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HooperScooper said:
They have officials all over the place to make sure all walkers have one foot on the ground at all times.
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It’s like the first movie ever created!
 

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the walking event should be abolished. probably would have been if not for political influence by the few states doing sports washing with the olympics etc.
 
ec33 said:
China does the bare minimum with drug testing to keep WADA off their back. The Chinese swim team is full of prior offenders.

Color me skeptical.
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I assume most athletes at the Olympic level are on stuff but he doesn't exactly have the juiced look that many of them do. Doesn't mean he isn't/wasn't on something but this isn't exactly like Lance Armstrong being a top 50 guy in the Tour de France and then all of a sudden dominating everyone.


He swam a 47.65 over 2 years ago as a 17 year old and broke 47 seconds as an 18 year old.
 
AZHuskiePop said:
That would have been a one in million shot by a professional photographer years ago.
Today it was probably shot by a teenager with an iphone..
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The tv commentators said that the photographer only got four shots and was incredibly lucky that this was one of them. That’s a great picture!

China has excelled at diving for years but the synchronized female divers who waltzed to gold yesterday were unbelievable.
 
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Kitaman said:
What sports are you watching or looking forward to watching?

I've always been track and field, but damn there are so many new sports its practically impossible to keep up.

I did find the water polo fascinating, not knowing that the athletes must stay above water (feet not touching the floor) at all times. They have to be among the best conditioned athletes in the games.

I wonder if there are any storylines to watch, similar to Biles return.
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I “thought” the pool was 12’ deep for water polo. Just to make sure no one could touch.
 
auror said:
Honestly I was pretty flabbergasted because that guy DOESN'T look crazy jacked. And he doesn't as much have the weird Phelps swimmer body that literally all of them have (like Marchand), yet he just crushed them all.
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Great drugs.
 
superjohn said:
I assume most athletes at the Olympic level are on stuff but he doesn't exactly have the juiced look that many of them do. Doesn't mean he isn't/wasn't on something but this isn't exactly like Lance Armstrong being a top 50 guy in the Tour de France and then all of a sudden dominating everyone.


He swam a 47.65 over 2 years ago as a 17 year old and broke 47 seconds as an 18 year old.
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Yeah, been doping for years.
 
cwh20 said:
The tv commentators said that the photographer only got four shots and was incredibly lucky that this was one of them. That’s a great picture!

China has excelled at diving for years but the synchronized female divers who waltzed to gold yesterday were unbelievable.
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oh wow, you guys are serious. That is a real actual photo of someone when they were surfing. I thought that was photoshopped.
 
superjohn said:
I assume most athletes at the Olympic level are on stuff but he doesn't exactly have the juiced look that many of them do. Doesn't mean he isn't/wasn't on something but this isn't exactly like Lance Armstrong being a top 50 guy in the Tour de France and then all of a sudden dominating everyone.


He swam a 47.65 over 2 years ago as a 17 year old and broke 47 seconds as an 18 year old.
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He shattered the world record in a poorly constructed pool that has provided no other world records (although some Olympic records). It could be for real, but until China starts real drug enforcement any accomplishment by a China swimmer should be taken with more than a single grain of salt.

It is the cost of shady business.

I am a big Tadej Pogacar fan. He seems like a great guy and he makes the sport fun to watch. But when a cyclist does "unbelievable" things, there is a track record of those accomplishment being unnatural. Then again, maybe he is great talent in an era when nutritionists finally made the shocking discovery that if you are going to burn 3000 calories climbing a mountain, you should eat 3000 calories before you climb the mountain -- and now you get all-time great results.
 
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dvegas said:
No man wins the 100 meter free at the Olympics by a second, it's like winning the 100 meter dash by a quarter second.

Also, LOL the ACC trying to take credit for Katy Ledecky's medals (she swam for Stanford from 2016-2018)

The ACC hilariously tried to claim Stanford alum Katie Ledecky
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So silly of the ACC. They have Virginia who dominates women's collegiate swimming at the moment and NC State is a top producer of talent. They don't need to falsely claim PAC glory.

But hey , they have women's swimming truly covered now with the Pacific coast Atlantic Coast Conference additions.

