Observations after watching USA-Australia FIBA U19

[JellyBean]

If Caitlin Clark is a selfish player who never looks to pass, how did she get 7 assists in yesterday's game?

Do you remember that for much of last year, Geno was trying (with limited success) to get Paige to be less unselfish and more of a gunner, since she had the best jump shot on the team? I agree that Caitlin would not have needed that feedback from her coach, but that is a good thing as long as she hits a good percentage.

In the first half of yesterday's game, she was shooting 3's from Honolulu and they were going in the basket. As long as that is the case, she should keep shooting, because then the opponent will have to guard her at extreme distance from the basket, grievously distorting the defense. In the second half, when she stopped hitting, she probably should have dialed back her 3-point shooting attempts a bit more than she did, but by that time the game was in hand thanks to her first-half scoring.

I think that if Azzi had been shooting well in the first half and Caitlin's shot was not working, Caitlin would have passed to Azzi. That may have been the original game plan, but when it was apparent that Azzi's shot was not falling, Caitlin put the team's scoring on her back -- exactly what she should have done.

Well said. I think Caitlin is doing what is expected. She has always been that attacking player; junior high, high school, and college. I don't think she is selfish. It is like having Curry, Klay Thompson, Larry Bird, or any other great shooter on your team. If that rascal is in the zone, if you are smart, you are going to be looking to make sure that shooter is getting the touch. Clarke was just in that zone. Players were looking for her and she was just heat checking and nailing those shots.

 

[Boreifs]

I agree mostly, but not completely on Azzi's defense. You stated that backside help was rare. But as a defender rule number one in the quarter court is not to get beat baseline. This U19 team has a skyscraper on defense in Betts, and as a defender it is your job to turn your mark into the defense. Now, if you get beat overplaying the pass, with so much length in the middle, that's explainable. That Azzi was beaten to the baseline any number of times was on her. But Close realizes, as did Berube, that Azzi rarely turns the ball over, is a team first player, and will make the pass and play that's necessary. Azzi is a natural for bringing the ball across the half court. However, during the first game Azzi seemed to be deferring to the upper classmen in the offensive end. This game she hit her first shot, then seemed to lose confidence in her shot when she missed two open pull ups. That however didn't stop her from playing hard on offense and defense, nor did it stop her from moving the ball well on offense and making the good pass. This is why I've said a few times that on offense I believe that when Paige and Azzi are on the court together Azzi will be bringing up the ball.

What isn't there to say about Betts? I was a big fan of hers at her previous U's and I really wanted her in Storrs. Really wanted her. Her game is complete. She can hit the short jumper, finishes with both hands at the cup, runs the floor well, and is a beast on the boards. Stanford can match up against SCar's Boston and Cardoso very well with the killer B's, Belibi, Betts, and Brink. I still think UConn not getting Cardoso was a horrible missed opportunity.

Amari however seems a touch under conditioned, though she runs the floor better than I thought. I'd like to see more of her inside and whether she has anything beyond 8 feet.


You can't be a player that "never looks to pass" and lead the team in assists. Simply not possible.

You do realize that Betts will be a senior in high school?

 

[JordyG]

You do realize that Betts will be a senior in high school?

Yeah. You think Belibi and Brink will be gone by the time she gets there?

 

[victor64]

Brink and Betts, if my third grade math works, should have two years together.

 

[#1florida]

Watched the route of Australia. Here is what I noticed.

1. My opinion of Azzi has changed. She is so unselfish, a definite pass-first player. She is one of the few on the team that does a nice job of defending the dribbler. I thought because of her shooting she would start for UConn. I think she will be fine with whatever role Geno has in mind.

2. Lauren Betts and Cameron Brink will be a dynamite tandem in Stanford. Betts has good hands, a nice touch and under control.

3, The last time I saw Peyton Verhulst in FIBA action, I thought she was the best player on that squad. She has either leveled off or others have passed her. Citron is a similar type of player but seemingly more impactful than Verhulst so far.

