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UConnDan97 said:
Well why did you choose to use Lynch instead of Wentz (North Dakota State) from the 2016 draft? I know, I know... AAC, right? ;)

Look, I've already said that Alabama is going to have much more sway and rightfully so. I'm using Alabama as the P5 example, perhaps uneffectively. How about I change the name to Michigan State?

I'm guessing you can understand the point if the choice for a 3 star athlete is to ride the pine at MSU or start all 4 years at UConn, that the latter offers him a better chance at the NFL if he truly is NFL material. That's the point here...
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North Dakota State is neither in the G5 or AAC...
 
If I'm a recruit, and Nick Saban thinks I'm good enough to earn a scholarship at Bama, then I see no reason to believe that I can't/won't ever see the field.

I'd give it a shot, maybe win a national championship in my career. If I've spent a 2-3 years there, and don't play, maybe then I consider transferring, or doing a grad transfer year somewhere I have a better chance.

But it's hard to convince a kid he's not good enough to see the field at Bama, OSU, Clemson etc., when the best coaches in the country are telling him he is.
 
whaler11 said:
If Alabama is recruiting you then you aren’t a mid level prospect.

Should the 20th kid in Missouri’s class pick Tulsa? Maybe - but that has nothing to do with the kids picking between Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State.
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I would have to respectfully disagree. Alabama and lots of those schools recruit guys for competitive depth in practice as well. Everyone that signs with Alabama is not a 5 Star recruit. Which means everyone who’s offered wasn’t a 4 or 5 Star. There are lots of 3 star guys on those rosters man. Mid level prospects
 
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UConnDan97 said:
I'm talking about the lower ranked 4 star athlete and the 3 star athlete. THAT'S the kid that would be better served to choose UConn over the bench at a brand name P5 school...
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You’re not thinking like or w/ the ego of a 17/18 y/o... ;) P5 cachet is a strong pull.
 
WingU-Conn said:
If I'm a recruit, and Nick Saban thinks I'm good enough to earn a scholarship at Bama, then I see no reason to believe that I can't/won't ever see the field.

I'd give it a shot, maybe win a national championship in my career. If I've spent a 2-3 years there, and don't play, maybe then I consider transferring, or doing a grad transfer year somewhere I have a better chance.

But it's hard to convince a kid he's not good enough to see the field at Bama, OSU, Clemson etc., when the best coaches in the country are telling him he is.
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I get what you are saying. And I agree that’s what the recruit is likely to believe. We are just poiting out that it’s a foolish choice because they sit the bench, get beat up in practice and are not being evaluated as a game rep player at the next level.
Again, I’m not disagreeing with you all in terms of the choice a kid is likely going to make.
 
Hornet22 said:
I would have to respectfully disagree. Alabama and lots of those schools recruit guys for competitive depth in practice as well. Everyone that signs with Alabama is not a 5 Star recruit. Which means everyone who’s offered wasn’t a 4 or 5 Star. There are lots of 3 star guys on those rosters man. Mid level prospects
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Okey dokey.

The way to the NFL is to go to a G5 program with lesser coaching and competition.

That’s your argument....
 
huskymedic said:
You’re not thinking like or w/ the ego of a 17/18 y/o... ;)
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Perhaps not. But I'm definitely thinking like a UConn recruiter. ;)

I'm a little too lazy to do the analysis, but I'd love to see percentages of 3 star athletes who make the NFL via the P5 and 3 star athletes who make it outside of the P5. Anecdotally, I think the latter must be larger but having the numbers would be nice. If true, that's something I would have in my back pocket on recruiting trips for the Huskies... #REStorred
 
So the idea is that if you want to be drafted into the NFL you're better off at G5 than the likes of Alabama? P5 schools sometimes get their backup quarterbacks drafted...Bama and OSU have had years where they've had like 10 guys drafted
 
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uconnphil2016 said:
So the idea is that if you want to be drafted into the NFL you're better off at G5 than the likes of Alabama? P5 schools sometimes get their backup quarterbacks drafted...Bama and OSU have had years where they've had like 10 guys drafted
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Oh good Christ.

Go back and read the responses so that I don't have to type thing five times...
 
whaler11 said:
Okey dokey.

The way to the NFL is to go to a G5 program with lesser coaching and competition.

That’s your argument....
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Nope. Not my argument.
Just ask yourself this question. How many times have you seen a kid get drafted in the top 3 or 4 rounds and not see any game film on him after he got drafted?
My argument is this. If you’re not in the ESPN top 300 and you’ve been offered by a couple of P5’s and the majority G5’s you need to sit and think about it. If the roster of the P5 schools that offered you are full of 4 and 5 Star guys there’s a likelihood that you’ll be riding the pine. And if your goal is to make the NFL you need to consider where you’ll best get a chance to see the field. Because at the end of the day, if I’m advising, I’ll tell the prospect screw being able to say you “play” for Alabama. If you go to any of the G5 schools ala UConn, you’ll get a chance to showcase your abilities against a few P5’s and a decent G5 schedule. And as for strengthening and conditioning, I follow Tennessee and they’ve had a Horrible showing of a strength program for years. Just because you go to a P5 doesn’t mean your preparation will be better. Lashlee is a former P5 Guy. Aren’t the UConn players going to be guided under his tutilege? Edsall has tons of knowledge and coached in the NFL. You mean to tell me our guys aren’t going to get coached well?
 
