Now that Christmas is over....

[whaler11]

No. My point was that there are more kids on the MSU bench that could equally get a contract if they got more exposure vs another player there on the 2-deep. That's all I've been saying. Literally nothing more than that...

That’s just what you want to be true.

It doesn’t even hold up to the slightest amount of scrutiny.

Player is good enough to play in NFL but not good enough to crack the 2-deep at Michigan State? Come on

 

[Hornet22]

Oh so you just want to decide where people should have gone to school after their careers are over. Sure you’ll do a better job of distributing talent in that case.

Ha!
Just simply saying that all the kids you eventually transferred out of those P5’s, had they thought strategically rather than with their egos, could have avoided the inevitable.
Morrison probably looked at the UConn roster and licked his chops. Again, FBS football is FBS football. Especially when you’re talking next level potential. When you land at a P5 or G5 you are in a sweet spot. The deciding factor, in my opinion, is playing time. Go to an FBS where you have a pretty good chance of seeing the field. I’m strictly assessing this from an NFL perspective and having the best shot.

 

[whaler11]

Ha!
Just simply saying that all the kids you eventually transferred out of those P5’s, had they thought strategically rather than with their egos, could have avoided the inevitable.
Morrison probably looked at the UConn roster and licked his chops. Again, FBS football is FBS football. Especially when you’re talking next level potential. When you land at a P5 or G5 you are in a sweet spot. The deciding factor, in my opinion, is playing time. Go to an FBS where you have a pretty good chance of seeing the field. I’m strictly assessing this from an NFL perspective and having the best shot.

Yet thousands upon thousands of players, their families and their coaches have looked at it and come to the opposite conclusion...

 

[Hornet22]

Medic shows that your assumption based of anicdotes was horrifically wrong.

Please stop pretending there are NFL caliber players who don’t crack 2-deeps. It’s an absurd assumption.

I’m sure there are players who leave P5’s and head to an FCS that make it to the NFL.

 

[whaler11]

I’m sure there are players who leave P5’s and head to an FCS that make it to the NFL.

Are you sure like Dan was 3 stars make if from the G5 and not the P5?

 

[UConnDan97]

That’s just what you want to be true.

It doesn’t even hold up to the slightest amount of scrutiny.

Player is good enough to play in NFL but not good enough to crack the 2-deep at Michigan State? Come on

Again, you're missing the point of what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is that there are in some instances equivalent players on the bench vs the ones on the field for those schools. Both "could" get drafted. One does, due to exposure.

I mean, Jesus, we had players like Knappe and Levy getting on 53 man rosters in the NFL when most UConn fans thought they were marginal at best! And you know they wouldn't have made the field at MSU. Yet there they were in NFL camps.

That's what I'm saying. And I'm saying there are a bunch of players like that, too...

 

[Hornet22]

Yet thousands upon thousands of players, their families and their coaches have looked at it and come to the opposite conclusion...

And lots of those players sat the pine and didn’t get developed via game reps and fizzled out (gave up on football, got in trouble, etc).
I don’t care if you were a high caliber player that got recruited. If you don’t see the field and get developed that way your skills won’t improve. You’re simply saying if they don’t see the field then it’s because they weren’t good or NFL caliber. I disagree.

 

[whaler11]

Again, you're missing the point of what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is that there are in some instances equivalent players on the bench vs the ones on the field for those schools. Both "could" get drafted. One does, due to exposure.

I mean, Jesus, we had players like Knappe and Levy getting on 53 man rosters in the NFL when most UConn fans thought they were marginal at best! And you know they wouldn't have made the field at MSU. Yet there they were in NFL camps.

That's what I'm saying. And I'm saying there are a bunch of players like that, too...

Pretty much everyone with a pulse at Michigan State or equiv gets an NFL camp invite.

Rutgers had like 17 a few years ago.

 

[huskymedic]

Hey Medic, do you know historically how many kids are rated 3 stars roughly? The article you have says they are the largest talent pool, yet only produced about 20 more NFLers than the 4 stars.

Part of that I'm sure is simply because they are less talented. But another part of that must be that they are buried in the same teams if their numbers are much larger...