4. Clark broke open the game in the second quarter with a series of bombs. She is a shoot-first point guard which may annoy some UConn fans but I think Geno would love coaching her if she was a Husky.

5. I think Close has done a good job of getting them to play unselfishly. The teams they crushed aren't great but I think it will take a really good team to beat the USA.

6. Close wants to push it. I don't think DeBerry can handle the pace. Was happy to see her score off a nice feed.

How can you judge, DeBerry can't handle the pace, she doesn't get playing time.

 

[mudcat]

o Clarke is a gunner and selfish player she shoots first and never looks to pass

Have to fervently disagree. She shoots a lot because she's often the first (and best) option for the team. She is a willing and able passer (if you examine her stats at all) and tallies a good number of assists. I really dislike it when posters make these character assassinations of teenagers just because they are fans of another team.

 

[oldude]

With all of this talk about Azzi passing too much and not shooting enough, I have to wonder how many shot clock violations UConn will have this year due to Azzi and Paige just continually throwing the ball back and forth to each other.

That might happen once, after which Geno will have a meltdown, and it will never happen again.

 

[PvP]

I don't agree with any of this. I don't see her at all as a pass 1st guard. I just don't see how you (to be fair- others have too) drew this conclusion. You want t her to keep hoisting shots even if she is off rather than also show off that she is one terrific passer?

In game 2 she was 3-9 from the floor. One shot almost broke the backboard - I saw one airball and I heard another was an airball too. You want her to keep hoisting and be a chucker rather than show off other parts of her game? That's not a UCONN player if so.

As Geno has often said, a shooter has to shoot. Azzi has been advertised as a shooter but even in the first game (when she hit 2 of 3 shots) she didn't appear to be looking for her shot. Perhaps she is just adjusting to others around her who were doing the shooting and/or perhaps she, as she has noted, is also quite a nervous individual and was just showing nerves when she took to looking to pass first.

The upshot was that in two games she has contributed 12 points which is not what several of us expected. No one is panicking, other than one responder who has already suggested that she not be a starter with UConn! We are just passing on our reaction to a shooter who wasn't shooting when she was hitting her shot (in the first game) and who wasn't hitting when she was shooting (in the second game.)

 

[DEpup]

I still go back to Close realizes that Azzi has more overall bball skills where most of the other guards can just shoot.

I feel like the team needs Azzi more to facilitate and play defense then they need her shooting so she is playing the role the team needs.

Seems like the perfect UConn player.

 

[cancontent]

I still go back to Close realizes that Azzi has more overall bball skills where most of the other guards can just shoot.

I feel like the team needs Azzi more to facilitate and play defense then they need her shooting so she is playing the role the team needs.

Seems like the perfect UConn player.

Also, with the make up of this team, the coaches may see a different role for her in comparison to how she'll be utilized at UCONN.

Combining the best players who may all have similar qualities is a juggling act. I do not envy these coaches when making their decisions, especially with the roster.

 

[Zarathustra]

Watched the route of Australia. Here is what I noticed.

1. My opinion of Azzi has changed. She is so unselfish, a definite pass-first player. She is one of the few on the team that does a nice job of defending the dribbler. I thought because of her shooting she would start for UConn. I think she will be fine with whatever role Geno has in mind.

2. Lauren Betts and Cameron Brink will be a dynamite tandem in Stanford. Betts has good hands, a nice touch and under control.

3, The last time I saw Peyton Verhulst in FIBA action, I thought she was the best player on that squad. She has either leveled off or others have passed her. Citron is a similar type of player but seemingly more impactful than Verhulst so far.

4. Clark broke open the game in the second quarter with a series of bombs. She is a shoot-first point guard which may annoy some UConn fans but I think Geno would love coaching her if she was a Husky.

5. I think Close has done a good job of getting them to play unselfishly. The teams they crushed aren't great but I think it will take a really good team to beat the USA.

