Ohtani, this dude is unreal

[The Yakk]

They'll both win MVP but Judge is having a better season and it's not even really that close

Adjusted for ballpark, it's a lot closer than Stankee fans think.

Ohtani plays half his games in a hitter's nightmare, Judge can hit pop up HR's to right field.

Both deserve MVP, obviously. There's a good argument Ohtani's season is better, at least for neutral observers.

 

[storrsroars]

I assumed it was a drunk post.

My hours for drunk posts are generally 7-9pm.

 

[Spaceman213J]

The funny thing is.that if Ohtani was pitching, he doesn't have a 50/50 season. He would be rested more often. We get to witness this miraculous season because of the injury. What would be more impressive; this season from the plate or a 40/40 season with a Cy Young award. He is talented to do the later in the next couple of seasons.

Still, I'll root for the Dodgers to lose in the first round. It's nothing against Ohtani. I think Betts, Freeman and Ohtani are likeable personalities. It's just the spending by some of the teams is out of hand. I'd like to see a system in place where if you draft a guy, develop him and he becomes a big part of your organization, their contract doesn't count as much towards the cap as bringing in an outside guy. I also think even if money is deferred, the total value of the contract should be split over the length of the playing contract.

 

[navery12]

My metric for MVP, as stated clearly above, is what % of team WAR does that player represent. Witt is 46% of KC's offensive WAR. Judge is nowhere near that.

What's your metric? Just WAR? So you're making this basically a dollar metric as opposed to what the player's team would do without him.

Then create an award for highest WAR. You're never gonna convince me Judge was more valuable to the Yankees this year than Witt was to KC.

Try to stop being a homer.

You nailed it, me, the Mets fan, is a homer by saying Aaron Judge is the MVP

 

[storrsroars]

You nailed it, me, the Mets fan, is a homer by saying Aaron Judge is the MVP

New Yawkers gonna New Yawk.

If you want to simply go by WAR, there's an "Outstanding Player" award that exists.

Simple question - Is Witt more important to KC's success this season than Judge is to NYY's, or not?

 

[navery12]

New Yawkers gonna New Yawk.

If you want to simply go by WAR, there's an "Outstanding Player" award that exists.

Simple question - Is Witt more important to KC's success this season than Judge is to NYY's, or not?

No. They're both incredibly important and neither team is a playoff team without Judge and Witt Jr's seasons. The Yankees lineup is awful and Judge has carried them all year

 

[CONN78SEJ]

Ohtani, this dude is unreal. He was one of the top pitchers and top power hitters in baseball, can't pitch this year. Every other pitcher who has elbow surgery you don't see him until the next season. He already did stuff we haven't seen since Ruth and then without being able to pitch this year he becomes the first player ever in MLB history to go for 50/50. Still 10 games left and he goes 6 for 6 with 17 total bases, 3 homeruns, 2 steals, and is thrown out at third to just miss hitting for the cycle. That's the best hitting game I've ever seen and he did it in his 50/50 game. Dude, is a cheat code. He's going to win his third MVP in six MLB seasons he actually played enough to do it. His other season he played 44 games. I never want to be accused of being a creature of the moment but this is the best baseball player we've ever seen.

My buddy was asking me last night, has anyone ever lived up to the hype like this and way exceeded it? All I could come up with was Lebron but i'm not sure it's the same. Some people like Bobby Knight knew what Jordan was but Sam Bowie was picked over him, there wasn't this kind of hype. Brady, nobody knew about.

Comparing him to Ruth is a joke. Let me know when Ohtani goes 18-5 pitching against the Yankees lifetime, hits 714 HR’s, has 2214 RBI’s, and finishes his career with a 342 lifetime batting average, during a time when the pitchers mound was 5 inches higher than it is today and the ball was much less lively.

 

[uconnfan68]

He’s not getting 60/60. There’s only 8 games left.

Too bad. He’s going to get fewer chances if he’s pitching again.

 

[John]

My buddy was asking me last night, has anyone ever lived up to the hype like this and way exceeded it? All I could come up with was Lebron but i'm not sure it's the same. Some people like Bobby Knight knew what Jordan was but Sam Bowie was picked over him, there wasn't this kind of hype. Brady, nobody knew about.

