Olympic women's basketball tournament (5x5) (SPOILER ALERT)
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The second quarter was the best they played. D was better and they moved the ball. But it’s hard to have anything work smooth with the level of physicality they allow now. It’s off the charts. I’m not happy it’s evolved to this. Instead of seeing team work, nice plays and talented players it’s like a bunch of animals scratching and clawing for the ball. Just not satisfying to watch.
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Stewart took 3 more shots than Wilson and led the team in shot attempts?
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IF Nigeria was able to add Chiney and Nneka Ogwumike as well as Elizabeth Williams would they be considered the favorites to win the next Olympic Gold Medal Game? Chiney is already eligible to play for Nigeria
If the Ogwumike sisters join the Nigera team, I would expect that Arike Ogunbowale would also join the team.
If the Ogwumike sisters join the Nigera team, I would expect that Arike Ogunbowale would also join the team.
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If we are dealing with alternate realities, than maybe Nigeria would be this uber talented team that doesn't play to it's potential unlike this close scrappy unit we see today
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She played 2 freakin minutes, I bet you were chomping at the bit to make that comment. Lets put this Ogwumike crap behind us and just watch the games. Enough is enough!!
Very sloppy game against Nigeria who pressed all game long. USA was up by more than 20 at one point but Nigeria was very physical and quicker to the ball than us. Bird had 11 assists, several in a row when the USA went on a run. D had 10 points in the first half but didn't score after that. Wilson played great. Our bigs made a lot of turnovers. There were stretches of good chemistry and high level basketball and also periods of disjointed play. Our inside game is overwhelming but after Sue there is no true point. Gray played well in the last 3 minutes but is still dribbling way too much, just not a pure point. All in all, it was a different team with Sue and D out there together.
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Don't forget their issues shooting 2 pointers too. This was a struggle the whole game.
Their ball movement was excellent yesterday. Their pick and rolls were excellent catching Canada defensively throughout the game.
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I completely agree, the offence flows when Sue is out there, and she gets the ball to the Bigs. The outside shooting is really bad, so the major problem as I see it is that when Sue is on the bench nobody wants to play PG. They are all looking for their own shot, and the Bigs are not getting involved enough. Between Stewart, Wilson, Griner, Charles and Fowels, we have the best collection of Bigs in the world. With our poor 3 Pt shooting, the bulk of their scoring has to be in the paint, so what we need is a guard besides Sue to step up and take over the duties of a pure PG and get the ball inside. Maybe Dawn has to suit up and play.
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25 turnovers for a USA women's basketball team?
Something has changed. Cosmic shift.
Something has changed. Cosmic shift.
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A lot by the bigs but far too many from our guards. There is only one point guard on this team and she is 41 years old. We had Lindsay Whalen 5 years ago who spelled Sue and created her own form of chaos. Loyd, Gray, Skylar, Atkins, are nowhere near a true point.
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Hey. I will take the "W". Always room for improvement. Use this game as a measuring stick. Props to Team Nigeria!! Holy smokes! If they can play like this the rest of the tournament, they gonna shock a team or two. Loved their "Fear" mindset. But they were playing Team USA. So we tend to bring out the best in teams. Good to see D out there on the floor. We definitely need her attitude and leadership out there.
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Our next game is against Japan on Friday.
Same time...12:40 AM...that is EDT...on USA Network.
I am assuming there will be a replay of that game Friday afternoon by USA Network...similar to what they will do with a replay of the Nigeria game this afternoon [Tuesday at 4:15.]
Last pool play game is Monday August 2 and then the medal games later that week.
Same time...12:40 AM...that is EDT...on USA Network.
I am assuming there will be a replay of that game Friday afternoon by USA Network...similar to what they will do with a replay of the Nigeria game this afternoon [Tuesday at 4:15.]
Last pool play game is Monday August 2 and then the medal games later that week.
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The US team has plenty of problems, but it's hard to extrapolate too much from the Nigeria game because Nigeria is very unlike any other team. One might describe their playing style as frantic on acid. I give them kudos for their high energy swarming, and for taking advantage for the extreme amount of physical contact that apparently is allowable in FIBA play.
