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metsfan2323 said:
60 percent of the fan base disagrees, since this is an opinion poll you lose.

My point about Calhoun hiring Ollie is relevant, if you think Ollie's coaching was key to 2014 you have to give a nod to Calhoun since he was the only one who thought Ollie deserved the job.
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I think you give credit simply where the credit is due good, bad, indifferent. Kevin Ollie gets credit for all of his contributions to UCONN as a player, NBA advocate, UCONN advocate, Alumni, Assistant Coach and Head Coach. His positives to UCONN and the overall Basketball community far outweigh the strategic missteps that he took during the last 3 years or so of his head coaching tenure.

Things go left sometimes. I'm sure he has learned from it and is clapping back now. Hurley has us on the right track. Let's see how long it takes for us to get back to the top of that mountain. Give Kevin Ollie all of his credit; the good, bad and indifferent. The misstep in strategy at UCONN involved many more than Kevin. There is no need to continue in hating on a few missteps of Ollie to support and worship Coach Calhoun. These are not mutually exclusive.
 
UofCT said:
Weird seeing you post in a thread that isn’t about Syracuse
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You appear here to be evolving from misbelief that I've ever begun a thread about Syracuse to perhaps now believing that I only post on the subject.

Follow your bliss, if that's what it is, and you should easily be able to confirm how true or not that is.

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DMIL said:
I think you give credit simply where the credit is due good, bad, indifferent. Kevin Ollie gets credit for all of his contributions to UCONN as a player, NBA advocate, UCONN advocate, Alumni, Assistant Coach and Head Coach. His positives to UCONN and the overall Basketball community far outweigh the strategic missteps that he took during the last 3 years or so of his head coaching tenure.

Things go left sometimes. I'm sure he has learned from it and is clapping back now. Hurley has us on the right track. Let's see how long it takes for us to get back to the top of that mountain. Give Kevin Ollie all of his credit; the good, bad and indifferent. The misstep in strategy at UCONN involved many more than Kevin. There is no need to continue in hating on a few missteps of Ollie to support and worship Coach Calhoun. These are not mutually exclusive.
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Recognizing that Ollie won with JC's team and JC's assistant coaching staff is not hating on Kevin Ollie, it's just recognizing a fact. Some of you want to turn a blind eye to JC's contribution to the 2014 championship, i'm not going to do that. To each his own.

Do you think the people that hire college head coaches at big time programs are going to turn to Kevin Ollie in the next few years because "he won a championship at UCONN" or are they going to stay away because Hall of Famer Jim Calhoun won't be coming with him?
 
metsfan2323 said:
Recognizing that Ollie won with JC's team and JC's assistant coaching staff is not hating on Kevin Ollie, it's just recognizing a fact. Some of you want to turn a blind eye to JC's contribution to the 2014 championship, i'm not going to do that. To each his own.

Do you think the people that hire college head coaches at big time programs are going to turn to Kevin Ollie in the next few years because "he won a championship at UCONN" or are they going to stay away because Hall of Famer Jim Calhoun won't be coming with him?
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I have a better question do you honestly believe 60% of the people agree with your lame assessment of "Ollie won with JC's team and staff"? The only blind eye is yours and the fact you won't admit the hate because most know KO deserves the credit for a national title just as much as he deserves to be hammered for his lackluster performance his last 2-3 years. Give it up your take is ridiculous.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
Recognizing that Ollie won with JC's team and JC's assistant coaching staff is not hating on Kevin Ollie, it's just recognizing a fact. Some of you want to turn a blind eye to JC's contribution to the 2014 championship, i'm not going to do that. To each his own.

Do you think the people that hire college head coaches at big time programs are going to turn to Kevin Ollie in the next few years because "he won a championship at UCONN" or are they going to stay away because Hall of Famer Jim Calhoun won't be coming with him?
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Ignoring the fact that KO was an assistant on the team since 2010 and played a large role in recruiting and developing this team is also a fact-If you want to diminish KO's contribution to the 2014 title, I'm not going to do that. To each their own.
 
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CL82 said:
Well we kind of did a dry run of that last year.
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Thankfully.


I dont think anyone actually missed it.

Definitely saved some money at least.

Could you imagine sinking money into this program to go 0-7 with the extra cost of covid restrictions?
 
August_West said:
Thankfully.


I dont think anyone actually missed it.

Definitely saved some money at least.

Could you imagine sinking money into this program to go 0-7 with the extra cost of covid restrictions?
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Yes, yes I can. What did we save? Not scholarships, not coaches salary. Just the rent on the Rent, and uniform laundry fees.
 
August_West said:
We'd be much better off if they shut the football program down when Nelson said.
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I was saying we should shut the football program down if we were going to be so stupid about how we managed it. In particular, I thought the AAC was going to destroy the football program and we would be better off shutting it down than letting that happen. I was proven 100% right.

UConn would have a consistently .500 football program with a better coach, and would have a solid deal on SNY, if it had gone independent in 2013.

I stand behind all 4 posts CL82 screen-shotted. I really nailed it 8+ years ago.
 
Huskyforlife said:
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You play for him for money. Then do notg
huskymedic said:
In the SI Article:

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is a loser for the kids. they cut themselves off at the knees.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
2014 was a rocket ship built by Jim Calhoun. Ollie rode that rocket ship to the moon and pressed all the right buttons along the way. Ollie also got the parade and hero treatment when he landed, but make no mistake about it, Jim Calhoun built that rocket.
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Calhoun blew up the rocket ship when he was too lame to game the APR system and got UConn out of the NCAA's in 2013 and the two best payers (Drummond and Lamb; and only guys from 2012 in NBA now) left for NBA and two other best inside guys (Roscoe and Alex) transferred out.