6. Close wants to push it. I don't think DeBerry can handle the pace. Was happy to see her score off a nice feed.

Checking out the " stats" for the first two games. Who is tied for fewest
Turnovers over 2 games? Azzi Fudd! 24 minutes per game, tied for
last in turnover ( there are many players who are tied at # 71 in turnovers.
Also from the "stat line" who is averaging (approximately) a point
a minute? Lauren Betts 14.5 points per game in 15.3 minutes per game
The leading scorer is Shayeann Day Wilson 30pt average per game, 60points, for Canada. 5'6" Guard. 18yoa A player at SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY!!

 

[Zarathustra]

As Geno has often said, a shooter has to shoot. Azzi has been advertised as a shooter but even in the first game (when she hit 2 of 3 shots) she didn't appear to be looking for her shot. Perhaps she is just adjusting to others around her who were doing the shooting and/or perhaps she, as she has noted, is also quite a nervous individual and was just showing nerves when she took to looking to pass first.

The upshot was that in two games she has contributed 12 points which is not what several of us expected. No one is panicking, other than one responder who has already suggested that she not be a starter with UConn! We are just passing on our reaction to a shooter who wasn't shooting when she was hitting her shot (in the first game) and who wasn't hitting when she was shooting (in the second game.)

Azzi is tied for FEWEST turnovers in the tournament over two games. She
is being a "team" player, doing the quiet things that help the team to win.
I saw at least one BEAUTIFUL entry past into the low post by AZZI. ...Image
her having the option to shoot her mid range jumper or pass it down low
to Nelson-Ododa, Dorka J. , Aaliyah Edwarrds, Amari DeBerry, or Piath!
Wonderful anticipation!

 

[hoophuskee]

As Geno has often said, a shooter has to shoot. Azzi has been advertised as a shooter but even in the first game (when she hit 2 of 3 shots) she didn't appear to be looking for her shot. Perhaps she is just adjusting to others around her who were doing the shooting and/or perhaps she, as she has noted, is also quite a nervous individual and was just showing nerves when she took to looking to pass first.

The upshot was that in two games she has contributed 12 points which is not what several of us expected. No one is panicking, other than one responder who has already suggested that she not be a starter with UConn! We are just passing on our reaction to a shooter who wasn't shooting when she was hitting her shot (in the first game) and who wasn't hitting when she was shooting (in the second game.)

I understand your point - hell yeah I'm with ya over the next 4 years in big games we want her shooting (to a degree)! Though if Paige is hot and Cwill is hot and Azzi isn't - we don't want Azzi to keep chucking. This is the beauty of Azzi-

She is more than a shooter. She is showing that to us which just highlights how good she is. Anyone suggesting she is only a shooter or only very good at shooting would be wrong. She’s a triple threat. If her shot is off – she will not keep chucking if her team does not need her to. Geno wouldn't have her do that either. Just like with CWill he got her to do other things. With Azzi she naturally can do other things.

The same with Paige - if her shot is off- she can pass brilliantly. So can Azzi.

 

[oldude]

For all who seem disappointed that Azzi is not putting up 30 ppg in the U-19’s, please be reminded that between injuries and the pandemic, Azzi has played relatively little basketball over the past 2 years. Personally, I am delighted that Azzi appears healthy, moving well and displaying great poise and leadership on the court.

As for Azzi’s shooting, I’ll rely on Geno’s assessment from summer workouts. “She catches it the same way, and shoots it the same way. And because her footwork is always right, it always looks like it’s going in.” He went on to say, “Azzi just walks around like she’s good.”

I think that pretty much sums it up…..,,

 

[TheFarmFan]

The upshot was that in two games she has contributed 12 points which is not what several of us expected. No one is panicking, other than one responder who has already suggested that she not be a starter with UConn! We are just passing on our reaction to a shooter who wasn't shooting when she was hitting her shot (in the first game) and who wasn't hitting when she was shooting (in the second game.)