And for the record, Ledecky currently trains at Florida. SEC, SEC. It just means more.
 
the whole anti doping system is designed in a way that assumes states are operating on the level and effective at supervision of athletes, who may potentially cheat. this is a western model.

with state doping programs this entire system is less than useless, since the states enforcement entities provide cover for the programmatic cheating.

u.s. does have a lot of dopers and also hand on scale enforcement or lack thereof, but not the level of theatre found in state directed doping programs.

only solution is an intelligence one and that's how rus got busted. china is far less penetrable. but they do share the research and so on. trimetazidine notably taken by russian skater who got banned in 2022.
 
Umami Zen said:
We all know how high a BB hoop is. Watching Biles floor routine last night'-and as tall as she is(4'8")--She was measured at getting 11'8'' verticality on one of her tumbling/flipping sequences as part of her last routine. Square above the rim on backboards is 18" high. Do the math.

Crazy athleticism.. Male or female. Calf muscle was taped-not 100%
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You do know that the floor has springs in it right? Not sure what that adds... 2 ft given that best running verticals ever are 50"-ish?
It would be interesting to measure gymnasts vertical jumps vs basketball players (maybe volleyball too).

If they could really jump 11'8" they'd all walk over to the track after the gymnastics and cruise to high jump medals :)
 
How apropos that I just started a prescription of steroids earlier today after a bee sting swole up my left ankle.

My in-laws were in town when the opening ceremony started, so I've been watching the Olympics every day since then. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like this is the best produced summer olympics on a TV standpoint ever and Paris has done an excellent job too.

Swimming, gymnastics, track and field are my favorites. Over the last few summers, I've occasionally volunteered to keep score for my nephews' and niece's water polo games, so now I understand the game a bit, I was more interested in it this year.
 
ec33 said:
So silly of the ACC. They have Virginia who dominates women's collegiate swimming at the moment and NC State is a top producer of talent. They don't need to falsely claim PAC glory.
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Probably took their cue from Rutgers when they touted the combined NBA salaries of their "players" under their coaches (Pikell at UConn). So we should just claim Kate Douglass & the Walsh sisters as our own, since they trained at Chelsea Piers in Stamford ;) :p
 
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Favorite Olympic sport is track and field - love watching Sydney McLaughlin ale done run, and always be classy. Not like the 100 sprinters. Just pure class.
 
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Dogdeacon said:
You do know that the floor has springs in it right? Not sure what that adds... 2 ft given that best running verticals ever are 50"-ish?
It would be interesting to measure gymnasts vertical jumps vs basketball players (maybe volleyball too).

If they could really jump 11'8" they'd all walk over to the track after the gymnastics and cruise to high jump medals :)
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I do know that the floors have springs in them-primarily for the safety of the athletes on their landings vs performance enhancing benefits. I'm sure there are those benefits as well.To what degree? Don't know.

Per @Kitaman's original post/comments- I was looking forward to Biles return and her performance(s). I find it quite amazing that someone 4'8'' can reach a running vertical measured at around 12'6''(telecast estimate last night) with or without floors with springs. As a matter of fact-The commentators last night referenced the Biles vertical of 12'6'' as compared to a LeBron James break away dunk where his vertical would have to be measured at 14'5'' to be the equivalent (with or without springy court) of hers. Their math-not mine. Maybe that's why quite a few of the NBA players participating in the Olympics were in the stands videotaping Biles floor exercise on their cell phones. (Curry/Holliday/Durant/James to name a few)

Looking forward to track and field in the next few days.
 
ec33 said:
He shattered the world record in a poorly constructed pool that has provided no other world records (although some Olympic records). It could be for real, but until China starts real drug enforcement any accomplishment by a China swimmer should be taken with more than a single grain of salt.

It is the cost of shady business.