I'll be interested to see how Nigeria does against Japan and France. I personally would be surprised if they win either game, but who knows.
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The dilemma is that Taurasi is probably the second best point guard on the team, but you really want to play her and Sue together because of their wonderful synergy. So they are usually on the bench at the same time.
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A'ja Wilson and unless I am mistaken Stewart was pretty good too.
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Stewart was not yet Stewart but definitely Aja. I am very impressed by her competitiveness and mindset.
Exactly, although Dawn bridged the gap at times and put Sue back in alone with Gray when it got close again. I don't understand how they picked this team.
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The term “helter-skelter” came to mind when thinking about Nigeria’s style. The US team was definitely bothered by the Nigerian defenders. If Nigeria plays with the same amount of energy as they brought to the US game they could cause problems for France.
As for the US, I’m not liking what I’m seeing. Right now, I just hope they look better against Japan.
How can anyone like it? We have 4 guards who look to score first, one point guard who is 41 years old but still the GOAT, and a GOAT at the 2 who is just now returning from injury. We have bigs that have hands problems, that are forced to make passes, usually bad because the guards don't, we don't hustle for the ball until the 3rd quarter, and our bench gave up a 20 point lead. The 2016 team beats this team by 20.
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It seemed like for every defensive rebound we got there was a foul on Nigeria that wasn't called. They obviously allow a lot more contact on the hands and body. It was probably what Nika was talking about when she said she had to get used to the American referees. It doesn't suit us well.
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I think of all our Posts, Fowles (and Wilson) is best suited to handle the mauling. Her minutes should go up while BG should go down.
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It will be interesting to see how this team develops as the Olympics move forward. Nigeria does play a very difficult style that is very physical and they are quick and aggressive. But this is the same USA team who beat Nigeria by 30 not long ago in the exhibition game in Vegas.
We outscored them 27-12 in Q2 and 28-18 in Q3. I couldn't find the +/-, and the starters were in most of Q1 when Nigeria caused all kinds of problems. It took the team a while to settle down.
To Nigeria's credit, the fought hard the entire game. For all the applause for the post players, the number of O-boards the Nigerians got in Q4 was mystifying. While we out-rebounded them, they had more O-bards than USA - 19-16.
Collier looked lost. Fowles and Charles did some good things, but also were a sloppy mess at times. The only guard who played well not named Dee or Sue was Jewell, and she was a pest on defense too. Sure Chelsea Gray had a few nice "contested shots", but as for "running the offense", she was not good at all. Poor entry passes, mostly poor decisions with the ball (except for scoring on a few shots), and not a good back up for Sue at this point.
Not sure what Diggins did, but she didn't seem to be in the game long enough to impact anything. Against a "weaker team" like Nigeria, Collier and Atkins barely got any playing time so it was really 10 deep, and given how Gray and Diggins did, it was just about 8 deep.
The 2016 team was actually guard heavy with Bird, Dee, Whalen as Sue's backup, Angel, Siemone, and then Maya and Elena as well. Angel was tenacious on defense, Siemone had the most wicked midrange maybe ever, and EDD was, well, EDD.
I'm not sure this team necessarily has the "wrong" players as guards, but the lack of experience and inability to fully grasp the TEAM concept, Gray, Diggins, Collier and Atkins simply not bring anything close to what Whalen, Siemone, and Angel did back in 2016. It also doens't help that this team has so many new members who have not had the time to practice with each other.
And by the way, not only were Sue and Dee by far the best guards on team USA (followed by Jewell for honorable mention), but their defense was not a liability one single bit. They might be a step slower than their younger counterparts against a super quick Nigerian team, but let's just put the comments about defensive liabilities to rest once and for all. Anyone who watched the game couldn't have any complaints about Sue/Dee on the defensive end.
I really think Dawn has a ton of work to do. The passing from Gray and Diggins was substandard. It was not helped by butterfingered post players, but even when they tried to pass the ball back out, the guards would often stop moving, or move too late, so there was not an open player to get the ball to.
