Officiating During Texas NC St Game

[ASweet3781]

No way do you foul out a teams best player on that call in final minute of a tied elimination game.

Rebecca Lobo and the color commentator were 100% right to call them out.

 

[augustaTC]

Seems like a higher power wants Baylor and Texas to meet in the FF

Wonder why???? Oh, I remember, the game's in Dallas, isn't it. Be careful what you pray for NCAA higher power. If UConn isn't in the Finals, ratings will s**k.

 

[Gus Mahler]

The replay from the side shows clearly that Wilson ran pretty hard into Holmes.

Nice post. You've cited one of the keys to this. One poster thought that because Holmes weighs a lot more she shouldn't have been knocked over. But there's that mass times velocity thing, and the State player was going hard and didn't appear to slow down, or at least not much.

And as @Plebe noted, she was there in plenty of time. So I don't know where Lobo was coming from. If that's not a charge, what would be?

 

[Bigboote]

I don't know who said that, but whoever it was, they are flat-out wrong. Referees are taught specifically that not every fall merits a call.

Just to be clear, I absolutely agree -- I was pointing out that that mindset is out there.

 

[Plebe]

Nice post. You've cited one of the keys to this. One poster thought that because Holmes weighs a lot more she shouldn't have been knocked over. But there's that mass times velocity thing, and the State player was going hard and didn't appear to slow down, or at least not much.

And as @Plebe noted, she was there in plenty of time. So I don't know where Lobo was coming from. If that's not a charge, what would be?

Lobo argued it should be a no-call and the rationale for that is that Holmes could've stood her ground without falling down.

That's IMO a gross oversimplification of the true criteria for call/no-call but that's a commonly heard rationale.

 

[southie]

No way do you foul out a teams best player on that call in final minute of a tied elimination game.

Rebecca Lobo and the color commentator were 100% right to call them out.

Guess the officials must not be familiar with that rule in their officiating handbook.

Yeah, a team's best player should be allowed to do whatever they want in the last minute of a tight game cuz the fans don't want them to be out of the game. Let her just impede Texas' best player and 3-point shooter from trying to get the ball by wrapping her arms all over her. SMH

 

[Blue Huskie]

Guess the officials must not be familiar with that rule in their officiating handbook.

Yeah, a team's best player should be allowed to do whatever they want in the last minute of a tight game cuz the fans don't want them to be out of the game. Let her just impede Texas' best player and 3-point shooter from trying to get the ball by wrapping her arms all over her. SMH

Not quite. They were both grabbing each other but McCarty sold it with her gyrations.

 

[mntncougar]

Any team with significant depth who goes against UConn would be wise to come out of the gates playing uber-physical to get the refs whistle-happy.

Based on some of our big games in past years, I'm afraid we can just about count on it. Started in 1995.

 

[Shorty Dee]

It wasn't just the NC State vs Texas game, it was a lot of bad officiating all day today.
Also, I have been saying for a long time how I didn't like the jump ball rule, and the announcer (SC game) said he wished they would change the rule, so the officials could throw the ball up and let the players jump for the ball.

 

[donalddoowop]

Thank you Tomcat.... yes just as today's NCState Texas game had some horrible calls, FGCU was jobbed with 2 terrible calls (or non calls) at end of their game....

The athletes and coaches work too hard for officiating in general to be at a substandard level in all of WCBB.... which it certainly is....

As I have said before it is no wonder Dee Kantner Lisa Mattingly and Brian Enterline get all the big games.... to trust to most of the other officials is problematic.... IMO

I've seen Kantner make some terrible calls, especially in SC games.

 

[gamer]

Rebecca is smart and likeable --- but, I don't believe it is the role of TV commentators to take such firm positions on referees' calls. Maybe it's okay to say they don't agree with a call, but if so, leave room that you might be wrong. You weren't there at the gym. The referees were just a few feet away. Their job is a hard one and pretty much a thankless one, and doesn't pay well to boot. "Questionable" or "debatable" is about as far as it should go from the TV people. The woman doing color in Austin, whom I also like, was quite opinionated on calls . This may be the trend. Doris Burke has been doing it, too. Rebecca came close to saying NC State should have won the game because of one ref's call. The whole two hours of playing and calling is what determines the outcome of the game. Refereeing is never an absolute science. They have to go with what they saw at the time. There is no time to telephone Lobo or Burkes and ask what the correct call was. If Rebecca or Doris feel strongly about the mistakes referees make, a career change could be a viable option for them. Maybe they would elevate the quality of officiating (but I doubt it.)

 

[JellyBean]

There have been quite a few games this tournament where the refs have been horrible...or just not consistent and this game was another example. It is frustrating.

 

[CocoHusky]

No way do you foul out a teams best player on that call in final minute of a tied elimination game.
Rebecca Lobo and the color commentator were 100% right to call them out.

How would a referee go about determining a team's best player?

 

[CocoHusky]

Rebecca is smart and likeable -- but, I don't believe it is the role of TV commentators to take such firm positions on referees' calls. Maybe it's okay to say they don't agree with a call, but if so, leave room that you might be wrong. You weren't there at the gym. The referees were just a few feet away. Their job is a hard one and pretty much a thankless one, and doesn't pay well to boot. "Questionable" or "debatable" is about as far as it should go from the TV people. The woman doing color in Austin, whom I also like, was quite opinionated on calls . This may be the trend. Doris Burke has been doing it, too. Rebecca came close to saying NC State should have won the game because of one ref's call. The whole two hours of playing and calling is what determines the outcome of the game. Refereeing is never an absolute science. They have to go with what they saw at the time. There is no time to telephone Lobo or Burkes and ask what the correct call was. If Rebecca or Doris feel strongly about the mistakes referees make, a career change could be a viable option for them. Maybe they would elevate the quality of officiating (but I doubt it.)

I have no issues with Rebecca or Doris or any other commentator expressing an opinion on a particular call. I would be disappointed if they did not. A commentators position on a particular call though is significantly different than the referee's because of replay and slow motion.

 

[skilz]

Is there a website that shows who the refs will be for todays game?

 

[Gus Mahler]

How would a referee go about determining a team's best player?

Right. And wouldn't it be hard to keep in your head which players have four fouls? I don't have enough memory cells left to do that.

 

[Rixxx]

I can't wait until the offensive, initiated contact is reviewed and the rules revised. I have the images of Allen, Epps, Mitchell on breakaways with one defender to beat. Basically the defender is running parallel to the ball handler and at the last moment, the offensive player jumps into the defender and is granted a foul shot(s). That isn't basketball.
The question is, will the rules be changed or will the refs ever call a foul on the offensive player for initiating contact? Just a pet peeve of mine and probably others.

 

[ndmb]

Trust me, the late game officiating in close games on the men's side has been atrocious. The NCAA even had to publicly admit a blatant goaltending call was missed late in a very close Gonzaga - Northwestern game. The Gonzaga player stuck his arm and hand up through the rim from below to swat away a Northwestern shot. How do you not see that? Guess who won?

These zebras are dictating the outcome of games, and it invariably favors the higher seed.

Yeah, well, the grass is always greener I guess.

 

[jayfromfla]

you did not see the final 8 seconds of the Miami FGCU game, Two blatent fouls one a charge and one where the player was shoved out of bounds by Miami were not called. QU should have played FGCU not Miami