OT: Brady likely knew

[CL82]

Kraft said that while not happy with the report, he will accept whatever penalties the NFL sets.

Surprising. On a quick glance it seems to reach a bit.

 

[upstater]

Nah, great quarterback but proven cheater. Just be happy Carroll lost his mind and gifted you another Super Bowl.

Super Bowls are won when crazy things happen. If that weren't the case, the Seahawks arent even anywhere near the red zone, and the Patriots beat the Giants twice.

 

[upstater]

I wonder if investigators found anything out about upstater in their investigations, it's frightening how much of a Brady stalker he is.

Hah! Hilarious!!!

 

[upstater]

you have no earthly idea if what you are saying is fact, not one shred of evidence on who did what first. I'm simply going on numbers.

It's a fact that air comes out when you put in the gauge.

Given that, isn't it the likeliest explanation for one guy having both the highest and the lowest set of scores on different sets of balls? Otherwise, you're saying he was in on some sort of conspiracy to set up the Patriots.

I know people have disregarded pretty basic stuff throughout this nonsense (like pressure loss, air coming out when testing with a gauge) but I think it's eminently reasonable to say that footballs lose pressure and that they lose air when tested.

By the way, the gauges are electronic.

 

[upstater]

All starting qbs know. Now it will no longer be customary. No more gentlemen's agreement.
Some one will complain about use of retractable stadium roofs for inclement weather.
It was a weeny move by the whistleblower.

Brady even said in his presser that he knows the exact pressure he likes and he asks the attendant to set it. What hasn't been shown is whether the attendant messes with it during the game. One of the report tweets is hilarious since it comes back with the ball attendant saying the refs altered the balls outside of the NFL's rules.

 

[upstater]

Somewhere in Paris, when word of this report came out:

[Elaine is kissing with a guy. He stops. She keeps kissing him, then stops.]
Elaine: what is it?
Boyfriend: Oh, it's this patient.
Elaine (sighing): Again?
Boyfriend: I'm fairly certain. I forgot to leave him an extra prescription for his medication.
Elaine: Well, so, he can live without his Valium for a couple of days.
Boyfriend: Nah, you don't understand. He could be dangerous.

More Super Bowls than anyone evah! And not with an arsenal of WRs.

 

[UCPusky]

Report states Brady likely knew, in a general way, that air was missing. Neither Coach B or Pats management knew anything in all likelihood.

Any mention of the balls being inflated in the Texas School Book Depository and then shipped to Foxboro for the game?

 

[mets1090]

My only question is why Pats fans so consistently get their panties in a bunch over people talking about Brady instead of letting the rings do the talking. The only successful team I follow is UConn basketball and when people try to talk like Program XYZ is better than UConn I just laugh. Sometimes there is an argument, other times it's an absurd claim. Who cares though? UConn has 4 rings since 1999 so they can blow it out their asses as far as I'm concerned.

 

[upstater]

My only question is why Pats fans so consistently get their panties in a bunch over people talking about Brady instead of letting the rings do the talking. The only successful team I follow is UConn basketball and when people try to talk like Program XYZ is better than UConn I just laugh. Sometimes there is an argument, other times it's an absurd claim. Who cares though? UConn has 4 rings since 1999 so they can blow it out their asses as far as I'm concerned.

Let me guess why. The first thing is that people haven't discussed this since January.

Then they started discussing it today.

Probably because the NFL released a report today calling Brady a liar and a cheater.

 

[Yawkey Way]

The NFL will allow the refs to throw a flag this year if the ref believes a player " probably " made an infraction. For example, if a ref doesn't see an offsides take place on the far side, but he has a hunch that a player there "probably"went off sides over there, that ref can throw a flag and penalize that team.

 

[superjohn]

Upstater, my question to you is who cares that Brady is a liar and a cheater? He's won 4 Super Bowls and the NFL isn't going to take them away.

 

[Adios]

No NFL player ever lied? The deflating thing, as made clear by HoF QBs, is nothing new.

 

[Dooley]

Any report on who knew what in Cincinnati with pumping in crowd noise?

 

[BNich]

Who's the next Aaron Hernandez?

 

[bmayuc]

@upstater, if you can look at that text message evidence, which is beyond convincing, and that presser where Brady said he "absolutely" did not have anything to do with it, and think Brady isn't an outright liar/cheater, you are delusional.

in an alternate universe where Brady comes out after the super bowl and just cleanly admits it and says: 'yea, everyone does it, I do it too'. He would probably be revered by sports fans as a truth teller. Now, he's the guy who's throwing a couple nobodies under the bus and strait up lying to the public and the league as if everyone were idiots.

I might be getting this wrong, but maybe you are just a contrarian?

Though that would not surprise me. Weren't you the big Penn State booster during that scandal too or am I getting that one wrong?

