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BGesus4 said:
It’s nice to be widely hated again by other programs
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Jaydumo20 said:
www.syracuse.com

Axe: While Syracuse counts ACC money, UConn wins another NCAA title. Who’s making out better?

Brent Axe writes about UConn's fifth national championship and how it has found a way around the narrative that football has to drive the bus in college sports.
www.syracuse.com www.syracuse.com

He basically stated that he'd rather be in Syracuses shoes than ours- even after Monday.

he'd rather potentially win another natty than actually win one is the way I'm taking this. Thought it would brighten your already joyous day.

Disclaimer*
I think we should put the Cuse rivalry to bed. It no longer makes sense
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Brent Axe sounds like the stage name of a guy paid to be a fluffer for low budget adult films in the 80s.
 
5-1, 4-0 since their last (and only) title

The worst of them are simply in despair. They're irrational, they're delusion, they're punch drunk.

They're rock bottom, have some empathy as you politely point and laugh

PS: and they're not alone

It's good to be King
 
CL82 said:
Allow sports to continue to be played? Allow UConn to have competitive facilities? Allow UConn to pay competitive coaching salaries?
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Was speaking only In regards to a team that has more money but little success. In that case the money is just a totem. Of course money is useful. But we won 5 natty outside of the P5 so the argument falls flat right there. You don't need football
 
Jaydumo20 said:
Was speaking only In regards to a team that has more money but little success. In that case the money is just a totem. Of course money is useful. But we won 5 natty outside of the P5 so the argument falls flat right there. You don't need football
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First, that’s not actually correct we won three of those national championships in the affective equivalent of a “power conference”.

Whether we bury our heads in the sand or not, college athletics is in the middle of a facilities and coaching salary shooting war. The “ammo” for that war is sports, revenue, predominantly conference media rights. The ACC is currently considered underfunded at a distribution in excess of $35 million per school. Right now, the big east conference schools get a media rights distribution of about 4 million per school. The Big Ten gets a media rights distribution of $72 million per school. Every single year we remain in the Big East we fall tens of million dollars behind our peers. Every. Single. Year.

Now, just to be fair, the big east conference is about to renegotiate their media rights deal. The best case scenario is that the conference distribution may double from $4 million per school to $8 million per school. And that would be an amazingly good deal, but it falls for short of what’s needed to stay relevant in college athletics.

Why does the big east, which literally is the most successful basketball conference over the last five years or so get paid pennies on the dollar compared to other conferences? Well, because the value of basketball broadcast rights is worth no more than $.20 on the dollar what the value of football broadcast rights are. So, if we want to ever receive competitive income to our peer institutions, we absolutely “need football.”

(Oh, and before you talk about how expensive it is to run a football program, about 17 million of our $72 million athletic department deficit was from football. And that is after having historic bad seasons, that depressed attendance. I fully expect a dramatic improvement in footballs financials this year. Just so you don’t have to do the math, that means that $55 million of our $72 million deficit was from sports other than football.)
 
SoFla Steve said:
The realignment question was always tricky for me.
PROs: Football money to help fund the athletic dept.​
CONs: Pretty much everything else - Loss of rivalries, fan interest, entertainment value . . .​
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The funny thing is that the only way realignment was really going to work out for them was if we came along, too. UConn/Syracuse is (was) a brand rivalry with local and national cache. ESPN puts it in a national time slot and builds a day of programming around it, mythologizes it b/c it's got history and juice. That resonates.

Without us Syracuse is, at best, the 4th-most interesting team on anybody in the ACC's calendar. Same goes for Pitt, except replace "4th" with "8th."

Can't wait for the SEC to take Clemson, Miami, Duke, UNC & FSU in a few years and for the ACC to blow up. Gonna be interesting to see where the pieces fall after that.
 
Matrim55 said:
The funny thing is that the only way realignment was really going to work out for them was if we came along, too. UConn/Syracuse is (was) a brand rivalry with local and national cache. ESPN puts it in a national time slot and builds a day of programming around it, mythologizes it b/c it's got history and juice. That resonates.

Without us Syracuse is, at best, the 4th-most interesting team on anybody in the ACC's calendar. Same goes for Pitt, except replace "4th" with "8th."