Gretzky

 

[storrsroars]

Gretzky

I think a few top draft picks in hockey have lived up to the hype. McGregor, Crosby, Lemieux in addition to Gretzky over past 50 years. Might be others I'm not thinking of.

 

[August_West]

Gretzky

Great call. And true.

 

[knicksin7]

I think it's great that we are talking about him. I was listening to Russillo yesterday, and it was hilarious. He basically said "we don't pay attention to Ohtani not because of baseball's decline, but rather due to the fast information cycle." He then proceeds to spend ten minutes talking about Ben Simmon's lastest workout video. The focus on the NFL and NBA over MLB is what it is, but as a kid growing up loving the Yankees in the 1990s, it's a bit sad. I am also a huge Knicks fan, and giants guy, but I loved Yankees. $5 bleacher tickets, loved that team when we were terrible, Pat Kelly, Roberto Kelly, Steve Sax, Kevin Maas, Sanderson, Pascual Perez, all those guys. And the fact that Ohtani is doing what he's doing, and we are focused on how maybe Jamal Murray isn't focused on the upcoming season. Sad

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Ohtani, this dude is unreal. He was one of the top pitchers and top power hitters in baseball, can't pitch this year. Every other pitcher who has elbow surgery you don't see him until the next season. He already did stuff we haven't seen since Ruth and then without being able to pitch this year he becomes the first player ever in MLB history to go for 50/50. Still 10 games left and he goes 6 for 6 with 17 total bases, 3 homeruns, 2 steals, and is thrown out at third to just miss hitting for the cycle. That's the best hitting game I've ever seen and he did it in his 50/50 game. Dude, is a cheat code. He's going to win his third MVP in six MLB seasons he actually played enough to do it. His other season he played 44 games. I never want to be accused of being a creature of the moment but this is the best baseball player we've ever seen.

My buddy was asking me last night, has anyone ever lived up to the hype like this and way exceeded it? All I could come up with was Lebron but i'm not sure it's the same. Some people like Bobby Knight knew what Jordan was but Sam Bowie was picked over him, there wasn't this kind of hype. Brady, nobody knew about.

We can amicably disagree about LeBron’s standing all time, but his hype and subsequent deliverance certainly surpassed Ohtani IMO. Baseball GOAT is weird though, people thought Trout was the GOAT like 8 seasons in. The analytics nerds seem to run the show way more than any other sport.

 

[Travelman6]

He’s not getting 60/60. There’s only 8 games left.

55/55 still in play

 

[John]

I think a few top draft picks in hockey have lived up to the hype. McGregor, Crosby, Lemieux in addition to Gretzky over past 50 years. Might be others I'm not thinking of.

Potentially Lindros

 

[WestCoastHusky]

Comparing him to Ruth is a joke. Let me know when Ohtani goes 18-5 pitching against the Yankees lifetime, hits 714 HR’s, has 2214 RBI’s, and finishes his career with a 342 lifetime batting average, during a time when the pitchers mound was 5 inches higher than it is today and the ball was much less lively.

https://athlonsports.com/mlb/los-angeles-dodgers/colin-cowherd-clear-choice-shohei-ohtani-babe-ruth

 

[aburks41]

Adjusted for ballpark, it's a lot closer than Stankee fans think.

Ohtani plays half his games in a hitter's nightmare, Judge can hit pop up HR's to right field.

Both deserve MVP, obviously. There's a good argument Ohtani's season is better, at least for neutral observers.

That’s actually not true. Adjusted for ballpark, Ohtani would only have 46 at Yankee Stadium and Judge would have 58 at Dodger Stadium.

 

[navery12]

That’s actually not true. Adjusted for ballpark, Ohtani would only have 46 at Yankee Stadium and Judge would have 58 at Dodger Stadium.

These charts are stupid because nobody plays 162 games in 1 park

 

[aburks41]

These charts are stupid because nobody plays 162 games in 1 park

I agree with that, but people thinking that Judge is a product of the short porch at Yankee Stadium are factually incorrect

 

[CONN78SEJ]

I agree with that, but people thinking that Judge is a product of the short porch at Yankee Stadium are factually incorrect

Both Judge AND Ohtani have it ten times easier than Ruth did.