So the rocket ship left by Calhoun was Bazz and Boat with a 2.6 pts per game Giffey and 3.0 pts per game Daniels. Nolan didn't come 'till the 2013 season and Kromah in 2014 along with Amida.

The 2014 was the most overachieving NCAA champ in the last 25 years.

If he set up 2014, Calhoun's 2012 team should have been champs also as they had the 4 key players from 2014 plus 2 NBA talent level players and 2 big time inside presences who finished very successful college careers elsewhere, talk about a lousy coaching job. All that talent in 2012 and all Calhoun could do in NCAA's was one and done, losing by 13 to Iowa State who lost their next game by 16.
 
Husky68 said:
Calhoun blew up the rocket ship when he was too lame to game the APR system and got UConn out of the NCAA's in 2013 and the two best payers (Drummond and Lamb; and only guys from 2012 in NBA now) left for NBA and two other best inside guys (Roscoe and Alex) transferred out.

So the rocket ship left by Calhoun was Bazz and Boat with a 2.6 pts per game Giffey and 3.0 pts per game Daniels. Nolan didn't come 'till the 2013 season and Kromah in 2014 along with Amida.

The 2014 was the most overachieving NCAA champ in the last 25 years.

If he set up 2014, Calhoun's 2012 team should have been champs also as they had the 4 key players from 2014 plus 2 NBA talent level players and 2 big time inside presences who finished very successful college careers elsewhere, talk about a lousy coaching job. All that talent in 2012 and all Calhoun could do in NCAA's was one and done, losing by 13 to Iowa State who lost their next game by 16.
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This board is horrendous at nuanced takes. All of these things are true:
  • JC stupidly thumbed his nose at the NCAA by blowing off the APR instead of gaming it like everyone else and practically begged Emmert to hammer us with penalties
  • JC did a horrible job coaching in 2012, probably the worst of his career
  • KO did a good job coaching up the 2012 players over 2013-2014
  • KO benefited tremendously from JC's recruiting. He could not have done what he did with his own recruits, he needed JC's tough-minded recruits. In fact, we know this because KO failed spectacularly at identifying talent and coaching up his own recruits.

tl;dr: JC gave KO the pieces, but KO molded them from there. Both deserve some credit.
 
metsfan2323 said:
2014 was a rocket ship built by Jim Calhoun. Ollie rode that rocket ship to the moon and pressed all the right buttons along the way. Ollie also got the parade and hero treatment when he landed, but make no mistake about it, Jim Calhoun built that rocket.
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Revisionist history at its finest, the tenor on this board after JC's retirement, the tourney ban, NBA departures and transfers was doomsday. To try to claim that Ollie was handed this great team/situation that he had to guide on autopilot is complete nonsense.
 
Husky68 said:
Calhoun blew up the rocket ship when he was too lame to game the APR system
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Ignores the fact at the NCAA changed the APR rules and then applied them retroactively to year for which UConn had already been sanctioned and did so while refusing to apply current the teams current APR data which would have made it compliant with the new rules. Kind of tough to game ex post facto penalties and double jeopardy. In the criminal law world both are unconstitutional.
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
This board is horrendous at nuanced takes. All of these things are true:
  • JC stupidly thumbed his nose at the NCAA by blowing off the APR instead of gaming it like everyone else and practically begged Emmert to hammer us with penalties
  • JC did a horrible job coaching in 2012, probably the worst of his career
  • KO did a good job coaching up the 2012 players over 2013-2014
  • KO benefited tremendously from JC's recruiting. He could not have done what he did with his own recruits, he needed JC's tough-minded recruits. In fact, we know this because KO failed spectacularly at identifying talent and coaching up his own recruits.

tl;dr: JC gave KO the pieces, but KO molded them from there. Both deserve some credit.
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One question, at that stage in his career, who do you think was doing most of the recruiting, my guess is the assistants.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
The program went into a ditch because the conference situation was untenable. We were lucky the program was not completely wiped out by the stupid decision to join the AAC.

None of that was Ollie’s fault.
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As if we had any real choice in that? Or were you ready to jettison football too?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Uconn effectively did jettison football by joining the AAC. Look at the program.
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The AAC COULD have been fine-the problem was not geography or Creighton, Depaul and Marquette would not be in the BE-the problem is and always was the teams trying to remove them selves from the conference.
 
CL82 said:
Ignores the fact at the NCAA changed the APR rules and then applied them retroactively to year for which UConn had already been sanctioned and did so while refusing to apply current the teams current APR data which would have made it compliant with the new rules. Kind of tough to game ex post facto penalties and double jeopardy. In the criminal law world both are unconstitutional.
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Doesn't change the fact all Calhoun had to do is game the rules and he was too lame to do it. Another story how the NCAA went out of their way, once they had UConn in their cross hairs, to GET UConn (we know what current NCAA president ran that show).
 
Husky68 said:
Doesn't change the fact all Calhoun had to do is game the rules and he was too lame to do it. Another story how the NCAA went out of their way, once they had UConn in their cross hairs, to GET UConn (we know what current NCAA president ran that show).
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Game the rules which were changed and then applied retroactively? Pretty hard to do without a time machine.
 
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