Can't wait for the SEC to take Clemson, Miami, Duke, UNC & FSU in a few years and for the ACC to blow up. Gonna be interesting to see where the pieces fall after that.
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Yep. But are most likely ending place is in a best of the rest conference with the ACC leftovers.
 
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Matrim55 said:
The funny thing is that the only way realignment was really going to work out for them was if we came along, too. UConn/Syracuse is (was) a brand rivalry with local and national cache. ESPN puts it in a national time slot and builds a day of programming around it, mythologizes it b/c it's got history and juice. That resonates.

Without us Syracuse is, at best, the 4th-most interesting team on anybody in the ACC's calendar. Same goes for Pitt, except replace "4th" with "8th."

Can't wait for the SEC to take Clemson, Miami, Duke, UNC & FSU in a few years and for the ACC to blow up. Gonna be interesting to see where the pieces fall after that.
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My thought (early on) was that the ACC should have been proactive and grabbed UConn, Syracuse, SUNJ, West Virginia, and Pitt and essentially merged with the Big East football league. There's a true Atlantic coast identity there.

Now it's kind of a mishmash of southern football schools, tobacco road hoops sans coaching legends, and northern outposts. Plus a community college in Kentucky.

The Big East is our identity but as a huge UConn football fan I'd hope that we eventually get in a league with some Northeast peer programs again, even as much as playing under the acc banner would make me sick!
 
CL82 said:
Whether we bury our heads in the sand or not, college athletics is in the middle of a facilities and coaching salary shooting war. The “ammo” for that war is sports, revenue, predominantly conference media rights.
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. I think this is going to prove out as being a dated notion. You are certainly correct on that was, and is, what it's about and they will still be important. But NIL is king going forward. The other other points are very important components to be sure, and will remain suchm but NIL is going to entirely turn this sport on it's head. Real glad we won this year, and not just for the obvious reasons. This momentum and notoriety will kick start us in this arena,
 
August_West said:
. I think this is going to prove out as being a dated notion. You are certainly correct on that was, and is, what it's about and they will still be important. But NIL is king going forward. The other other points are very important components to be sure, and will remain suchm but NIL is going to entirely turn this sport on its head. Real glad we won this year, and not just for the obvious reasons. This momentum and notoriety will kick start us in this arena,
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No doubt that NIL will be important, but NIL doesn’t pay for coaches’ salaries and facilities. That’s where the P5 multi million dollar broadcast rights proceeds will be applied, not NIL.

For what it’s worth, I think Connecticut is doing an outstanding job with establishing a good NIL support system. I absolutely agree with you that this is critically important, it’s just not the only thing that’s critically important.
 
CL82 said:
No doubt that NIL will be important, but NIL doesn’t pay for coaches’ salaries and facilities. That’s where the P5 multi million dollar broadcast rights proceeds will be applied, not NIL.

For what it’s worth, I think Connecticut is doing an outstanding job with establishing a good NIL support system. I absolutely agree with you that this is critically important, it’s just not the only thing that’s critically important.
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We clearly can’t compete as a football program without the P5 money….but basketball with smaller staffs and facilities I think it’s plausible for us to retain our top tier status under the current situation.
 
Jbirdp5 said:
We clearly can’t compete as a football program without the P5 money….but basketball with smaller staffs and facilities I think it’s plausible for us to retain our top tier status under the current situation.
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I don’t think so. Ultimately, the Big Ten making $70,000,000+ per school annually allows them to build better facilities, and pay the best coaches more. Connecticut has buck that trend bye running its athletic department in the red by $53 million last year. That isn’t sustainable. Footballs share of that deficit was approximately $14 million, which means that $39 million of it was due to sports other than football.
 
It looks like we're heading toward two superconferences. The most valuable schools in the Pac and B12 have already bolted to B10 and SEC respectively. It wouldn't be a surprise to see the same happen in the ACC, eg B10 grab UNC and UVa with Notre Dame and Ga Tech, and the SEC to take NC State plus Va Tech, to get state-school footprints in two big states adjacent to their footprint.

Then what? Florida State, Clemson, Duke, Miami, UConn, Kansas, Colorado, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Stanford, Cal would be the biggest prizes remaining. Maybe a best-of-the-rest conference with east coast and west coast divisions, and championship games pitting west vs east? End game might be a P3.
 