 

[Dove]

I think a few top draft picks in hockey have lived up to the hype. McGregor, Crosby, Lemieux in addition to Gretzky over past 50 years. Might be others I'm not thinking of.

Interestingly, Gretzky was never drafted.

 

[superjohn]

Ohatani- homer in the 9th to tie the game. 53/55, 4-5 today at the plate.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

Bottom of 9th, Dodgers down 4-5, Ohtani at the plate. Boom! No. 53 at 114 mph, 430ft bomb tied the game at 5-5. Mookie followed with a walking off bomb. Dodgers won 5-4. What a finish!

Shohei went 4-5 with 2 stolen bases. He has caught Judge in the HR department with just 1 back.

53/55. He will get to 55/55 soon enough.

 

[Excalibur]

Comparing him to Ruth is a joke. Let me know when Ohtani goes 18-5 pitching against the Yankees lifetime, hits 714 HR’s, has 2214 RBI’s, and finishes his career with a 342 lifetime batting average, during a time when the pitchers mound was 5 inches higher than it is today and the ball was much less lively.

I’d love to see Ruth hit guys who threw 99 with sliders that break 2 feet and splitters that drop off of a table.

Pitching is orders of magnitude better today than it was 95 years ago.

 

[pepband99]

Comparing him to Ruth is a joke. Let me know when Ohtani goes 18-5 pitching against the Yankees lifetime, hits 714 HR’s, has 2214 RBI’s, and finishes his career with a 342 lifetime batting average, during a time when the pitchers mound was 5 inches higher than it is today and the ball was much less lively.

1) Show me Ruth's numbers doing both. He had some exceptional pitching seasons, and many exceptional hitting seasons, but barely if at all both.
2) Ohtani being awesome makes Mike Dimauro angry, which makes us all happy

 

[Waquoit]

Ruth didn't face all the best players of the era like Ohtani has.

 

[CONN78SEJ]

I’d love to see Ruth hit guys who threw 99 with sliders that break 2 feet and splitters that drop off of a table.

Pitching is orders of magnitude better today than it was 95 years ago.

lol…….Bob Feller was regularly throwing 105 mph as an 18 year old in the 1930’s, and I don’t think Ohtani would have a chance against him throwing from a mound that was 5 inches higher than it is today.


Other MLB legends are said to have thrown faster pitches than Chapman's, but with older, less reliable technology, it can be difficult to confirm the speed of a historic pitch. Thus, tales of Nolan Ryan’s 108.1 mph fastball in 1974 or Bob Feller’s 107.6 mph pitch in 1946 remain unofficial.

 

[Excalibur]

lol…….Bob Feller was regularly throwing 105 mph as an 18 year old in the 1930’s, and I don’t think Ohtani would have a chance against him throwing from a mound that was 5 inches higher than it is today.


Other MLB legends are said to have thrown faster pitches than Chapman's, but with older, less reliable technology, it can be difficult to confirm the speed of a historic pitch. Thus, tales of Nolan Ryan’s 108.1 mph fastball in 1974 or Bob Feller’s 107.6 mph pitch in 1946 remain unofficial.

Those guys were unicorns, and most of the supposed pitch speeds back then have to be taken with a giant grain of salt. Guys were throwing 300 innings, at least 8 innings each start, so nobody thew with max effort. It defies logic to think that smaller, shorter pitchers throwing more innings threw as hard as those in the game today. And yes, I'm aware of how pitch speed measurements have changed in the last 15 years.

 

[CONN78SEJ]

Those guys were unicorns, and most of the supposed pitch speeds back then have to be taken with a giant grain of salt. Guys were throwing 300 innings, at least 8 innings each start, so nobody thew with max effort. It defies logic to think that smaller, shorter pitchers throwing more innings threw as hard as those in the game today. And yes, I'm aware of how pitch speed measurements have changed in the last 15 years.

Oh you’re absolutely right, and Sandy Koufax, Nolan Ryan, Rich Gossage and Vida Blue were all cream puffs too.

 

[navery12]

Oh you’re absolutely right, and Sandy Koufax, Nolan Ryan, Rich Gossage and Vida Blue were all cream puffs too.