Take this with the two grains of salt it deserves, but a former boss is a former D1 player, has had multiple kids who've played in the DMV leagues and gone on to play college ball, and has known all the highly recruited DMV-area players, as he's still big in the youth basketball scene. He's seen Fudd play in person a number of times and thinks she is a bit overhyped (esp. post return from injury), and he believes Bueckers will be much more of the star for UConn than Fudd will. I was surprised he said it, but he's no UConn hater - he loves Bueckers and thinks she will be a "once in a generation" player. He just doesn't think Fudd will be. These U19 performances seem more in line with what he expects than what I think some of us were anticipating based on her earlier HS performances.

Fortunately for Huskies fans (and admirers), UConn still has Bueckers (and Geno), and nobody else does. =)

 

[Orangutan]

The leading scorer is Shayeann Day Wilson 30pt average per game, 60points, for Canada. 5'6" Guard. 18yoa A player at SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY!!

Day-Wilson and fellow Canadian Latasha Lattimore decommitted from Syracuse after the resignation of Quentin Hillsman.

 

[JRRRJ]

Mmmm.
Hyperbole or sarcasm ?

Humor

 

[Charliebball]

The first two games of this tournament are the first time I have seen Azzi play actual games and I certainly recognize that two games are way too limited a means for any meaningful judgment particularly as she is playing under a completely different coach, but all that being said, I would have to say that what I saw disappointed me compared to what I expected. She didn't start the first game which surprised me and even though she did start in the second game and played very significant minutes, I agree she seemed like a "pass first" guard rather than the dangerous shooting guard I expected. She seemed quite passive in terms of seeking her shot and even when she took shots in the second game, she didn't shoot with the kind of precision I had expected, either from two point range or from beyond the arc, even tossing up an air ball on one of her three point tries.

I am certainly not making any assumptions, just posting my impression after my first direct exposure to her in game conditions.

Like Paige Bueckers, is just an old basketball soul........she has that special gift of just knowing what to do and where to be on the court at all times.........this is subtle stuff..........are there players who can do more spectacular things on the court? Absolutely but can they do it as part of a team effort? has a refined game that will simply fit right into the UConn team philosophy...............she's played very little basketball in recent months and has come back from several nagging injuries..............revisit some of her high school and AAU highlights and let us know what you think............if she can stay healthy I'm pretty confident you will see her name up on the wall along side with some other pretty special players..........

 

[Orangutan]

I still go back to Close realizes that Azzi has more overall bball skills where most of the other guards can just shoot.

I feel like the team needs Azzi more to facilitate and play defense then they need her shooting so she is playing the role the team needs.

Seems like the perfect UConn player.

I agree with your conclusion but not your premise. Azzi has played solid overall. However, I can't think of which of the guards "can just shoot."

Can't be Citron (tied with posts Betts and Ware for team lead in rebounds with 14).

Can't be Paopao (team-leading 11 ast, team-leading 6 steals).

Can't be Clark (13 reb, team-leading 11 ast)

 

[Orangutan]

For some small sample size theater - here is the team ranked by FIBA's "efficiency" stat (don't ask me how this is calculated). I would say this matches the eye test fairly well:

1. Betts (38)
2. Clark (36)
3. Citron (33)
4. Paopao (30)
5. Johnson (23)
6. Fudd (22)
7. Ware (20)
T8. Spear (19*)
T8. Verhulst (19)
10. Feagin (14)
T11. DeBerry (6)
T11. Wolfenbarger (6)

*Spear did not play vs. Australia.

 

[Charliebball]

Take this with the two grains of salt it deserves, but a former boss is a former D1 player, has had multiple kids who've played in the DMV leagues and gone on to play college ball, and has known all the highly recruited DMV-area players, as he's still big in the youth basketball scene. He's seen Fudd play in person a number of times and thinks she is a bit overhyped (esp. post return from injury), and he believes Bueckers will be much more of the star for UConn than Fudd will. I was surprised he said it, but he's no UConn hater - he loves Bueckers and thinks she will be a "once in a generation" player. He just doesn't think Fudd will be. These U19 performances seem more in line with what he expects than what I think some of us were anticipating based on her earlier HS performances.

