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FriarJ said:
Yep here is another take on Goodell lying blatantly. I have skimmed through the testimony and there are multiple problems for the NFL. Here is one example of what we have all been bitching about in Goodell's ruling to uphold the suspension in his ruling document he released to the public he stated that after Brady had never texted Jankowski for months then he had multiple text exchanges with him after the fact and that Brady told him they were only about ball preparation for the SB. Goodell found this unbeleivable in his ruling essentially calling Brady a liar to the press and the public. Now the entire hearing transcript is released and Brady says nothing short of 8 times that he spoke to him also about the deflategate allegations. Brady did this under oath and then Goodell in his ruling completely lied to everybody about what Brady had said, I guess he thought these documents would stay sealed. The guy is an absolute POS.

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/roger-goodell-lied-tom-brady-dishonest/269436
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How is this acceptable to any fan? Even a fan that thinks Brady is guilty? Is it really right to take testimony under oath and to then totally lie about it? This is the NFL. They are totally lying to fans and the general public? How is that fine with everybody?
 
upstater said:
How is this acceptable to any fan? Even a fan that thinks Brady is guilty? Is it really right to take testimony under oath and to then totally lie about it? This is the NFL. They are totally lying to fans and the general public? How is that fine with everybody?
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Yep, that's it in a nutshell, even if you love the fact that the Patriots are getting railroaded, even through all that hate, you have to turn your head in unnatural angles to not have a problem with the NFL's actions here, an essentially all because they refuse to admit they and one of their top executives, Mike Kensil up. I actually could find some humor in it if it wasn't so damn pathetic.
 
Roger Goodell makes about 44 million a year from the nfl. If that wasn't bad enough, he is a tyrant, that seems to think he could do whatever the he wants to and with the players and he pretty much can cause the owners love him because he makes them a ton of money.
 
noeynox said:
Roger Goodell makes about 44 million a year from the nfl. If that wasn't bad enough, he is a tyrant, that seems to think he could do whatever the he wants to and with the players and he pretty much can cause the owners love him because he makes them a ton of money.
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In all fairness you could make the NFL tons of money, the NFL craps millions of dollars every day. What they apparently have though in Goodell is somebody who can take millions of those dollars and spin them into a strawman.
 
upstater said:
How is this acceptable to any fan? Even a fan that thinks Brady is guilty? Is it really right to take testimony under oath and to then totally lie about it? This is the NFL. They are totally lying to fans and the general public? How is that fine with everybody?
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Because they don't like the Patriots. That makes the lies, deception, and unethical behavior okay.

Something that gets pushed to the background is that the NFL (let's pretend something illegal was actually going on) was okay with playing the first half of one of the 3 most important games of the year knowing this. They could have done something pregame to prevent it, but chose not to. Then, leading up to their biggest events of the year, league execs released false information to the media that, along with propping up their sting operation, served as a distraction to one of the Super Bowl participants. I guess that's all part of the Integrity/Protect the Shield playbook.
 
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Bottom line ... the commissioner works for the owners and the owners are tired of the Patriots winning.
 
If you take the time to read the back and forth between Kessler, Brady's attorney, and Wells, the report investigator/writer, you can't avoid the impression that the NFL looks like they approached the investigation with an agenda. Wells is clearly not "independent". I can't conceive of a dispassionate Judge upholding Brady's suspension.

Brady's lawyer asks Wells "So, is all of the info in your report truthful?"
Wells --"I hope so'."
 
Redding Husky said:
The whole thing is just a witch hunt. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Definitely. It is definitely in nfl's best interest to expose that the poster boy super bowl champ qb cheated. Has to be a witch hunt
 
Nostical said:
If you take the time to read the back and forth between Kessler, Brady's attorney, and Wells, the report investigator/writer, you can't avoid the impression that the NFL looks like they approached the investigation with an agenda. Wells is clearly not "independent". I can't conceive of a dispassionate Judge upholding Brady's suspension.

Brady's lawyer asks Wells "So, is all of the info in your report truthful?"
Wells --"I hope so'."
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I think you are interpreting Wells response incorrectly.
 
huskysupporter said:
Definitely. It is definitely in nfl's best interest to expose that the poster boy super bowl champ qb cheated. Has to be a witch hunt
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It's so obvious its a witch hunt that most everyone that thought it was a legitimate charge against Brady has abandoned the discussion. There isn't any argument against Brady at this point and it is unfortunate that the league would tarnish his legacy like this for no good reason. It is twisted and clearly deceitful, kind of like the whole APR/Calhoun thing. If you look at it on the surface you think "guilty" but when you learn the details it stinks to high heaven.
 
