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Ollie post game interview

I get tired of ppl keep Reiterating who players they were, well they weren’t Ollie’s players they were Calhoun, but I’m sorry wasn’t Ollie there to recruit said players , who cares JC left for reasons I’m still confused about but Ollie first year 20 wins no tournament why cuz of JC , 2nd season he wins the whole damn thing and wasn’t Brimah a freshmen um yes Ollie’s player , Kelis Fisher but wasn’t really in the mix oh and this guy Lason Kromah!! We get so caught up with this bs that we forget that the players have to still play n the coaches still have to coach.. & looking at the roster we overachieved thanks to KO n getting players to believe in themselves n play hard n you’ll get everything else that comes with it , which was a championship!!
 
Allbite said:
Do you think it's a career ending injury?
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There are Drs. on this board that are able to give a better prognosis than me. AG has injured the shoulder more than once, will probably wear a harness in games for the rest of his career and winced when a teammate was trying to help off the floor. All of those are troubling to me. Maybe he strengthens it over time. I hope it's not a career ender but I do think he'll miss games because of it throughout his career.
 
KodiacKemba said:
I get tired of ppl keep Reiterating who players they were, well they weren’t Ollie’s players they were Calhoun, but I’m sorry wasn’t Ollie there to recruit said players , who cares JC left for reasons I’m still confused about but Ollie first year 20 wins no tournament why cuz of JC , 2nd season he wins the whole damn thing and wasn’t Brimah a freshmen um yes Ollie’s player , Kelis Fisher but wasn’t really in the mix oh and this guy Lason Kromah!! We get so caught up with this bs that we forget that the players have to still play n the coaches still have to coach.. & looking at the roster we overachieved thanks to KO n getting players to believe in themselves n play hard n you’ll get everything else that comes with it , which was a championship!!
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Actually KK, I agree with you on this point, and have come out in previous threads and stated that giving Calhoun all or even most of the credit for the 2014 championship is a canard that is not supported by the facts, only by those who really dislike Kevin Ollie for whatever reason and have wanted him gone for awhile.

The fact is that I am not sure there are 5 coaches on the planet who could have done a better job in those first two years than Kevin Ollie did, and that includes JC. Yes, Shabazz and Tyler O and DeAndre and Giffey and O. Calhoun were brought in by Calhoun, but at least 3 of the 5 of those guys showed significant development under Ollie (particularly DeAndre) that most Ollie haters believe would have happened under Calhoun - sorry, but that is a false assumption. I can back up my point with plenty of guys who did not develop under Calhoun (starting with a guy who used to come to our parties when I was an undergrad, Toraino Walker). It happens. Every one of the all-time great coaches, including Calhoun, have had guys who did not develop under them. As further proof, do not discount the recent words from Shabazz himself, who gives KO a ton of credit for his development throughout his time at UConn under KO's direct tutelage and during his time in the NBA.

Which is what makes Ollie's regression so baffling. Why has he come to the point that celebrating mediocrity is acceptable? To celebrate that performance on Wednesday night with platitudes for our players and referring to a 1-4 Ivy League team as "great" when it is obviously not true is a loser's mentality. And to celebrate the fact that we did not quit against them as if we never quit - when we pretty obviously quit in just the last game before this one against Arkansas - makes him come across as out of touch with reality and frankly, untrustworthy. It is not only a bad look, but you would think after his own experiences he would know better.

Even worse, that type of mentality seeps down to the players, and their uneven and sometimes lackadaisical play shows it.
 
LStudfellow said:
Actually KK, I agree with you on this point, and have come out in previous threads and stated that giving Calhoun all or even most of the credit for the 2014 championship is a canard that is not supported by the facts, only by those who really dislike Kevin Ollie for whatever reason and have wanted him gone for awhile.

The fact is that I am not sure there are 5 coaches on the planet who could have done a better job in those first two years than Kevin Ollie did, and that includes JC. Yes, Shabazz and Tyler O and DeAndre and Giffey and O. Calhoun were brought in by Calhoun, but at least 3 of the 5 of those guys showed significant development under Ollie (particularly DeAndre) that most Ollie haters believe would have happened under Calhoun - sorry, but that is a false assumption. I can back up my point with plenty of guys who did not develop under Calhoun (starting with a guy who used to come to our parties when I was an undergrad, Toraino Walker). It happens. Every one of the all-time great coaches, including Calhoun, have had guys who did not develop under them. As further proof, do not discount the recent words from Shabazz himself, who gives KO a ton of credit for his development throughout his time at UConn under KO's direct tutelage and during his time in the NBA.