This team can still win it all of course. They won with great games from Sue and A'ja, good games from BG, Dee and Jewell, and a substandard shooting game from Stewie. Tina and Sylvia had some very good moments, but as i said before, also some terribly sloppy and messy moments. I hope they get it together.
Last comment. I don't mean to sound all "know it all-y" - obviously all just IMHO, and I'm not even one of the smarter hoops minds on the BY. So just my $.02.
We outscored them 27-12 in Q2 and 28-18 in Q3. I couldn't find the +/-, and the starters were in most of Q1 when Nigeria caused all kinds of problems. It took the team a while to settle down.
To Nigeria's credit, the fought hard the entire game. For all the applause for the post players, the number of O-boards the Nigerians got in Q4 was mystifying. While we out-rebounded them, they had more O-bards than USA - 19-16.
Collier looked lost. Fowles and Charles did some good things, but also were a sloppy mess at times. The only guard who played well not named Dee or Sue was Jewell, and she was a pest on defense too. Sure Chelsea Gray had a few nice "contested shots", but as for "running the offense", she was not good at all. Poor entry passes, mostly poor decisions with the ball (except for scoring on a few shots), and not a good back up for Sue at this point.
Not sure what Diggins did, but she didn't seem to be in the game long enough to impact anything. Against a "weaker team" like Nigeria, Collier and Atkins barely got any playing time so it was really 10 deep, and given how Gray and Diggins did, it was just about 8 deep.
The 2016 team was actually guard heavy with Bird, Dee, Whalen as Sue's backup, Angel, Siemone, and then Maya and Elena as well. Angel was tenacious on defense, Siemone had the most wicked midrange maybe ever, and EDD was, well, EDD.
I'm not sure this team necessarily has the "wrong" players as guards, but the lack of experience and inability to fully grasp the TEAM concept, Gray, Diggins, Collier and Atkins simply not bring anything close to what Whalen, Siemone, and Angel did back in 2016. It also doens't help that this team has so many new members who have not had the time to practice with each other.
And by the way, not only were Sue and Dee by far the best guards on team USA (followed by Jewell for honorable mention), but their defense was not a liability one single bit. They might be a step slower than their younger counterparts against a super quick Nigerian team, but let's just put the comments about defensive liabilities to rest once and for all. Anyone who watched the game couldn't have any complaints about Sue/Dee on the defensive end.
I really think Dawn has a ton of work to do. The passing from Gray and Diggins was substandard. It was not helped by butterfingered post players, but even when they tried to pass the ball back out, the guards would often stop moving, or move too late, so there was not an open player to get the ball to.
This team can still win it all of course. They won with great games from Sue and A'ja, good games from BG, Dee and Jewell, and a substandard shooting game from Stewie. Tina and Sylvia had some very good moments, but as i said before, also some terribly sloppy and messy moments. I hope they get it together.
Last comment. I don't mean to sound all "know it all-y" - obviously all just IMHO, and I'm not even one of the smarter hoops minds on the BY. So just my $.02.
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Not to mention Stewie (some call the best player in the world) playing out of position. Ask Dawn and she'll tell you Stewie on the wing is better than any other wing on the team (plus it allows A'ja to start at her natural position), but Stewie struggled a bit last night finding a rhythm. She is expected to space the floor in half court sets so Griner and Wilson have room to operate. Stewie obviously can shoot and make 3s but there's a lot more to her game that is being sacrificed. We'll see what the team does to get her going against Japan.
I agree. BG is a worrisome passer also. One of the reasons Wilson is so hard to stop is because she is very fluid and moves well without the ball. She picks up a lot of shooting fouls because of it and gets rid of the ball right away when she rebounds defensively.
It's not "know it all-y" when you see what we are all seeing and are frustrated by it. I said earlier that the 2016 team beats this team by 20 points. I agree with everything you said except that I think the guards are wrong. If you look you will see that for each corresponding big there is a corresponding guard from the same team. I presume the theory is that the guard was used to getting the ball to their big. That hasn't happened and probably won't. You have 4 guards who are incapable of running the point Gold medal style. Who picked them?
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