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NOW is Tennessee OUT of the NCAA Tournament?!

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When you look at this program, given where the team is right now, and the direction it’s headed, it’s hard to put a positive spin on anything they’ve done up to this point. Going forward, it’s hard to look ahead to next season with hope that things will be better. Same players, same coaches, same philosophy and approach, same results. Where are the potential bright spots? Who’s the savior?

Who or what do you place any hope or faith in next season that’s going to turn this program around? No doubt changes need to be made. This program appears headed down hill in the wrong direction. It this rock bottom and they rebound from here, or can it get worse?

Doing the same thing next year will probably yield the same results. Am I missing something here? Will Vol Nation tolerate another season of Holly Warlick and her staff?
 
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Perhaps the decision to fire Holly should not rest on Fulmer.

Wouldn't a quicker and smarter way be best served if former (some) LadyVols write an an open letter to Holly stating something to the effect, "We have supported you from the start of taking the head coaching duties of the LadyVols, at this point in your tenure we feel the program has deteriorated to the extent nothing positive has been achieved. For the sake of Pat Summit's legacy...yada, yada, yada. We the undersigned feel the program would be best served if you relinquish your duties as head coach."

Coming from past players I would believe Holly would finally get the hint.
 
mbr33ct said:
Perhaps the decision to fire Holly should not rest on Fulmer.

Wouldn't a quicker and smarter way be best served if former (some) LadyVols write an an open letter to Holly stating something to the effect, "We have supported you from the start of taking the head coaching duties of the LadyVols, at this point in your tenure we feel the program has deteriorated to the extent nothing positive has been achieved. For the sake of Pat Summit's legacy...yada, yada, yada. We the undersigned feel the program would be best served if you relinquish your duties as head coach."

Coming from past players I would believe Holly would finally get the hint.
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Interesting idea. But don’t forget that many former LV’s not only have a strong loyalty ro Pat, but also to HW as well, Pat’s kinder, gentler Assistant. I think many ex-players would be reluctant to call on HW to step down out of intense loyalty to both Pat & HW.
 
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mbr33ct said:
Perhaps the decision to fire Holly should not rest on Fulmer.

Wouldn't a quicker and smarter way be best served if former (some) LadyVols write an an open letter to Holly stating something to the effect, "We have supported you from the start of taking the head coaching duties of the LadyVols, at this point in your tenure we feel the program has deteriorated to the extent nothing positive has been achieved. For the sake of Pat Summit's legacy...yada, yada, yada. We the undersigned feel the program would be best served if you relinquish your duties as head coach."

Coming from past players I would believe Holly would finally get the hint.
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I disagree. If this letter is coming from a good place, it should NOT be an open letter, but rather a letter only sent to Holly, urging her to step down for the benefit of the program. She has tried her best, but is unable to get the team where they should be. There is no reason to embarrass her publicly. From all accounts, Holly is a nice person. Thus she should be encouraged to leave the role of head coach as cordially as possible.

But just because someone is nice is not a reason to allow them to remain as head coach. Holly has shown that she is incapable of bringing the team to the next level. In fact, the team has seriously regressed the past few years despite a plethora of talent. Holly doesn't have the quit in her to walk away without strong urging, and clearly the time for change is nigh.
 
@Scoop Have you've been out in the sun too long?

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Check page 2 of this very same thread.

This is not like you...take care of yourself. ;):rolleyes:
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bballnut90 said:
Does any other bubble team have losses as bad as Tennessee? In the non updated RPI, Tennessee has losses to 89, 97, 147, 196 and if Auburn loses to LSU they likely drop out of top 50 which puts UT at just 2 top 50 wins. I dont follow the bubble teams as closely as I should, but it is mindboggling that Tennessee is still strongly in the hunt when theyll likely finish 9th or 10th in SEC play in an extremely weak year, plus have zero wins over top 25 RPI teams, compounded with some historically had losses. Nothing about their resume to me says tournament team but maybe the bubble is just very weak this year. Looking forward to seeing his projections this week.
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To answer your question: yes. Indiana has a loss to Grambling, which is worse than any of Tennessee's losses, and 3 other losses to teams outside the top 100 (Northwestern and Minnesota). LSU has losses to Tulane and Kansas, which are roughly as bad as the losses to Vandy and Bama. Butler has a loss to Seton Hall and two losses to Providence.

Below are the bubble teams that appear to be competing with Tennessee for the final at-large bids.
[RPI rankings in parentheses; neutral-court games marked with (n).]