Which is what makes Ollie's regression so baffling. Why has he come to the point that celebrating mediocrity is acceptable? To celebrate that performance on Wednesday night with platitudes for our players and referring to a 1-4 Ivy League team as "great" when it is obviously not true is a loser's mentality. And to celebrate the fact that we did not quit against them as if we never quit - when we pretty obviously quit in just the last game before this one against Arkansas - makes him come across as out of touch with reality and frankly, untrustworthy. It is not only a bad look, but you would think after his own experiences he would know better.

Even worse, that type of mentality seeps down to the players, and their uneven and sometimes lackadaisical play shows it.
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I doubt he's celebrating. He's making a change from how he approached players last season. Last season the stick. This season the carrot.
 
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fleudslipcon said:
I doubt he's celebrating. He's making a change from how he approached players last season. Last season the stick. This season the carrot.
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You need both. Behind both, the players need to know you love them and the stick is for their long-term benefit. The coach has to be part father.
 
LStudfellow said:
Actually KK, I agree with you on this point, and have come out in previous threads and stated that giving Calhoun all or even most of the credit for the 2014 championship is a canard that is not supported by the facts, only by those who really dislike Kevin Ollie for whatever reason and have wanted him gone for awhile.

The fact is that I am not sure there are 5 coaches on the planet who could have done a better job in those first two years than Kevin Ollie did, and that includes JC. Yes, Shabazz and Tyler O and DeAndre and Giffey and O. Calhoun were brought in by Calhoun, but at least 3 of the 5 of those guys showed significant development under Ollie (particularly DeAndre) that most Ollie haters believe would have happened under Calhoun - sorry, but that is a false assumption. I can back up my point with plenty of guys who did not develop under Calhoun (starting with a guy who used to come to our parties when I was an undergrad, Toraino Walker). It happens. Every one of the all-time great coaches, including Calhoun, have had guys who did not develop under them. As further proof, do not discount the recent words from Shabazz himself, who gives KO a ton of credit for his development throughout his time at UConn under KO's direct tutelage and during his time in the NBA.

Which is what makes Ollie's regression so baffling. Why has he come to the point that celebrating mediocrity is acceptable? To celebrate that performance on Wednesday night with platitudes for our players and referring to a 1-4 Ivy League team as "great" when it is obviously not true is a loser's mentality. And to celebrate the fact that we did not quit against them as if we never quit - when we pretty obviously quit in just the last game before this one against Arkansas - makes him come across as out of touch with reality and frankly, untrustworthy. It is not only a bad look, but you would think after his own experiences he would know better.

Even worse, that type of mentality seeps down to the players, and their uneven and sometimes lackadaisical play shows it.
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There's a subtlety here. The 2014 team were KO's players, but they were JC's recruits.

JC was able to identify the right players who would evince UConn toughness and buy into the methods and attitude that made our program successful for 25 years. KO got the most out of those recruits and deserves credit for their development.

However, KO has been an abject failure at developing his own recruits. His signature recruits -- Purvis, Hamilton, Brimah, etc. -- have not developed at all. He hasn't gotten his guys to buy in. Whether it's a failure of identifying the mental makeup of those recruits or of his coaching getting through to them, it's been a major problem that doesn't seem to be getting better.
 
I may go back to defending Ollie. The KO bashers are just too angry and stupid to sit with.
There is nothing I'm aware of that gives any evidence of Ollie being anything but a good person. He is not able to coach. That is all. And as Studfellow said, it is confusing because he was an excellent coach for two years. He was. Not Glenn Miller, not Blaney, not Saint Jim (who was never mean to his players like that nasty Kevin)
God, if you think Ollie is not trying and not miserable, despite his press comments, you haven't reached 16 years of age or you aren't very bright. Too many just hate Ollie's guts and if they tarred and feathered him you wouldn't be satisfied.

He's can't coach effectively. End of story. We have more distracted and unsuited leaders affecting our real life.
 
For anyone still making the injury excuse, it is getting harder and harder to make. Last year I gave him the benefit of the doubt but you have to be able to coach through injuries, they'll always be part of the game. When you play this no structure, free for all type of offense especially with undersized bigs you're just asking for injuries. Bad coaching.
 
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