Fortunately for Huskies fans (and admirers), UConn still has Bueckers (and Geno), and nobody else does. =)

I'm simply not buying that line of thinking.............as long as she's healthy, there's very little Azzi Fudd can't do on a basketball court.........just a matter of whether Bueckers or Fudd records the first 30 point, 10 assist game of the season.......

 

[oldude]

Take this with the two grains of salt it deserves, but a former boss is a former D1 player, has had multiple kids who've played in the DMV leagues and gone on to play college ball, and has known all the highly recruited DMV-area players, as he's still big in the youth basketball scene. He's seen Fudd play in person a number of times and thinks she is a bit overhyped (esp. post return from injury), and he believes Bueckers will be much more of the star for UConn than Fudd will. I was surprised he said it, but he's no UConn hater - he loves Bueckers and thinks she will be a "once in a generation" player. He just doesn't think Fudd will be. These U19 performances seem more in line with what he expects than what I think some of us were anticipating based on her earlier HS performances.

Fortunately for Huskies fans (and admirers), UConn still has Bueckers (and Geno), and nobody else does. =)

Your source wouldn’t be Coach Jumper?

 

[fan4eva]

Have to fervently disagree. She shoots a lot because she's often the first (and best) option for the team. She is a willing and able passer (if you examine her stats at all) and tallies a good number of assists. I really dislike it when posters make these character assassinations of teenagers just because they are fans of another team.

bcuz I said she's a gunner is not character assassination I don't her to comment on her character but from I see in basketball she's a gunner period as for being the best option on her team that can fly for Iowa maybe I don't follow Iowa but on team USA i'm sure there are a lot options than her so if's she's such a good passer then her assist should be better than what she's average in college. so sir don't try and assassinate the character of other BY'ers who offer their opinions I think that's what the forum is for

 

[hoophuskee]

I agree with your conclusion but not your premise. Azzi has played solid overall. However, I can't think of which of the guards "can just shoot."

Can't be Citron (tied with posts Betts and Ware for team lead in rebounds with 14).

Can't be Paopao (team-leading 11 ast, team-leading 6 steals).

Can't be Clark (13 reb, team-leading 11 ast)

I tend to go with DePup more than what you're saying in terms of context (they all can't both be significantly good passers and shooters otherwise we'd be having 5/6/7 All-American college players on this team.). I don’t know enough about the other players and you and many others have a ton more knowledge of all these players- but I sort of focused on 2 players other than Azzi. with the 1st game I was cracking up when Azzi was in there with Clark and Johnson. Don't get me wrong -- these are two amazing players. And ofc Clark is off-the-charts.

But sticking to Johnson-- she's a reluctant passer. I just want to make it clear - I think she's terrific - but just look at her stats when she was at RU. She is 5'5? And she averaged nearly 13 shots a game - and averaging 33.5 mpg, she only averaged a little above 2.5 assists with a not so hot assist to turnover ratio of 1.4. All in al not bad for a frosh but she did average over 40% more shots taken than the 3rd and 4th players on her RU team (which she is leaving now.). - But now let's look at this team.

She's 2nd on the team with 20 shots taken so far. Her assist to turnover ratio is 2nd worst on the team even though she is a 5'5 uber quick guard. She has been terrific a very efficient scorer for a guard but man, she is a gunner like Clark.

That 1st game it was pretty comical in 2nd half Johnson is bringing the ball up and either she is going to make a move on her own or she is going to pass it to the team's 1st option - which is Clark. By the way, I think with that lineup Betts was in. It's comical because it seemed so futile that Azzi was going to get many touches.

So yeah Johnson and Clark can pass. But that's not what they are looking to do. If Azzi is going to play with Johnson, Clark and Betts (Betts is beast) - Azzi isn't going to get many looks even though the other players "can pass."

 

[AgStatesman]

Mmmm.
Hyperbole or sarcasm ?

Yes!

(okay, okay, it's sarcasm)

 

[Alydar]

As Geno has often said, a shooter has to shoot. Azzi has been advertised as a shooter but even in the first game (when she hit 2 of 3 shots) she didn't appear to be looking for her shot. Perhaps she is just adjusting to others around her who were doing the shooting and/or perhaps she, as she has noted, is also quite a nervous individual and was just showing nerves when she took to looking to pass first.