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CL82 said:
I don’t think so. Ultimately, the Big Ten making $70,000,000+ per school annually allows them to build better facilities, and pay the best coaches more. Connecticut has buck that trend bye running its athletic department in the red by $53 million last year. That isn’t sustainable. Footballs share of that deficit was approximately $14 million, which means that $39 million of it was due to sports other than football.
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How do you explain the parity in this year's tourney? The smaller market schools represented themselves more this year than any year before, and the trend is only predicting more parity. Shouldn't it be going the other way? With all the big name bball schools wiping the floor?
70million big ten didn't really show up.
 
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Jaydumo20 said:
How do you explain the parity in this year's tourney? The smaller market schools represented themselves more this year than any year before, and the trend is only predicting more parity. Shouldn't it be going the other way? With all the big name bball schools wiping the floor?
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I don’t, though it wouldn’t surprise me if portal movement accounts for it.

But here’s the thing, sports programs cost money, and the reason why people enjoy upsets when they happen, is because they happen so infrequently. Could there be an aberration in any year, of course, but facilities, matter and coaches matter. That’s why those are the two things you hear, talked about the most when top recruits go on visits.

The Big Ten was on everybody’s radar all season long. Yeah, they weren’t there at the end, but if they decide that that is due to insufficient coaching, they have the resources to hire whomever they want, including Dan Hurley. If we get into a bidding war for him against a team, that makes nearly as much in one year as we do in two decades, they have the resources to outbid us.
 
pj said:
It looks like we're heading toward two superconferences. The most valuable schools in the Pac and B12 have already bolted to B10 and SEC respectively. It wouldn't be a surprise to see the same happen in the ACC, eg B10 grab UNC and UVa with Notre Dame and Ga Tech, and the SEC to take NC State plus Va Tech, to get state-school footprints in two big states adjacent to their footprint.

Then what? Florida State, Clemson, Duke, Miami, UConn, Kansas, Colorado, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Stanford, Cal would be the biggest prizes remaining. Maybe a best-of-the-rest conference with east coast and west coast divisions, and championship games pitting west vs east? End game might be a P3.
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My dream scenario:

BIG takes Pitt, Cuse, us, UVA, ND, UNC; hopefully KU

SEC takes VTech, Duke, Clemson, FSU, Miami, NC State; maybe WVU or Texas Tech

PAC12 absorbs some of the MWC (SDSU, Boise State, UNLV, maybe Fresno)

Big 12 absorbs some of the American (Houston, Memphis, maybe SMU), maybe takes Louisville
 
CL82 said:
I don’t, though it wouldn’t surprise me if portal movement accounts for it.

But here’s the thing, sports programs cost money, and the reason why people enjoy upsets when they happen, is because they happen so infrequently. Could there be an aberration in any year, of course, but facilities, matter and coaches matter. That’s why those are the two things you hear, talked about the most when top recruits go on visits.
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Yes they matter, but this is a new world. you can't treat the portal as an outlier. It is the equalizer and it's not going away. 2nd year of the portal and upsets were the norm, not the exception.
 
Rocktheworld said:
My dream scenario:

BIG takes Pitt, Cuse, us, UVA, ND, UNC; hopefully KU

SEC takes VTech, Duke, Clemson, FSU, Miami, NC State; maybe WVU or Texas Tech

PAC12 absorbs some of the MWC (SDSU, Boise State, UNLV, maybe Fresno)

Big 12 absorbs some of the American (Houston, Memphis, maybe SMU), maybe takes Louisville
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Rocktheworld said:
My dream scenario:

BIG takes Pitt, Cuse, us, UVA, ND, UNC; hopefully KU

SEC takes VTech, Duke, Clemson, FSU, Miami, NC State; maybe WVU or Texas Tech

PAC12 absorbs some of the MWC (SDSU, Boise State, UNLV, maybe Fresno)

Big 12 absorbs some of the American (Houston, Memphis, maybe SMU), maybe takes Louisville
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Not that I care, but under that scenario, where does BC land? Or do they land anywhere?
 
Jaydumo20 said:
Yes they matter, but this is a new world. you can't treat the portal as an outlier. It is the equalizer and it's not going away. 2nd year of the portal and upsets were the norm, not the exception.
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I don’t treat the portal as an outlier. You asked for an explanation and I made my best guess. I think it’s likely.
 
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