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UConnDan97 said:
Oh good Christ.

Go back and read the responses so that I don't have to type thing five times...
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I feel your pain.
But the BY is alive so I’m ok with the dead horse getting beat
 
The problem in this thread is that folks like Lynch and Bortles are being brought up to refute my point.

Wrong. They confirm it. They made it to the league. They aren't as good as many of the other QBs from the SEC. But they got their contracts.

That's the point. If a 3 star athlete (outside the top 250) really wants to make it to the NFL, they should seek to maximize their field time and exposure. That's all I'm saying here, folks. Nothing more than that...
 
uconnphil2016 said:
So the idea is that if you want to be drafted into the NFL you're better off at G5 than the likes of Alabama? P5 schools sometimes get their backup quarterbacks drafted...Bama and OSU have had years where they've had like 10 guys drafted
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Sorry guys. But just like recruiting for college. I don’t care if you go to Bishop Gorman. And most of those guys get recruited to go there. If you’re riding the pine it would be tougher to get an offer from a major D1 program if there isn’t much film to evaluate. Just sayin
 
UConnDan97 said:
The problem in this thread is that folks like Lynch and Bortles are being brought up to refute my point.

Wrong. They confirm it. They made it to the league. They aren't as good as many of the other QBs from the SEC. But they got their contracts.

That's the point. If a 3 star athlete (outside the top 250) really wants to make it to the NFL, they should seek to maximize their field time and exposure. That's all I'm saying here, folks. Nothing more than that...
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Me too! Me too!
 
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Hornet22 said:
Nope. Not my argument.
Just ask yourself this question. How many times have you seen a kid get drafted in the top 3 or 4 rounds and not see any game film on him after he got drafted?
My argument is this. If you’re not in the ESPN top 300 and you’ve been offered by a couple of P5’s and the majority G5’s you need to sit and think about it. If the roster of the P5 schools that offered you are full of 4 and 5 Star guys there’s a likelihood that you’ll be riding the pine. And if your goal is to make the NFL you need to consider where you’ll best get a chance to see the field. Because at the end of the day, if I’m advising, I’ll tell the prospect screw being able to say you “play” for Alabama. If you go to any of the G5 schools ala UConn, you’ll get a chance to showcase your abilities against a few P5’s and a decent G5 schedule. And as for strengthening and conditioning, I follow Tennessee and they’ve had a Spartacus-ing show of a strength program for years. Just because you go to a P5 doesn’t mean your preparation will be better. Lashlee is a former P5 Guy. Aren’t the UConn players going to be guided under his tutilege? Edsall has tons of knowledge and coached in the NFL. You mean to tell me our guys aren’t going to get coached well?
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If you don’t get on the field you weren’t good enough to play in the NFL.

Your assumption is insane: That players good enough to play in the NFL don’t get on the field because they chose a higher level of college competition.

There is a reason why almost no one does what you are proposing. Sorry Michigan State - I’m worried I can’t compete - I’m going to go to a directional Michigan - says no one ever.
 
whaler11 said:
If you don’t get on the field you weren’t good enough to play in the NFL.

Your assumption is insane: That players good enough to play in the NFL don’t get on the field because they chose a higher level of college competition.

There is a reason why almost no one does what you are proposing. Sorry Michigan State - I’m worried I can’t compete - I’m going to go to a directional Michigan - says no one ever.
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Everyone thinks they can compete, like Medic said. But they also know when there might be a chance that they are buried behind folks on a 2-deep (it happens in hoops too, like when a point guard sees that his team recruited another point guard and then decommits). It happens all the time in multiple sports...
 
UConnDan97 said:
The problem in this thread is that folks like Lynch and Bortles are being brought up to refute my point.

Wrong. They confirm it. They made it to the league. They aren't as good as many of the other QBs from the SEC. But they got their contracts.

That's the point. If a 3 star athlete (outside the top 250) really wants to make it to the NFL, they should seek to maximize their field time and exposure. That's all I'm saying here, folks. Nothing more than that...
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I'm with you on this. The bulk of the prospects every year are 3* and less. The 3* and less make up bench players at P5's and fill out rosters at the G5 level. If you're going to be a 3rd string in the SEC go star at G5 school and be a bigger fish in a smaller pond so to speak. Just merely signing with a P5 school isn't going to get you to the league. Being a contributor and a stand out will.
 
