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Duke is going to be very good this year. I don't think Scheyer is a great coach by any stretch, but that team will be a handful going forward. They win that game last night if Maluach doesnt cramp up. That kid is incredibly impressive defensively. I'm not so fussed about their assist ratio, it is a different style of play and that's fine. Cooper great. His stat line is just ridiculous. As they get some experience under their belt they will continue to improve.
Duke's one glaring issue is PG they are weak there, but since they are obviously going to run everything through Flagg this year its not that big a deal. They are totally beatable, but so is everyone. This already has been, and is going to be, an absolutely EPIC college basketball season. There are at least 10 great teams that can win the natty. Maybe even more. I don't see anyone head and shoulders above anyone else in that group. It's going to be wild.

Kentucky really impressed me too. They may end up better than I thought they'd be. A nice mix of transfers. I thought they were lower end of top 25 caliber, but they could probably be in the 5-15 range this year.

I cant remember a first week of a season as wild as this one has been. Maui is going to be a scene.
 
ctchamps said:
Abraham handled him really well in the championship game against Monteverde.
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OK so Abraham will be part of the rotation if we play Duke? He’s buried on the bench. But I agree that we would need someone tall enough long enough and physical enough to do that.
 
jibsey said:
OK so Abraham will be part of the rotation if we play Duke? He’s buried on the bench. But I agree that we would need someone tall enough long enough and physical enough to do that.
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We have 5 guys who could guard him. We have the best wing rotation in the country.
 
superjohn said:
We have 5 guys who could guard him. We have the best wing rotation in the country.
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Alex and Liam in the starting lineup. After that it would have to be Ross or Stew. Who is the 5th? Solo, no. Meheny, no. Hassan, no. Johnson, no.
Abraham if he is a limited time bench player all year is not going to be brought into a Final 8 or higher game to guard Flagg.
 
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ec33 said:
I seem to recall that Nantz was one of the first national guys to embrace UConn and atmosphere.
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Love that Nantz?
 
jibsey said:
Alex and Liam in the starting lineup. After that it would have to be Ross or Stew. Who is the 5th? Solo, no. Meheny, no. Hassan, no. Johnson, no.
Abraham if he is a limited time bench player all year is not going to be brought into a Final 8 or higher game to guard Flagg.
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Karaban, McNeeley, Ross, Stewart, Abraham.

We're better equipped than anyone to slow him down.
 
superjohn said:
Karaban, McNeeley, Ross, Stewart, Abraham.

We're better equipped than anyone to slow him down.
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Just make life difficult. Kid looks like a generational prospect. But, that doesn’t mean duke is good. It takes time to win at this level.
 
Duke under scheyer is just never going to be a scary prospect, and watching them last night only confirmed that for me. Flagg, KK and Maluach are all incredibly talented and genuinely fun to watch, but as a team they seem soft, undisciplined and clearly lack any kind of veteran leadership despite the returners and transfer portal adds. All those things ladder up to the coach.

Scheyer has no idea how to put his teams in a position to win when they meet with any kind of resistance. His play calling (if you can even call it that) at the end was comically bad. The OOB play out of the last TO where they iso-d Flagg and he literally just had the rest of the team run in a circle was the type of thing you’d see in a made for TV Disney special. It was embarrassingly awful.

Individually, the freshman will absolutely get better as they get more college games under their belt. But I don’t think scheyer has any level of capability to help them develop to the point where duke as a TEAM will significantly improve. They will always be a sum of their parts.

They will win plenty based on talent alone, but without better coaching, UK just laid out the blueprint to beat them - and they did it with a VERY inferior level of talent than many of the teams Duke still has to play (Kansas, Auburn, UNC).

And with all that said, my greatest hope is that the AD is somehow convinced to keep scheyer around for another decade. Sinking the Duke brand would take a Herculean effort, but I truly believe that Scheyer is up to that task.
 
superjohn said:
Karaban, McNeeley, Ross, Stewart, Abraham.