Teams Creme currently has in:
  • Indiana (51). Best wins: Iowa (8), @UCLA (31), (n)S. Dakota (35), Mich St (40), Michigan (44). Worst losses: (n)Grambling (201), Northwestern (112) x 2, Minnesota (106).
  • Auburn (50). Best wins: Mizzou (27), (n)UNC (33). Worst losses: Tennessee (65) x2.
  • LSU (61). Best wins: TAMU (16), @Fla St (22), Mizzou (27). Worst losses: Tulane (164), Kansas (147).
  • UCF (18). Best wins: @Quinnipiac (46), Villanova (47). Worst losses: @Tulane (164), @Cent Michigan (24).
  • K-State (34). Best wins: Texas (28) x2, @TCU (41), WVU (74). Worst losses: Kansas (147), @WVU (74).
Teams Creme currently has out:
  • Tennessee (65). Best wins: @Mizzou (27), @Texas (28), Auburn (50) x2, LSU (61). Worst losses: Vandy (179), @Bama (153).
  • Butler (49). Best wins: @Marquette (11), @Nova (47). Worst losses: @SHU (139), Providence (114) x2.
  • Utah (60). Best wins: Stanford (4), BYU (30), Cal (38). Worst losses: @Arizona (78).
  • TCU (41). Best wins: Iowa St (12), @K-State (34), WVU (74). Worst losses: @Okla St (128), @WVU (74).
  • W. Virginia (74). Best wins: Iowa St (12), @Texas (28), K-State (34), TCU (41). Worst losses: Oklahoma (130).
 
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UT doesn't care about women's basketball anymore. It's obvious.
 
pvdoggy said:
She should have stopped after the first 40 seconds when she said "I have no words, etc..." instead of going on and on for 1 hr. That would have been more interesting.
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I've lived in the South a long time and that's how it is, here. I have 2 employees I always have to ask to give me the Readers Digest version of whatever they're trying to tell me.
 
Fightin Choke said:
I disagree. If this letter is coming from a good place, it should NOT be an open letter, but rather a letter only sent to Holly, urging her to step down for the benefit of the program. She has tried her best, but is unable to get the team where they should be. There is no reason to embarrass her publicly. From all accounts, Holly is a nice person. Thus she should be encouraged to leave the role of head coach as cordially as possible.

But just because someone is nice is not a reason to allow them to remain as head coach. Holly has shown that she is incapable of bringing the team to the next level. In fact, the team has seriously regressed the past few years despite a plethora of talent. Holly doesn't have the quit in her to walk away without strong urging, and clearly the time for change is nigh.
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Holly is a genuinely kind person; I sit a few rows behind the opposing head coach and she is one of the more pleasant coaches in her interactions. Unfortunately, nice doesn't get you ahead in the business world and nice doesn't win ball games.
 
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cockhrnleghrn said:
Holly is a genuinely kind person; I sit a few rows behind the opposing head coach and she is one of the more pleasant coaches in her interactions. Unfortunately, nice doesn't get you ahead in the business world and nice doesn't win ball games.
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I don’t know HW and have never been around her. While many justifiably question her coaching ability, almost everyone remarks that she is a nice person. I can only speak to the person I see on tv, primarily in her post game pressers.

Author Robert McKee wrote, “True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure.” After a loss, when Holly is under pressure, she usually accepts no responsibility and frequently blames her players for not playing hard enough. While Holly is always polite, to a fault, I’m not sure if I would necessarily agree with the consensus that she is a nice person
 
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Plebe said:
To answer your question: yes. Indiana has a loss to Grambling, which is worse than any of Tennessee's losses, and 3 other losses to teams outside the top 100 (Northwestern and Minnesota). LSU has losses to Tulane and Kansas, which are roughly as bad as the losses to Vandy and Bama. Butler has a loss to Seton Hall and two losses to Providence.

Below are the bubble teams that appear to be competing with Tennessee for the final at-large bids.
[RPI rankings in parentheses; neutral-court games marked with (n).]

Teams Creme currently has in:
  • Indiana (51). Best wins: Iowa (8), @UCLA (31), (n)S. Dakota (35), Mich St (40), Michigan (44). Worst losses: (n)Grambling (201), Northwestern (112) x 2, Minnesota (106).
  • Auburn (50). Best wins: Mizzou (27), (n)UNC (33). Worst losses: Tennessee (65) x2.
  • LSU (61). Best wins: TAMU (16), @Fla St (22), Mizzou (27). Worst losses: Tulane (164), Kansas (147).
  • UCF (18). Best wins: @Quinnipiac (46), Villanova (47). Worst losses: @Tulane (164), @Cent Michigan (24).
  • K-State (34). Best wins: Texas (28) x2, @TCU (41), WVU (74). Worst losses: Kansas (147), @WVU (74).
Teams Creme currently has out:
  • Tennessee (65). Best wins: @Mizzou (27), @Texas (28), Auburn (50) x2, LSU (61). Worst losses: Vandy (179), @Bama (153).
  • Butler (49). Best wins: @Marquette (11), @Nova (47). Worst losses: @SHU (139), Providence (114) x2.
  • Utah (60). Best wins: Stanford (4), BYU (30), Cal (38). Worst losses: @Arizona (78).
  • TCU (41). Best wins: Iowa St (12), @K-State (34), WVU (74). Worst losses: @Okla St (128), @WVU (74).
  • W. Virginia (74). Best wins: Iowa St (12), @Texas (28), K-State (34), TCU (41). Worst losses: Oklahoma (130).
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One of UCF's worst losses is to #24 CMU and this is an issue? And how is WVU both a best win and worst loss for K-state?!
 