It’s the season of giving... Your guide to the stars: What the ratings for college football recruits really mean

>>There are currently 1,779 three-star recruits for this class. Three-star recruits and above represent the top 60.5 percent of students on the list and about 0.78 percent of all high school seniors.<<

 

[whaler11]

And lots of those players sat the pine and didn’t get developed via game reps and fizzled out (gave up on football, got in trouble, etc).
I don’t care if you were a high caliber player that got recruited. If you don’t see the field and get developed that way your skills won’t improve. You’re simply saying if they don’t see the field then it’s because they weren’t good or NFL caliber. I disagree.

Hey maybe everyone is wrong and you are right. Happens to me sometimes .

 

[Hornet22]

That’s just what you want to be true.

It doesn’t even hold up to the slightest amount of scrutiny.

Player is good enough to play in NFL but not good enough to crack the 2-deep at Michigan State? Come on

So let me ask you a simple question Whaler. And please give me a simple answer. Considering the 2 deep. Let’s say for instance Alabama has 15 scholarship DB’s and of those 5 are 5 star and the rest are 4 star. All of those guys can’t play can they? So you’re telling us the ones that can’t crack that two deep shouldn’t have had stars and aren’t good enough to make the NFL? Doesn’t it become a numbers game? Teams only take 65 players or so on the road. So you’re telling us all the guys that are left behind (scholarship guys) are not good on Bama’s roster?

 

[UConnDan97]

It’s the season of giving... Your guide to the stars: What the ratings for college football recruits really mean

>>There are currently 1,779 three-star recruits for this class. Three-star recruits and above represent the top 60.5 percent of students on the list and about 0.78 percent of all high school seniors.<<

Thanks for doing that.

So what we're looking at is that the 3 star athletes outnumber the combined 4/5 star athletes by more than 4 to 1. That's not even including the two star or no star.

Now I'm convinced I'm right. There are a bunch of players on those rosters that are not getting looks. I won't argue the point anymore, but the numbers tell me what I needed to know.

Come to UConn, folks! You'll get your 6th round pick locked up...

 

[whaler11]

So let me ask you a simple question Whaler. And please give me a simple answer. Considering the 2 deep. Let’s say for instance Alabama has 15 scholarship DB’s and of those 5 are 5 star and the rest are 4 star. All of those guys can’t play can they? So you’re telling us the ones that can’t crack that two deep shouldn’t have had stars and aren’t good enough to make the NFL? Doesn’t it become a numbers game? Teams only take 65 players or so on the road. So you’re telling us all the guys that are left behind (scholarship guys) are not good on Bama’s roster?

Let’s say they have 15? 2 redshirt, 1 is hurt - maybe 12 are available Saturday.

They play 7-8 in a close conference game. 10 in one of their constant blowouts.

They also give you 5 years to play 4.

They also have a pro workout days and they give camp invites to anyone willing to play tackling dummy.

Why don’t these NFL caliber bench warmers transfer? Why is the transfer market jammed up with Tre Bell and not NFL McFourstar.

 

[whaler11]

Thanks for doing that.

So what we're looking at is that the 3 star athletes outnumber the combined 4/5 star athletes by more than 4 to 1. That's not even including the two star or no star.

Now I'm convinced I'm right. There are a bunch of players on those rosters that are not getting looks. I won't argue the point anymore, but the numbers tell me what I needed to know.

Come to UConn, folks! You'll get your 6th round pick locked up...

You do realize you are making the exact opposite argument you’d make on the soccer board right?

By the logic in this thread Americans should play in MLS than go to Europe.

 

[UConnDan97]

You do realize you are making the exact opposite argument you’d make on the soccer board right?

By the logic in this thread Americans should play in MLS than go to Europe.

Actually, I've made the same argument on the soccer board, and it is absolutely true. American players had a better chance of making the national team via the MLS starting squads versus riding the pine in Europe, and I've said as much.

The problem is that you are trying to answer a different question than the one I'm answering. I'm not saying which one makes you a better or more impactful professional player (Europe probably does). I'm saying which one gives you a better chance to get there! And the soccer analogy is a perfect one to describe why that's true...

 

[Exit 4]

Looking at this a different way, aside from Jordan Todman and maybe Kendall Reyes, i’m not sure any Uconn player that got to the NFL would have ever cracked the two deep at a top 10 college program at any time. Almost all of our NFL bound players required heavy - heavy loads of playing time to develop their game and display their ability. I’m talking about the kids that got drafted or have managed to stick to the active roster as free agents (Andrew Adams). In a top 10 program there are multiple new 4 and 5 star toys every year that would have kept these guys off the field.