We're better equipped than anyone to slow him down.
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It’s difficult but I would love to see Abraham get some floor time just in case we need him for that type of situation. Who is more athletic, quick and strong Stew or Abraham?
 
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HooperScooper said:
Flagg didn't come out at all in the 2nd half and probably wouldn't have in the 1st half without the foul trouble.

And the last 2 possessions? Yeah just give it to your star freshman who had 2 college games under his belt before last night and tell him to go make a play on his own.

Scheyer is a dope. Can't wait to see him fail as a head coach.
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Lol was waiting for the announcers to make that comment but surprisingly it didn’t happen lol
 
superjohn said:
This is silly, coach K won 5 national championships.
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Considering all the talent he had, I thought he should have won more. Imagine if JC had that type of talent who won 3 with much less heralded players? K probably had at least 5 or more 5* and Burger-AAs on his roster every year. He did turn Dook into a top program and won B2B NCs and I think has the most NCAA wins.

Dook is 5 for 11 when making it to the championship game. Not sure if all 11 were under K. UConn is 6 for 6. Just my opinion that all the 5*s, top seeds and preferential home games in NC (you can add UNC for getting the same IMO unfair home court advantage for decades) that he should have won more. It's not easy to win a championship, but not getting it done and getting bounced by lower seeds in most of their tournament losses seems to add some doubts.
 
JerseyAlum said:
But the +/- on a player is only counted for when they are in. Sub in and you could be -2 if they just hit 2 free throws you had nothing to do with. I take +/- numbers with considerable salt.
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Yeah, basing a player's game performance strictly on +/- numbers would be foolish. I mean some player could come in after a loose ball foul, comes in and 2 seconds after the ball is inbounded an opposing player across the court nails a 3. Then they steal the inbounds pass and drill another 3. Then the coach gets T'd up and the opposing team gets 2 FT's. Just subbed in player is -8 before he can even blink his eyes.
 
ec33 said:
Abraham handled him "well" for a guy that was greatly overmatched (showing a big heart and willingness to defend) and picked up a couple of early fouls.
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Didn’t those fouls happen when he had to guard the Monteverde center?
 
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jibsey said:
OK so Abraham will be part of the rotation if we play Duke? He’s buried on the bench. But I agree that we would need someone tall enough long enough and physical enough to do that.
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I’ve been bullish on Ross and Abraham since watching full games of both players. They have very similar playing styles on both the offensive and defensive sides of the ball. They both play extremely hard and with determination.

So if Abraham was able to reduce Flagg’s offensive output it stands to reason that Ross could as well.
 
ConnZag3 said:
Watching Kentucky play now for someone who can actually coach is kinda scary. Like Kentucky might actually be a tough out now. Pope is actually a really good coach and will still be able to pull top players, but guys who actually want to play in college too, which is likely better for them in the long run than the Cal scheme.
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Pope has been a darn good offensive coach for a few years now. His issues were always on the defensive end and being a tad too 3 reliant because of talent. Not sure about his defensive coaching but talent alone should improve what he is coaching as he gets better athletes. It will be interesting to see how he does with more freshmen on the roster next year. He has a very old team this year. Their top 9 has six fifth years and one senior.

Brea - 5th year
Oweh - 3rd year
Carr - 5th year
Williams - 5th year
Butler - 5th year
Robinson - 5th year
Almonor - 4th year
Garrison - 2nd year
Krissa - 5th year

That is a lot to replace next year and they will be a load younger if only because COVID grad transfers will basically be done. They do have three top 35 kids committed though.

NewBlood said:
Flagg could be on the back to back National Champ Huskies right now with a real shot at making true history for the 3peat. He could have stayed local, followed in the footsteps of Donovan and essentially be the number 1 on the number 1 team. Just think about the storylines and love he could have got stepping into a championship program.

