Ohtani, this dude is unreal

[superjohn]

Ohtani 9/10, 4 homers, 12 rbi, 3 stolen bases last two games.

 

[storrsroars]

Used to be a time when a player's relative value to his team was a bigger part of determining MVP than simply that player's WAR.

I bring that up because no player has been more important to his team than Bobby Witt Jr.

Looking at the AL and NL, here's the % of offensive/defensive WAR share of each player's team total WAR so far this year:

Witt: 46.7
Judge: 32.8
Lindor: 28.9
Ohtani: 24.0

If I were voting for MVP, I'd go Witt in AL and Lindor in NL.

 

[NJHusky]

Yeah Judge has had the better season. Some would say the 50/50 could impact. First time ever is pretty big.

How much does the new pickoff rule
Impact his Sb? I don’t follow enough to know but imagine it’s got to be a factor

Edit:just looked it up. Avg before new rule was 2400-2700 per year. Now it’s 3500. So a 40% increase. Wow didn’t realize it was that dramatic.

It’s a great feat but I don’t think he gets there without rule change

 

[NJHusky]

First of all, Judge is one of the best players in the MLB. Ohtani is the greatest baseball player and talent ever. The comparison isn't fair or even close.

As for this season, it is not even over yet. We will see the final stats at the and of the season

Plenty of players have done what Judge has done this year, but not one except Ohtani has reached 50/50. He is in the club of 1.

It is now 52/52. Ohtani is 3 for 4 with one SB so far after the insane last night.

He wouldn’t have done it without the new rules.

 

[Deepster]

ChatGPT summary of the Dodgers the past 10 years (sadly I'm a Mets fan -but wish we had their owners) :
Over the past 10 years (2014–2023), the Los Angeles Dodgers have made the playoffs every year, for a total of 10 consecutive playoff appearances. This includes:

1. 2020: Won the World Series***.

*** - 60 game regular season due to COVID. Neutral site and 25% capacity in the stands.

 

[Mr. French]

Betts lost MVP last year because of SB is quite the dumb take.

Thank you. I won’t allow Ronnie Acuna slander in here.

I HATE the Dodgers (this new Yankees-Dodgers iteration) but Ohtani is insane.

 

[Mr. French]

Used to be a time when a player's relative value to his team was a bigger part of determining MVP than simply that player's WAR.

I bring that up because no player has been more important to his team than Bobby Witt Jr.

Looking at the AL and NL, here's the % of offensive/defensive WAR share of each player's team total WAR so far this year:

Witt: 46.7
Judge: 32.8
Lindor: 28.9
Ohtani: 24.0

If I were voting for MVP, I'd go Witt in AL and Lindor in NL.

What?!

 

[navery12]

How much does the new pickoff rule
Impact his Sb? I don’t follow enough to know but imagine it’s got to be a factor

Edit:just looked it up. Avg before new rule was 2400-2700 per year. Now it’s 3500. So a 40% increase. Wow didn’t realize it was that dramatic.

It’s a great feat but I don’t think he gets there without rule change

He definitely would have still gotten there even without the rule change. The slightly bigger base is the only thing that's causing any change. It still seems very rare that a pitcher is even getting into scenarios where he's using 2 pickoff attempts and the rule change even matters

 

[WestCoastHusky]

How much does the new pickoff rule
Impact his Sb? I don’t follow enough to know but imagine it’s got to be a factor

Edit:just looked it up. Avg before new rule was 2400-2700 per year. Now it’s 3500. So a 40% increase. Wow didn’t realize it was that dramatic.

It’s a great feat but I don’t think he gets there without rule change

If it is so easy,, why aren't others in the MLB doing it?

Why is Ohtani the only player in the entire history of baseball that is on the pace for 60/60?

 

[WestCoastHusky]

Used to be a time when a player's relative value to his team was a bigger part of determining MVP than simply that player's WAR.

I bring that up because no player has been more important to his team than Bobby Witt Jr.

Looking at the AL and NL, here's the % of offensive/defensive WAR share of each player's team total WAR so far this year:

Witt: 46.7
Judge: 32.8
Lindor: 28.9
Ohtani: 24.0

If I were voting for MVP, I'd go Witt in AL and Lindor in NL.

Dan Hurley get published because they don't take the field for WAR, which is ridiculous.

Ask Dodgers GM if they would trade Ohtani for Judge or Lundor straight up, you already know the answer. Ask Dodgers GM if he would trade Ohtani for Judge and Lundor, the answer would still be a big fat no. Dodgers would ask for other players thrown in the deal.

If Ohtani played outfield, I have no doubt he would be a better outfielder than Judge. As far as combination of power, speed, and arm strength, there is no comparison.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

If it is so easy,, why aren't others in the MLB doing it?

Why is Ohtani the only player in the entire history of baseball that is on the pace for 60/60?

He’s not getting 60/60. There’s only 8 games left.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

He’s not getting 60/60. There’s only 8 games left.

I don't think he can either. However, it is Ohtani we are talking about. It is his world, and we are just living in it. When you say he can't do something, he will simply do it better even when the idea of doing it is insane.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

Ohtani used to do this when he was on the Angels. He is doing the same on the Dodgers right now. Keep in mind Dodgers is full of talent with 2 MVPs on the roster.

The only thing holding the Dodgers back this year might be pitching due to all the injuries. If Shohei is pitching this year, he would probably be the ace too. Yamamoto might be the only one who can challenge him in pitching assuming Yamamoto can stay healthy.