 

[Guru13]

Looking at this a different way, aside from Jordan Todman and maybe Kendall Reyes, i’m not sure any Uconn player that got to the NFL would have ever cracked the two deep at a top 10 college program at any time. Almost all of our NFL bound players required heavy - heavy loads of playing time to develop their game and display their ability. I’m talking about the kids that got drafted or have managed to stick to the active roster as free agents (Andrew Adams). In a top 10 program there are multiple new 4 and 5 star toys every year that would have kept these guys off the field.

So looking at the Uconn roster with the new recruits, who do ya'll think has a chance of making the starting lineups that are 3 stars athletes and also making the NFL. We have a lot of younger guys with potential and there are probably gonna be some recruits that will end up locking up a spot for the next 3 years at Uconn.

 

[BlueMAB]

I get what you are saying. And I agree that’s what the recruit is likely to believe. We are just poiting out that it’s a foolish choice because they sit the bench, get beat up in practice and are not being evaluated as a game rep player at the next level.
Again, I’m not disagreeing with you all in terms of the choice a kid is likely going to make.

You're creating a straw man here. I refuse to accept the premise/assumption that if you're a 3-star athlete you're nailed to the bench just because there are guys rated higher by the scouts. Who's rating is more credible, Nick Saban's or Scout.com's?

Unless he's a QB, K or P, if he cracks the 2 deep, he'll see game time. If he's not good enough to crack the 2-deep, he's probably not good enough for the NFL.

For scalitos and giggles I looked at the 2014-2017 Bama classes. 15 total. More guys became starters than ended up transferring. Most guys got PT. 1 never enrolled, 3 were JuCos, and 3 transferred (2 P5, and 1G5)..

2014 They had four 3-stars. One was the #1 JuCo TE in the country, and played 2 years. One is now their starting punter, one is no longer on the roster (transferred to Minnesota), and the other never enrolled (went Juco).

2015: Four 3-stars. 1 transferred to Wisconsin, 1 was a JuCo who was dismissed for domestic violence, one is a RS Soph ST specialist who saw time as a RS soph, and played in every game in 2016, the last one was the starting right tackle as an RS sophomore last year.

2016: Seven 3-stars. 1 transferred to WVU, 1 (TE) played in 15 games as a true freshman, but saw his time drop last year. 1 played as a true freshman and played in all but 2 games in 2016 (missed 2 due to injury). 1 was a JuCo and was in the rotation on the DL last year. Another (TE) played in 12 games (3 starts) in 2016, and also played as a true frosh. 1 transferred to UCF. The last one played as a RS freshman, and started last year as a RS sophomore.

You can't simply conclude all of these three star guys will be nailed to the bench. Most of them either play, if they don't, they leave. You've got 3-star guys who earned starting time at RB, TE, and OT. A special-teamer who plays every game. A couple JuCos who played TE and DL, and a few guys who transferred to P5, or the best G5 program in the country right now. You'll never convince me taking your a chance to play at Bama, only to transfer to UCF, Minnesota, or Wisconsin, means you and your family made a huge mistake.

Would some of those guys get more time elsewhere? Maybe. But they're playing at Bama. They'll get evaluated by scouts who understand what that means. They'll get camp invites. They'll have a pro day. If they don't get drafted, you can't just assume they would have if they went a different route. And most importantly: They. Played. At. Bama.

 

[UConnDan97]

So looking at the Uconn roster with the new recruits, who do ya'll think has a chance of making the starting lineups that are 3 stars athletes and also making the NFL. We have a lot of younger guys with potential and there are probably gonna be some recruits that will end up locking up a spot for the next 3 years at Uconn.

In terms of 3 star UConn commits, the first name that jumps out is Travis Jones. If the reports are accurate, it's almost certain that he'll see the field for the majority of his four years. Another one that could possibly fit the bill is Krajewski. I'm not sure if he's a good enough QB to start his freshman year, but it's clear that we're expecting great things from him too. He led his high school to the Georgia championship game...

 

[Exit 4]

So looking at the Uconn roster with the new recruits, who do ya'll think has a chance of making it to the NFL. We have a lot of younger guys with potential and there are probably gonna be some recruits that will end up locking up a spot for the next 3 years at Uconn.