Blueberries said:
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One of UCF's worst losses is to #24 CMU and this is an issue? And how is WVU both a best win and worst loss for K-state?!
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I didn't mean to imply that the loss to CMU was a black mark. To the contrary, I wanted to show that the thing that UCF *most* has going for it is that they only have one bad loss, to Tulane. The wins over Villanova and Quinnipiac are, to say the least, underwhelming for a would-be at-large team.

Similarly with K-State, I'm showing that K-State's only truly bad loss is to Kansas. There's a difference between calling it a team's second-worst loss and calling it a bad loss.
 
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I was curious about what teams would be selected today for the NCAA tournament if the determination were made strictly by Massey ratings and conservative assumptions about winners of conference tournaments. Those conservative assumptions include: A ranked team will win each of the P5 conferences, the American, and the Big East. Rice will win ConUSA; Central Michigan will win the MAC, Drake will win the Missouri Valley Conference; South Dakota or South Dakota State will win the Summit; Gonzaga will win the West Coast.

I have the following conference winners and at-large teams selected, based on these assumptions:

SEC: Mississippi State, South Carolina, Kentucky, Texas A&M, Missouri, Auburn

ACC: Notre Dame, Louisville, Miami, NC State, Syracuse, Florida State, North Carolina

Big 10: Maryland, Iowa, Rutgers, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota

Pac 12: Oregon, Stanford, Oregon State, Arizona State, UCLA, Utah, Cal, So. California

Big 12: Baylor, Iowa State, Texas, West Virginia, Kansas State, TCU

Big East: Marquette, DePaul, Butler

American: UCONN, UCF

The next 10 teams in order are:
Virginia Tech, Arizona, Clemson, Ohio State, Ohio, Tennessee, LSU, Georgia Tech, Villanova, and Georgia

If the above assumptions about conference tournament winners do not hold, the teams that would be the first to lose spots would be: Auburn, Minnesota, Michigan State, and UCF.

With their losses today, Butler and Utah may drop enough that they could be replaced with Virginia Tech and Clemson in this scheme.
 
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willtalk said:
Creme at present has the SEC with 8 bids. What joke. I might suspect that it might be a ploy to give Tenn a better chance of getting on of the 8. Interesting that as the season progressed the SEC picked up two more bids. They seemed to get better playing themselves. Perhaps Creme figured that if so many teams were beating Tenn that rather Tenn being so bad the rest of the league must be good. In the past it was usually the leagues record against non league opponents that was used to rate the league. Not their record against themselves.
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Not true.

In the first 4 versions he had 8 SEC teams mostly (1 had 7)
In the next 4 versions he had 7 SEC teams mostly (1 had 6)
In the last 2 versions he again had 8 SEC teams

So only 1 out of his 10 versions has had only 6 SEC teams.

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Here is a link to the "2018-19 Creme Bracketology" data.

Now weather they actually deserve 8 teams is a different conversation.
 
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According to Creme, the softness of the bubble means TN is not officially dead

Tennessee falls out of espnW's bracketology projection

"It's so soft, in fact, that Tennessee might not be done yet, despite the three-game skid, the 6-9 SEC record and a second loss to a team below 100 in the RPI. The Lady Vols have four top-50 RPI wins, which is more than Auburn (currently in), LSU (in), UCF (in), Kansas State (in), Butler (out), Utah (out), TCU (out) and West Virginia (out)."


And some of the mid-major races will continue to impact the bubble. Drake and Central Michigan already have put together NCAA tournament-worthy seasons. But through Thursday's games, Missouri State, not Drake, is the No. 1 seed in the Missouri Valley Conference, and Miami (Ohio), not Central Michigan, is the top seed in the MAC. Both of those conferences could end up as one-bid leagues should the Bulldogs and Chippewas win those conference tournaments -- which would potentially open up two at-large bids. If that were the case today, the Lady Vols would still be in the field.

While it looks grim and Tennessee hardly looks the part of an NCAA tournament team, the Lady Vols could still make the field and run that streak of NCAA tournament appearances to 38 with a little help and/or a couple of wins in the SEC tournament.
 
I am not greedy. In this decade, whenever TN made the NCAA, I requested that Holly's contract should be extended by a year. That request still stands. However, if the Ladyvols make the WNIT, I will request to extend her contract by 6 months.
 
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