UConnDan97 said:
Everyone thinks they can compete, like Medic said. But they also know when there might be a chance that they are buried behind folks on a 2-deep (it happens in hoops too, like when a point guard sees that his team recruited another point guard and them decommits). It happens all the time in multiple sports...
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So why aren’t there more impactful transfers in CFB? Shouldn’t there be dozens of really good players on the market who just can’t get on the field?

Of course there isn’t - because outside of kicker and QB if you are good enough to play in the NFL you get on the field.
 
whaler11 said:
So why aren’t there more impactful transfers in CFB? Shouldn’t there be dozens of really good players on the market who just can’t get on the field?

Of course there isn’t - because outside of kicker and QB if you are good enough to play in the NFL you get on the field.
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Ughh.

Because they are STILL 3 star athletes!

C'mon man. I know that you and I are on the same page when it comes to the strong advantage that 5 star and 4 star athletes have in making it to the NFL. The percentages are already out there and they are clearly much higher for those athletes.

I'm saying that if you are in the next tier of athlete, you are so much better off being on the field multiple years and getting better numbers at schools like UConn...
 
UConnDan97 said:
Ughh.

Because they are STILL 3 star athletes!

C'mon man. I know that you and I are on the same page when it comes to the strong advantage that 5 star and 4 star athletes have in making it to the NFL. The percentages are already out there and they are clearly much higher for those athletes.

I'm saying that if you are in the next tier of athlete, you are so much better off being on the field multiple years and getting better numbers at schools like UConn...
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I don’t agree that NFL quality players don’t play.

In the modern game the pace is so high teams and there are so mang injuries teams use 6 wide receivers, 7-8 defensive backs. 7-8 defensive linemen.

Nobody keeps an NFL quality players on the bench. They move them someplace they can contribute.

If there were very good players sitting on P5 benches the transfer market would be full of them. There are next to zero.

Just because some site lumps them together as 3 stars - they aren’t equal in the minds of the people recruting them.
 
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Pretty much every big company in the world ranks their employees 1-4 or 1-5 and sticks 80% in the middle bucket. Do you beleive every person you work with who is rated ‘meets expectations’ is the same?
 
whaler11 said:
If you don’t get on the field you weren’t good enough to play in the NFL.

Your assumption is insane: That players good enough to play in the NFL don’t get on the field because they chose a higher level of college competition.

There is a reason why almost no one does what you are proposing. Sorry Michigan State - I’m worried I can’t compete - I’m going to go to a directional Michigan - says no one ever.
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Huh? Are u even reading my posts man? Seriously
 
Hornet22 said:
Huh? Are u even reading my posts man? Seriously
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The problem is you don’t see the logical conclusions of your assumptions.

You want what you are saying to be true. It’s just not.
 
whaler11 said:
If you don’t get on the field you weren’t good enough to play in the NFL.

Your assumption is insane: That players good enough to play in the NFL don’t get on the field because they chose a higher level of college competition.

There is a reason why almost no one does what you are proposing. Sorry Michigan State - I’m worried I can’t compete - I’m going to go to a directional Michigan - says no one ever.
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Sorry. Don’t agree with you there. It’s a numbers game brother. Sometimes there are just too many crabs in the bucket. There are so many players on those rosters that were recruited that just couldn’t get on the field because the two deep just doesn’t allow for everyone to play. Heck only 60 something guys make the travel roster. That’s why you see so many guys transferring out of those schools. Because they realize there’s no room for them. Not because they weren’t good enough
 
whaler11 said:
The problem is you don’t see the logical conclusions of your assumptions.

You want what you are saying to be true. It’s just not.
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It’s not about truth or lies. My point is it’s way easier for a four year starter at a UConn that puts up good numbers to get noticed and courted by an NFL scout than someone who never sees the field at Alabama. And if you think otherwise than we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Sure I know most kids who get recruited by an Alabama will choose them over UConn because they will always believe in their ability to see the field. And God bless them for that. But that choice, if it lands you on the bench, was a bad one.
It’s extremely difficult to get to the NFL from the bench. Not impossible but very difficult.
 
whaler11 said:
I don’t agree that NFL quality players don’t play.

In the modern game the pace is so high teams and there are so mang injuries teams use 6 wide receivers, 7-8 defensive backs. 7-8 defensive linemen.

Nobody keeps an NFL quality players on the bench. They move them someplace they can contribute.

If there were very good players sitting on P5 benches the transfer market would be full of them. There are next to zero.

Just because some site lumps them together as 3 stars - they aren’t equal in the minds of the people recruting them.
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We're not talking about the same thing.

There are players that are further in their development to the NFL in high school than others. Then, there are also players who are behind in their development but have the talent to be developed. Then, there are players that are behind in development and do not have the talent to be developed. Let's call that last group "RKGs".

I'm not talking about the RKGs. I'm talking about the players that have the talent but will be a multi-year development. Those players will thrive on teams that get them more burn. I'm completely confident of that. UConn's entire NFL history is made up from that group, as we've only had a couple of 4 star players (Difton, Miller) and neither went anywhere.

Nobody should be talking about the RKGs being anything more than what they are...
 
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