 

[huskypantz]

@upstater, if you can look at that text message evidence, which is beyond convincing, and that presser where Brady said he "absolutely" did not have anything to do with it, and think Brady isn't an outright liar/cheater, you are delusional.

in an alternate universe where Brady comes out after the super bowl and just cleanly admits it and says: 'yea, everyone does it, I do it too'. He would probably be revered by sports fans as a truth teller. Now, he's the guy who's throwing a couple nobodies under the bus and strait up lying to the public and the league as if everyone were idiots.

I might be getting this wrong, but maybe you are just a contrarian?

Though that would not surprise me. Weren't you the big Penn State booster during that scandal too or am I getting that one wrong?

I just read the text messages. Pretty obvious that:

• The involved parties knew it was illegal
• It spanned multiple seasons
• Brady was orchestrating
• Brady was giving kickbacks for the service

Brady's definitely taking the fall for this. I don't believe there is a precedence but he deserves a suspension.

 

[freescooter]

If I got a report like that from an intern I'd send it back. To quote Archie Bunker"probably you did can also mean probably you didn't. That's the way it is with a word like probably.

 

[bmayuc]

If I got a report like that from an intern I'd send it back. To quote Archie Bunker"probably you did can also mean probably you didn't. That's the way it is with a word like probably.

Fortunately, that probably is more than enough, given the burden of proof the NFL requires for disciplinary actions since 7 seasons ago. Brady will spend a good, long time benched, I believe. Even though it is comically stupid and borderline insignificant, he directly and intentionally subverted the written rules that are meant to protect the integrity of the game, and then flat lied about it to the public, to the NFL, etc.

Hammer time.

 

[Chin Diesel]

I'll reiterate what I said when the story broke.

This isn't any different than when George Brett got caught with the pine tar. Up until a few years ago there wasn't any standard psi on the footballs. Once it was implemented there was a gentleman's agreement that each QB can customize the footballs to his liking. That went for scuffing them up and inflating to the psi of the QB's liking.

The NFL never cared and the players never cared. As long as each team's QB could customize the football it was no harm, no foul. Once the story broke the NFL had to pretend it cared. Much like the home plate ump when he put Brett's bat across the plate. So long as no one brought it up, no one was going to preemptively take action.

Next.

 

[upstater]

LOL. From the Wells report: "According to Brady, at some point after the Jets game and before the game against the Chicago Bears the following weekend, he asked to see a copy of the applicable Playing Rule, learned for the first time that the permissible inflation range was 12.5 to 13.5 psi, and was told that the Patriots typically inflated game balls slightly above 12.5 psi. Brady also stated that, at some point, he felt a football that was inflated to 12.5 psi, and decided that should be the target for all future games because he did “not ever want to get near the upper range again.” In addition, Brady stated that he suggested that the Patriots give the game officials a copy of Rule 2 when they delivered game balls prior to each game, so that the officials would know that it was not necessary to inflate them further."

The whole reason, according to Wells, that they had this discussion, is that after the ball guys gave the refs the balls, they inflated them way beyond the legal amount. Brady complained to his ball guy and the guy measured the balls at 16 PSI--the next day. So Brady told him to tell the officials to stop overinflating the ball. This goes along with Aaron Rodgers' complaints as well.

The person above saying Brady was paying off the guys doesn't even realize that they were joking about the fact that Brady had tipped all the staff members with shoes and stuff, except for the ballguy McNally, who is a part-timer, 8 days a year. That's why he was calling for tix to Celtics-Lakers and shoes, etc. It was a joke.

 

[Huskygamble19]

Big ##ing deal. AAron Rodgers says he likes the football overinflated. Where does that leave him. I am sure they all have the ball inflated to their liking. wish they would waste their time on more important things like dumping that jerk Goodell.

 

[uconnric]

Obviously Brady is one of the NFL's all-time great qb's. But deflategate will always follow his legacy, and it should. That's what happens when you cheat.

 

[Palatine]

Not a surprise, the cheating stench of the Patriots never has left their tainted wins.

 

[Adios]

Just because the cheating of other teams has not been exposed. It's like saying Republicans never lie but Democrats always do.

Barely tainted. 4 Super Bowls!

 

[Redding Husky]

My only question is why Pats fans so consistently get their panties in a bunch over people talking about Brady instead of letting the rings do the talking. The only successful team I follow is UConn basketball and when people try to talk like Program XYZ is better than UConn I just laugh. Sometimes there is an argument, other times it's an absurd claim. Who cares though? UConn has 4 rings since 1999 so they can blow it out their asses as far as I'm concerned.

Because the criticism of the Pats is selective. There are hundreds (thousands?) of stories of gamesmanship in the NFL. For example, Jerry Rice admitted he applied glue to his hands throughout his career, even though it was banned a decade before he entered the league. I could go on and on. And there was no media feeding frenzy about those situations.

But with Brady and the Pats ... the media, the fans, and the league are foaming at the mouth like rabid dogs trying to take them down. I don't ever recall a media orgy like this, and I've followed sports since the late 1960's.