The upshot was that in two games she has contributed 12 points which is not what several of us expected. No one is panicking, other than one responder who has already suggested that she not be a starter with UConn! We are just passing on our reaction to a shooter who wasn't shooting when she was hitting her shot (in the first game) and who wasn't hitting when she was shooting (in the second game.)

Keep in mind that in the 2019 U19, it was Rhyne Howard who was the feature shooter and leading scorer and yet Paige won MVP.

 

[Amashutcha]

Take this with the two grains of salt it deserves, but a former boss is a former D1 player, has had multiple kids who've played in the DMV leagues and gone on to play college ball, and has known all the highly recruited DMV-area players, as he's still big in the youth basketball scene. He's seen Fudd play in person a number of times and thinks she is a bit overhyped (esp. post return from injury), and he believes Bueckers will be much more of the star for UConn than Fudd will. I was surprised he said it, but he's no UConn hater - he loves Bueckers and thinks she will be a "once in a generation" player. He just doesn't think Fudd will be. These U19 performances seem more in line with what he expects than what I think some of us were anticipating based on her earlier HS performances.

Fortunately for Huskies fans (and admirers), UConn still has Bueckers (and Geno), and nobody else does. =)

Hopefully he's wrong but I can totally see it. Only time will tell.

 

[cancontent]

Take this with the two grains of salt it deserves, but a former boss is a former D1 player, has had multiple kids who've played in the DMV leagues and gone on to play college ball, and has known all the highly recruited DMV-area players, as he's still big in the youth basketball scene. He's seen Fudd play in person a number of times and thinks she is a bit overhyped (esp. post return from injury), and he believes Bueckers will be much more of the star for UConn than Fudd will. I was surprised he said it, but he's no UConn hater - he loves Bueckers and thinks she will be a "once in a generation" player. He just doesn't think Fudd will be. These U19 performances seem more in line with what he expects than what I think some of us were anticipating based on her earlier HS performances.

Fortunately for Huskies fans (and admirers), UConn still has Bueckers (and Geno), and nobody else does. =)

Hopefully he's wrong but I can totally see it. Only time will tell.

There's something to be said about a lot of the hype that comes with these athletes coming into their respective program. We see it on social media all the time....."This kids a problem", "Up next", "Top 50 of whatever class", etc. How many of these players actually end up being the next big thing? We're starting to rely too much on 30 - 60 second highlight videos and the social media machine that churns this out.

Fudd could end up being a legendary player and Bueckers could still outshine her. It happens all the time in all sports. And if this ends up being the case UCONN fans won't be complaining.

 

[Dillon77]

For some small sample size theater - here is the team ranked by FIBA's "efficiency" stat (don't ask me how this is calculated). I would say this matches the eye test fairly well:

1. Betts (38)
2. Clark (36)
3. Citron (33)
4. Paopao (30)
5. Johnson (23)
6. Fudd (22)
7. Ware (20)
T8. Spear (19*)
T8. Verhulst (19)
10. Feagin (14)
T11. DeBerry (6)
T11. Wolfenbarger (6)

*Spear did not play vs. Australia.

Save for Betts, the +/- is pretty similar:

1) Spears - 36.0*
2) Citron - 32.5
T3) Clark - 26.5
T3) Paopao - 26.5
5) Fudd - 25.5
6) Johnson - 25.0
7) Verhulst - 24.5
8) Feagin - 24.0
9) Ware - 22.0
10) Betts - 18.0
11) Wolfenbarger - 3.5
12) DeBerry - 1.5

 

[PvP]

Keep in mind that in the 2019 U19, it was Rhyne Howard who was the feature shooter and leading scorer and yet Paige won MVP.

Ok I will keep that in mind. So, with that in mind, are you suggesting that Azzi has been the MVP of the US squad over these first two games? If so, I'm not seeing it. If not, what is your point?