I am a big Tadej Pogacar fan. He seems like a great guy and he makes the sport fun to watch. But when a cyclist does "unbelievable" things, there is a track record of those accomplishment being unnatural. Then again, maybe he is great talent in an era when nutritionists finally made the shocking discovery that if you are going to burn 3000 calories climbing a mountain, you should eat 3000 calories before you climb the mountain -- and now you get all-time great results.
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pogacar's performance can be explained by a combination of talent of a particular type and his training/fueling situation, which was badly out of date. he stagnated on climbing performance under the bad training under inigo san millan for a few years, so when he switched to a program that actually has the intensity level, he had a lot of catch up performance to gain. it looks otherworldly because of the long stagnation beforehand. the other thing is heat training which gives a temporary performance boost similar to altitude, on the order of 5-8% in some cases. he'll probably keep improving at the rate of the visma trendline after his catchup growth is done with, as he's still young enough.

the fueling is also extremely big for endurance sports. it affects recovery a great deal as well. the lack of recovery for pogacar in 2022-2023 didn't fit with his level of recovery in 2021, and it's probably just fueling and intensity related. he was underfueled for key stages in both years and the difference can be 1-2 minutes per 10km of climbing.
 
ec33 said:
He shattered the world record in a poorly constructed pool that has provided no other world records (although some Olympic records). It could be for real, but until China starts real drug enforcement any accomplishment by a China swimmer should be taken with more than a single grain of salt.

It is the cost of shady business.

I am a big Tadej Pogacar fan. He seems like a great guy and he makes the sport fun to watch. But when a cyclist does "unbelievable" things, there is a track record of those accomplishment being unnatural. Then again, maybe he is great talent in an era when nutritionists finally made the shocking discovery that if you are going to burn 3000 calories climbing a mountain, you should eat 3000 calories before you climb the mountain -- and now you get all-time great results.
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The thing with swimmers and moden technology is it should he relatively easy to see what he is doing relative to the rest of the field.
Is he moving his arms faster and getting more strokes per second? Look at his kick for differences. Is he just moving more water with his hands as he pulls through the water? How does he porpoise through the water when he starts the race? What is his reaction time off the block? How far does he push off the block?
Since he is of "normal" proportions he has to be doing something different.
They do the overlap of 40 yard sprints at the NFL combine to show how to players' runs compare to each other.
Doing it for swimming shouldn't be hard to do.
 
ec33 said:
He shattered the world record in a poorly constructed pool that has provided no other world records (although some Olympic records). It could be for real, but until China starts real drug enforcement any accomplishment by a China swimmer should be taken with more than a single grain of salt.

It is the cost of shady business.
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Maybe he ate a steroid-loaded baguette before his swim. Chinese athletes seem to have a recurring problem of accidentally ingesting foods laced with anabolic steroids. :rolleyes:
 
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the drug they tested positive for is for heart failure patients not cows. it's for aerobic/cardio performance
 
I just shut off my TV in frustration 40 minutes ago after Morocco just made the score 3-0 vs the USA men in the quarterfinals in soccer, SMH. Morocco was picking apart USA and piecing them up.

My summer has been fun and enjoyable when I remove USA men's soccer from it.

I just hope USA does not embarrass themselves in 2026 in the World Cup here on home soil. Nothing this summer gave me excitement for 2026, in fact, in terms of soccer I hope time moves very slowly towards the World Cup.
 
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gsmooth said:
I just shut off my TV in frustration 40 minutes ago after Morocco just made the score 3-0 vs the USA men in the quarterfinals in soccer, SMH. Morocco was picking apart USA and piecing them up.

My summer has been fun and enjoyable when I remove USA men's soccer from it.

I just hope USA does not embarrass themselves in 2026 in the World Cup here on home soil. Nothing this summer gave me excitement for 2026, in fact, in terms of soccer I hope time moves very slowly towards the World Cup.
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4-0 final.

Were you actually expecting something different? It's US men's soccer.
 
I find myself enjoying all of the velodrome events. It's one of those sports I only watch every 4 years.
 
superjohn said:
4-0 final.

Were you actually expecting something different? It's US men's soccer.
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And the Olympic team was not the real USMNT. The USMNT team can't even do well so how were the 2nd tier guys they sent to the Olympics expected to do well?
 
superjohn said:
4-0 final.

Were you actually expecting something different? It's US men's soccer.
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Yeah I was expecting something different. Was I expecting a win? Maybe, but not really. I definitely was not expecting Morocco to demolish and crush them.
 
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