Ohtani is just ridiculous.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

I don't think he can either. However, it is Ohtani we are talking about. It is his world, and we are just living in it. When you say he can't do something, he will simply do it better even when the idea of doing it is insane.

I guess he plausibly could, but on pace just wasn’t the right term.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

I guess he plausibly could, but on pace just wasn’t the right term.

Last night he broke Ricky Henderson's all time record with number of games with a SB and HR. He is knocking down MLB records like every other day

It has been an absolute joy watching this guy playing right now. It is something that might not be repeated again for a long long time if ever. He is simply much better than Babe Ruth while doing it against modern MLB players.

 

[NJHusky]

If it is so easy,, why aren't others in the MLB doing it?

Why is Ohtani the only player in the entire history of baseball that is on the pace for 60/60?

How many players did 40/40? Im not saying it’s easy. I’m saying without the new pickoff rules he wouldn’t do it. Did u read my post showing stolen bases are up 40%??

 

[NJHusky]

Last night he broke Ricky Henderson's all time record with number of games with a SB and HR. He is knocking down MLB records like every other day

It has been an absolute joy watching this guy playing right now. It is something that might not be repeated again for a long long time if ever. He is simply much better than Babe Ruth while doing it against modern MLB players.

How many stolen bases would Ricky have with the new rules?? 200?

 

[superjohn]

How many stolen bases would Ricky have with the new rules?? 200?

Players stole more bases back then.

 

[NJHusky]

He definitely would have still gotten there even without the rule change. The slightly bigger base is the only thing that's causing any change. It still seems very rare that a pitcher is even getting into scenarios where he's using 2 pickoff attempts and the rule change even matters

Then why are sb up 40%. Not 10 or 20…40!

 

[NJHusky]

Players stole more bases back then.

Didn’t know that. I looked back 10 years and saw 1k less per year on avg

 

[donyell34]

Ohtani is special, trying to poke some holes because we are Yankee fans who love Judge is nonsense. Both are having spectacular, awesome season to be enjoyed.

 

[superjohn]

Ohtani is special, trying to poke some holes because we are Yankee fans who love Judge is nonsense. Both are having spectacular, awesome season to be enjoyed.

I'm a Yankee fan. Judge is incredible and would be the best baseball player during most of the modern history of baseball outside the Bonds years. Ohtani is the best baseball player I've ever seen. If you tried to describe to someone in the past how there will be an awesome pitcher in the future who is going to blow past 50 home runs and 50 steals in a single season nobody would believe you.

 

[navery12]

Then why are sb up 40%. Not 10 or 20…40!

Pitchers can't hold runners on and analytics have changed where teams realize it's advantageous to run. It's up 40% to the past few years, but only slightly up to the 80s and 90s numbers

 

[superjohn]

Didn’t know that. I looked back 10 years and saw 1k less per year on avg

From 1976-2000 there was basically always over 3,000 steals and you have to factor in there was less teams. 24 teams in those early years and then 26.

 

[Dove]

Nah, I think you have this right. He's amazing.

He's okay, I guess.

 

[storrsroars]

Dan Hurley get published because they don't take the field for WAR, which is ridiculous.

Ask Dodgers GM if they would trade Ohtani for Judge or Lundor straight up, you already know the answer. Ask Dodgers GM if he would trade Ohtani for Judge and Lundor, the answer would still be a big fat no. Dodgers would ask for other players thrown in the deal.

If Ohtani played outfield, I have no doubt he would be a better outfielder than Judge. As far as combination of power, speed, and arm strength, there is no comparison.

Typically DHs get docked -11 dWAR on Fangraphs. So you have a point regarding the NL.

You might be perfectly right regarding teams choosing Ohtani over the field if they had the opportunity to get him. But nobody is even close to Witt's value to the Royals this year, so I'll stick with my argument for the AL.

 

[navery12]

Typically DHs get docked -11 dWAR on Fangraphs. So you have a point regarding the NL.

You might be perfectly right regarding teams choosing Ohtani over the field if they had the opportunity to get him. But nobody is even close to Witt's value to the Royals this year, so I'll stick with my argument for the AL.

Except as it turns out someone is close to as valuable as Witt, and is actually slightly more valuable. And it's Aaron Judge

 

[storrsroars]

Except as it turns out someone is close to as valuable as Witt, and is actually slightly more valuable. And it's Aaron Judge

My metric for MVP, as stated clearly above, is what % of team WAR does that player represent. Witt is 46% of KC's offensive WAR. Judge is nowhere near that.

What's your metric? Just WAR? So you're making this basically a dollar metric as opposed to what the player's team would do without him.

Then create an award for highest WAR. You're never gonna convince me Judge was more valuable to the Yankees this year than Witt was to KC.

Try to stop being a homer.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

While Bobby Witt, Aaron Judge, and Lidor are all having exceptional seasons, none of them can match the sheer dominance and versatility of Shohei Ohtani. Even without his pitching contributions this year, Ohtani's impact on Major League Baseball is unparalleled. No general manager would be foolish enough to trade any of these three players for Ohtani straight up, unless a significant package of additional talent is included.

I know many here are Yankees and Mets fans, it's impossible to deny that Shohei Ohtani is a once-in-a-generation athlete across all sports. His ability to excel at both hitting and pitching at the highest level places him in a league of his own, making any comparison simply inadequate. He is doing things that are historical, and we are just watching living history.

 

[superjohn]

What?!

I assumed it was a drunk post.