Hoophound said:
It's so obvious its a witch hunt that most everyone that thought it was a legitimate charge against Brady has abandoned the discussion. There isn't any argument against Brady at this point and it is unfortunate that the league would tarnish his legacy like this for no good reason.

It is twisted and clearly deceitful, kind of like the whole APR/Calhoun thing. If you look at it on the surface you think "guilty" but when you learn the the details it stinks to high heaven.
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It is not a witch hunt. I think 4 games is too much, but I certainly think he cheated. In grand scheme of things, not a huge deal. Brady will still have a solid legacy, but it will be more like Phil Neikro
 
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Hoophound said:
It's so obvious its a witch hunt that most everyone that thought it was a legitimate charge against Brady has abandoned the discussion. There isn't any argument against Brady at this point and it is unfortunate that the league would tarnish his legacy like this for no good reason.

It is twisted and clearly deceitful, kind of like the whole APR/Calhoun thing. If you look at it on the surface you think "guilty" but when you learn the the details it stinks to high heaven.
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It is not a witch hunt. I think 4 games is too much, but I certainly think he cheated. In grand scheme of things, not a huge deal. Brady will still have a solid legacy, but it will be more like Phil Neikro and Gaylord Perry instead of Sandy Kofax and Greg Maddux.
 
huskysupporter said:
Definitely. It is definitely in nfl's best interest to expose that the poster boy super bowl champ qb cheated. Has to be a witch hunt
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The NFL has been after the Patriots for years. The Pats push the envelope, they don't play well with others, and they don't play the parity game.
 
Redding Husky said:
The NFL has been after the Patriots for years. The Pats push the envelope, they don't play well with others, and they don't play the parity game.
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Yes, the nfl hates winners.
 
This situation reinforces the fact that no matter how skilled or famous or highly paid you are, if you draw a paycheck from someone, at the end of the day you are still just the help.
 
huskysupporter said:
Definitely. It is definitely in nfl's best interest to expose that the poster boy super bowl champ qb cheated. Has to be a witch hunt
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It's a poker game.

As you up the ante, you can't back out.

You lose everything. So bigger and bigger bluffs, bigger and bigger guns. Scorched earth.
 
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huskysupporter said:
It is not a witch hunt. I think 4 games is too much, but I certainly think he cheated. In grand scheme of things, not a huge deal. Brady will still have a solid legacy, but it will be more like Phil Neikro
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I don't blame you for not paying attention.

But there are major news organs all over the country talking about the NFL's frame job. NY Times, multiple writers at the Washington Post, NBCs football, Peter King, New York Daily News, Sports Illustrated, etc.

There are writers at the Dallas Morning News who are saying Goodell is a liar and not to be trusted.

You're insane with that Niekro comparison. batshit crazy
 
upstater said:
I don't blame you for not paying attention.

But there are major news organs all over the country talking about the NFL's frame job. NY Times, multiple writers at the Washington Post, NBCs football, Peter King, New York Daily News, Sports Illustrated, etc.

There are writers at the Dallas Morning News who are saying Goodell is a liar and not to be trusted.

You're insane with that Niekro comparison. bat crazy
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Why is the comparison crazy? Phil Neikro is a hall of fame player who doctored balls, Tom Brady is a hall of fame player who doctored balls.
 
huskysupporter said:
Why is the comparison crazy? Phil Neikro is a hall of fame player who doctored balls, Tom Brady is a hall of fame player who doctored balls.
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1. He didn't doctor balls.
2. He won 4 championships.
3. He's the best ever at his position.
 
upstater said:
1. He didn't doctor balls.
2. He won 4 championships.
3. He's the best ever at his position.
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1. Yes he did
2. Yes he did
3. No he is not. Before his cheating I would definitely put him in top 3. Now he moves down into the top 10.
 
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huskysupporter said:
1. Yes he did
2. Yes he did
3. No he is not. Before his cheating I would definitely put him in top 3. Now he moves down into the top 10.
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Who is top 3? Don't say Montana. All the 49ers were wearing stick'em, especially Jerry Rice.

Also, what proof do you have he doctored balls?

Also, lastly, anyone who thinks a football with 1 PSI less has any relation to a spit/goo ball throwing knuckler is out of his mind and doesn't know much about these two sports. Sports Science showed that over 60 yards, a ball with 1 more PSI will travel a quarter inch farther and a split second sooner. That's the difference over 60 yards. A goo'd up knuckler is dancng all over the place and is hard to hit.

Are you serious with this comparison?
 
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