I have not watched every senior tape....but I like Morrison to be an impact athlete in the secondary and I also like Paul as a surprise at Cb. I like Travis Jones, Uguak and Kevon Jones to be plus level players overall. I worry that Webb might have dominated inferior completion, but we’ll see.

Elsewhere I think Jeffreys has surprising athletism, maursseau has some fine route running ability. Nyadu - love his tape and the level of kids he was playing. Neiwdowski (sp) has real potential to be good.

But circling back to the NFL question, I like Morrison on defense and Nyadu on offense as possible NFL players with second/third choices being T. jones or Uguak on D and neidrowski / Krajewski on offense.

I probably forgot someone, that’s my thinking on the fly.

 

[whaler11]

Looking at this a different way, aside from Jordan Todman and maybe Kendall Reyes, i’m not sure any Uconn player that got to the NFL would have ever cracked the two deep at a top 10 college program at any time. Almost all of our NFL bound players required heavy - heavy loads of playing time to develop their game and display their ability. I’m talking about the kids that got drafted or have managed to stick to the active roster as free agents (Andrew Adams). In a top 10 program there are multiple new 4 and 5 star toys every year that would have kept these guys off the field.

The coaches at top 10 schools are too stupid to play the best players on their roster.

Another interesting angle.

 

[Guru13]

In terms of 3 star UConn commits, the first name that jumps out is Travis Jones. If the reports are accurate, it's almost certain that he'll see the field for the majority of his four years. Another one that could possibly fit the bill is Krajewski. I'm not sure if he's a good enough QB to start his freshman year, but it's clear that we're expecting great things from him too. He led his high school to the Georgia championship game...

Yea Travis Jones will be taking someone spot at DT, I have a feeling will see him at DE too in some situations. Krajewski will definitely be a starter probably after a redshirt year or maybe in year two as an RS SO. We also have Nyadu who will probably end up competing for a starter position after a redshirt season or he may end up on the two-deep in the fall, he is enrolling early so he as an advantage to quickly learn the playbook and get bigger

 

[Exit 4]

The coaches at top 10 schools are too stupid to play the best players on their roster.

Another interesting angle.

You are assuming practice delivers clear results as to who the best players are which is not always the case. Almost none of our NFL bound kids looked very special in high school or - moreover during their first three years at Uconn even after getting a ton of reps. The only player I thought had a sure fire NFL career from day one at Uconn was Toddman.

 

[whaler11]

You are assuming practice delivers clear results as to who the best players are which is not always the case. Almost none of our NFL bound kids looked very special in high school or - moreover during their first three years at Uconn even after getting a ton of reps. The only player I thought had a sure fire NFL career from day one at Uconn was Toddman.

This seems like a bigger stretch than the best coaches in the country misevaluating their own rosters so badly that only 2 of UConn’s NFL players would have been on their two-deep?

 

[Guru13]

I have not watched every senior tape....but I like Morrison to be an impact athlete in the secondary and I also like Paul as a surprise at Cb. I like Travis Jones, Uguak and Kevon Jones to be plus level players overall. I worry that Webb might have dominated inferior completion, but we’ll see.

Elsewhere I think Jeffreys has surprising athletism, maursseau has some fine route running ability. Nyadu - love his tape and the level of kids he was playing. Neiwdowski (sp) has real potential to be good.

But circling back to the NFL question, I like Morrison on defense and Nyadu on offense as possible NFL players with second/third choices being T. jones or Uguak on D and neidrowski / Krajewski on offense.

I probably forgot someone, that’s my thinking on the fly.

The secondary is really gonna have some talent for sure. This group will probably end up being very talented and who knows we may end up being known as DBU if we take flight. I watched Morrison tape and I hope we use him on the Outside and move Jordan Swann to the inside as a nickel DB. Travis Jones will make an impact from the get go. I wanna say he will piss a lot of our oline off during one-on-ones but hey it will be great competition for them to also get better. I like to see a matchup between him and Nyadu. Players like Webb sometimes are questionable to me, he really dominated but like you said against inferior competition. Hopefully we are wrong about him, but it will be interesting to see how he turns out. Nyadu is going to end up being a great guard/tackle for us. I love when he is running downhill to make a block, he has a high motor. Neiwdowski is a sleeper in this class and has potential to be good.

We have 16 players that are 3 stars from this year and last year's recruiting class. So will see where they end up in the next upcoming year and the year after.