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I watched that game and was stunned at the lifelessness shown by her players. She wasn't even going crazy. By the beginning of the 4th it seemed MD either knew they were going to lose or knew they were going to come back and steal the game because they showed no pulse.
Yeah, it was surreal how lethargic everyone associated with the Terps seemed until very late in the game.
 
I was wondering if Jeff Walz played a major role in MD's NC. I sort of recall this opinion.
 
I was wondering if Jeff Walz played a major role in MD's NC. I sort of recall this opinion.

As far as I've seen this opinion is derived from 2 sources:
1) Folks don't like Frese. Ergo, let's give someone else credit.
2) Walz drew up the play that sent the game to OT. Since Geno draws up his own plays, thus it must be that he-who-draws-up-plays is the 100% brains behind any operation. Some might say that it's a sign of good leadership to give some key tasks to a coaching team member to help him/her develop, but again, see point #1.

This line of argument would carry more weight, imho, had Frese not taken 2 other teams to the final 4 and had a perennial top 10 team without Walz.
 
This wacky "rehash" thread, and the parallel one addressing speculation over pre-season rankings, are both indicative of the fact that the off-season has gone on too long, and that it's time for questions about the relative strengths of the top teams to be decided between the lines. I have no problem with Brenda's comments...she's a good coach with a good team, same for Dawn, Muffett, Jeff and Kim. Let's see what each of them can produce in what allegedly promises to be a new era of expanded parity (which I would welcome). Any of these teams can be ranked #1 at this point in the season, or during the season, without complaint from me. The only poll that means anything, as always, is the one we'll see in the second week of April.
 
I listened to Coach Geno's show last night. FSU Coach was a guess on Geno's show (call-in). The question of "Parity" came up, and I admire what Coach Sue response was. Coach Sue said "it's not UConn fault, and it's not Geno fault".....it's the other coaches. The other coaches have to make their teams better.

UConn will not lower it's standard, so that teams can take home a trophy.

Notre Dame- Until Muffet McGraw learn how to spell Team, the Irish will not win another Championship. Geno told her after the 2014 Championship, you can't depend on one or two players to win a Championship.

Maryland- Brenda Frese need to understand, you have to coach your team. You can not stand on the sidelines and complain the whole game, and you can't rely on your team to be bullies. The Terps will not win another Championship, until Brenda Frese improve her coaching skills.
 
I listened to Coach Geno's show last night. FSU Coach was a guess on Geno's show (call-in). The question of "Parity" came up, and I admire what Coach Sue response was. Coach Sue said "it's not UConn fault, and it's not Geno fault".....it's the other coaches. The other coaches have to make their teams better.

UConn will not lower it's standard, so that teams can take home a trophy.

Notre Dame- Geno told her after the 2014 Championship, you can't depend on one or two players to win a Championship.
I don't see why Notre Dame can't win it this season. They have had teams that went to the championship game with less talent than this years team.
 
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I don't see why Notre Dame can't win it this season. They have had teams that went to the championship game with less talent than this years team.
Notre Dame will not win another Championship depending on one or two players. Muffet McGraw only Championship was with Ruth Riley, and she was lucky with Ruth. Notre Dame loss the semi-final game in 2013 depending on Skylar Diggins, they loss the Championship 2014 depending on Jewel Lloyd and they loss the Championship 2015 depending on Lindsey Allen and Brianna Turner.
 
Notre Dame will not win another Championship depending on one or two players. Muffet McGraw only Championship was with Ruth Riley, and she was lucky with Ruth. Notre Dame loss the semi-final game in 2013 depending on Skylar Diggins, they loss the Championship 2014 depending on Jewel Lloyd and they loss the Championship 2015 depending on Lindsey Allen and Brianna Turner.
I'm sure Mabrey, Ogunbuwale, Boley and Young will be more than enough to assist. Especially in March and April.

I do agree with you on Brenda. She is more of a rah, rah coach and just average on Xs and Os. But she might have enough talent this season that it may not make a difference. Her top 10 players if healthy might be as good as any in the country. Especially when you talk about the 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th players.
 
I'm sure Mabrey, Ogunbuwale, Boley and Young will be more than enough to assist. Especially in March and April.

I do agree with you on Brenda. She is more of a rah, rah coach and just average on Xs and Os. But she might have enough talent this season that it may not make a difference. Her top 10 players if healthy might be as good as any in the country. Especially when you talk about the 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th players.
Notre Dame in 2013 had Skylar Diggins; Kayla McBride; Natalie Achonwa and Jewel Lloyd, but Muffet McGraw relied on Skylar Diggins. The 2014 Championship, Notre Dame had Jewel Lloyd; Kayla McBride; M. Mabrey; Madison Cable; Reimer; Lindsey Allen and others, but again she relied on Jewel Lloyd. The 2015 Championship, Notre Dame had Lindsey Allen; Reimer; Madison Cable; Brianna Turner; M. Mabrey and others, but she relied on Lindsey Allen and Brianna Turner.
 
Notre Dame in 2013 had Skylar Diggins; Kayla McBride; Natalie Achonwa and Jewel Lloyd, but Muffet McGraw relied on Skylar Diggins. The 2014 Championship, Notre Dame had Jewel Lloyd; Kayla McBride; M. Mabrey; Madison Cable; Reimer; Lindsey Allen and others, but again she relied on Jewel Lloyd. The 2015 Championship, Notre Dame had Lindsey Allen; Reimer; Madison Cable; Brianna Turner; M. Mabrey and others, but she relied on Lindsey Allen and Brianna Turner.
Loyd played in 2015 in her Jr. year. She went to the WNBA that year to be the No. 1 pick.
 
Loyd played in 2015 in her Jr. year. She went to the WNBA that year to be the No. 1 pick.
Lloyd didn't return to Notre Dame for 2014/2015 season. Jewel Lloyd turned pro 2014, and she was the number 1 draft pick. KML graduated 2014, and she was suppose to be the number 1 draft pick, but Lloyd entered the draft.
 
Lloyd didn't return to Notre Dame for 2014/2015 season. Jewel Lloyd turned pro 2014, and she was the number 1 draft pick. KML graduated 2014, and she was suppose to be the number 1 draft pick, but Lloyd entered the draft.
Sorry to tell you but everything you just said is wrong.Hartley and Dolson graduated in 2014 in the only year Uconn was 40-0. It was the 2nd NC for them. KML was injured against Stanford and had Mono and missed alot of time. When she came back from the injured elbow she had 7 3s against Duke. 2014 was only year 2 teams in Div. 1 men or women played for NC with undefeated records. Uconn won 79-58 for the 2014 NC and in the rematch for the 2015 NC the Huskies won 63-53 for a 3rd straight NC with KML leading the way with 15 pts! Diggins 2013, Mcbride 2014 and Loyd 2015.
 
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