He chose the hype of ESPN and Jim Nantz by choosing Duke, a lesser school in the world of basketball excellence. They barely run an offense and already show they are going to rely on him taking over games night in and out to survive. It's a joke, the kid made a foolish decision.

I hope we play them, Danny will run circles around Scheyer, and Flagg will end up with one nice elite eight run in college before heading to the NBA
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A lot of interesting comments I've seen about Flagg are about how he has a ton of stuff offensively but doesn't have "spots" and moves to get to those spots. That is one of the things Hurley's offense is very good at; knowing a players spots on the floor and getting them shots from there.
 
Im enjoying watching the Cuse meltdown so early in the season. They are horrendous again this year and likely wont see any postseason. Karma serves them right for trashing Uconn during our bad years in the AAC.
 
CL82 said:
6>5
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How quickly some forget that just 2 years ago, we had 4 to their 5 (god I hate that you are making me defend Duke’s status as an excellent basketball program historically. I feel dirty now…lol)
 
Chin Diesel said:
I saw the second half. Biggest thing I noticed was he plays at one speed. Good rebounding.
Once he learns how to change speeds and hesitations, he'll he fine. He could get to any point on the floor he wanted to get to with the ball.
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Except sometimes he got there and the ball had already been stripped out of his hands.
 
Hurleyman216 said:
Except sometimes he got there and the ball had already been stripped out of his hands.
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he needs to play under control...he was a black hole last night....2 AST, 19 FGA.
From a duke fan perspective, it must be a bit concerning that the offensive play has collapsed so quickly to be dependentant on just two people....especially two who did not play particularly efficiently. Kneuppel shot like trash, sure, but was still only 4-12 inside the arc, which isn't great.

I think they'll be better in a few months....but they appeared exactly what you'd expect...a bunch of talented players with nigh little organization....certainly not greater than the sum of their parts.
 
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DogMania said:
Flagg is very talented, that's for sure. Hard to believe he's just 17. Winning in March probably won't happen for him, but he'll have the ball in his hands more than any other freshman on his way to the NBA next year.

He has a high BBIQ to go along with his skills. The problem is everyone on UK knew what Dook was going to do at the end of that game. They swarmed him, knowing that he was unlikely giving up the ball, getting the steal. Then shepherded Flagg like a sheep, who was probably fatigued by then, to the corner where nothing good usually happens. He looked very much like a freshman on that last ill fated play, not to mention not blocking out on the missed FT getting shoved under the basket.

Scheyer continues to show how bad a coach he is doing so little with so much. He should have drawn up a play, like the C's use (not that I'm a big fan of that style on winning time offense), where they use Flagg with the ball in his hands to draw a double or triple team to dish to an open teammate for a high percentage shot, or put it in the hands of a teamate and run Flagg around some screens to get him the ball on the move in the paint towards the basket where all he needs is one or two dribbles.

A good coach could make that a very dangerous team by developing all the players and teaching them to execute some multi-action motion offense. Hum...who does that sound like? The way this is going, just a few of his players will dominate their offense while the others become more disillusioned seeing that they're not going contribute like they had hoped and not ready to do so when the few opportunities present themselves.

I love how in Hurley’s offense, if you're out there you'll get the ball and have opportunities to score or set up a teammate, instead of standing around watching just a few teammates create their own shot or just play some two man ball. I'm so f--n grateful to be a Husky fan.
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Great post Pal, could not agree more on Scheyer. Flagg is a kid, made his decision and don’t resent him for that. And Yes….to be a Huskynis a great thing!
 
jibsey said:
Who guards him?
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J Stew will put him in a locker. He will still score 25, but it won't be very efficient. No one at this level can stop him. But you can make him freeze out his teammates.
 
imno1 said:
This Duke team will play a lot better as the season progresses.
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Agreed. And then Scheyer will lead them nowhere. He will get outcoached when it matters most. Id take Hubert Davis in a heartbeat over him.
 
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