November General CBB Discussion Thread (Non-BE)

[RuffRuff]

Really? Most of the pundits lately have been saying it's Arizona.

You realize this can change as teams play? What Michigan just did is the most impressive basketball of the year, and it’s not close.

I disagree. Size doesn’t mean better. Idc how big he is, Taris is better. Alex is better than Morez Johnson. And Gonzaga doesn’t have a Taris either. AZ had the same size advantage against us without Reed. And we should have won

Itd be a good game. I think we win at full health.

Definitely a little homerism in this. Tarris would have a hard time finding easy baskets around a nimble 7’3” guy who blocks shots.

Morez is a much better inside player than AK, who is not a great inside player. We’d have to space them out and run out stuff. Pound for pound they are more talented.

 

[Marat]

Its Michigan and everyone else right now. Lots of ball to be played until March. Have they peaked too soon ? Can they keep it up?

 

[RuffRuff]

Its Michigan and everyone else right now. Lots of ball to be played until March. Have they peaked too soon ? Can they keep it up?

I don’t see it as much about peaking as it is about the talent on their roster. They are huge and a matchup nightmare. Dusty pulled together a very good team.

 

[CTBasketball]

It’s Michigan and everyone else right now. Lots of ball to be played until March. Have they peaked too soon ? Can they keep it up?

Every Big Ten school peaks before Christmas.

 

[uconngb]

Every Big Ten school peaks before Christmas.

Is that because they can't wait to open their presents??

 

[bendm]

Pound for pound they are more talented.

Disagree. Reed would do to Mara what Blair did to Thabeet. Yaxel is talented sure but there’s no one else I’d want to swap any of our starters for. don’t think a team with Elliot Cadeau as starting PG is cutting the nets down.

 

[RuffRuff]

Disagree. Reed would do to Mara what Blair did to Thabeet. Yaxel is talented sure but there’s no one else I’d want to swap any of our starters for. don’t think a team with Elliot Cadeau as starting PG is cutting the nets down.

Let’s disagree then. They have more talent. Let’s not act as though Cadeua, who was a McD AA that couldn’t develop under Hubie, isn’t a solid Pg. With the talent around him he just needs to distribute. They have another McD AA frosh coming off the bench. Kid was composite 3 spots behind Mullins.

They are more talented. Hurley may be able to do some things from a coaching perspective that could give us an edge. You must take the blinders off.

 

[bendm]

They are more talented

Ok Let’s go through the matchups you’re so big on:
Reed>Mara (indisputable)
AK=Morez
Stew<Yaxel (indisputable)
Ball>Burnett (assuming Ball gets his 3 back)
Silas>Cadeau (indisputable)

Smith>Cason
Mullins=McKenney
Ross<Gayle
Reibe>Tschetter

Edit: Hurley>May
Edit: UConn +4

 

[Icehawk]

Sunday: Hey, Syracuse might be better than we thought!

Tuesday: Their season is over.

It’s Syracuse, these are both true statements.

 

[willie99]

There are a lot of good teams out there. Michigan stands out right now, but they are from the Big10 so there's that

25 years and counting. And they merged with the Pac 12, the only major conference that's waited over 25 years

 

[willie99]

Ok Let’s go through the matchups you’re so big on:
Reed>Mara (indisputable)
AK=Morez
Stew<Yaxel (indisputable)
Ball>Burnett (assuming Ball gets his 3 back)
Silas>Cadeau (indisputable)

Smith>Cason
Mullins = McKenney
Ross<Gayle
Reibe>Tschetter

UConn +3

Dude, you left off the most important matchup

Hurley >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Underwood

C'mon man

☺️

 

[KingAG]

Let’s disagree then. They have more talent. Let’s not act as though Cadeua, who was a McD AA that couldn’t develop under Hubie, isn’t a solid Pg. With the talent around him he just needs to distribute. They have another McD AA frosh coming off the bench. Kid was composite 3 spots behind Mullins.

They are more talented. Hurley may be able to do some things from a coaching perspective that could give us an edge. You must take the blinders off.

We vehemently disagree

 

[Jay-Bone]

Went toe to toe with the # 3 team down 2 starters one being our best player. I’ve seen enough. But then again I’m a homer

Ummmmm......Michigan just beat Gonzaga 40 who beat Alabama by 10 who beat Illinois by 4. That was a pretty epic beatdown. But I like the rosy glasses.

 

[bendm]

Dude, you left off the most important matchup

Hurley >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Underwood

C'mon man

☺️

You mean Dusty May but yes coaching matchup advantage too

 

[Jay-Bone]

Kansas beating Tennessee without Tennessee tells me that what I posted earlier was accurate, the rest of the team without Peterson is better than some people think. Tiller in particular is very good.

This Michigan beat down of Gonzaga is shocking. This is really impressive. I didn’t realize that Michigan was this good. Stunning level of dominance over a ranked team that looked really good all week. Up 43!

Elmarko finally having a good game is a big sign for them.

 

[RuffRuff]

Reed>Mara (indisputable) Is it? Mara is 7'3"!! He's different. He's a true rim protector. It's a unique matchup. Reed may be able to bully him, but he may also not. Mara will also have much more impact on the defensive side of the floor. He is long, and he is mobile. He's also averaging about 3 blocks a game in 22 minutes.

AK=Morez. I don't see AK as much of a matchup advantage against anyone personally. Morez is bigger, stronger and could bully AK all day. He's 6'9" and weighs 250 and is more athletic. The only area AK is better is 3pt shooting, so he may be able to stretch him out.

Stew<Yaxel (indisputable) The advantage here is the so big that it's a multiple over any advantages we have anywhere else.

Ball>Burnett (assuming Ball gets his 3 back) Bologna. I don't know why this place over-values Ball. Burnett is 6'5" and can shoot, 44% this year, over 40% last year. I take Burnett all day.

Silas>Cadeau (indisputable) Yes - I'd say we have an advantage here, but Michigan is so big it would neutralize a lot of penetration.

Look at the matchups as a whole, man. The type of team that could give them fits is a fast, heavy speed guard roster that pushes them in transition, spreads them out and pulls their bigs away. Turns the ball over. We are not that.

Smith>Cason
Mullins = McKenney
Ross<Gayle
Reibe>Tschetter

Michigan would easily be favored right now on a neutral floor. This is NOT an objective take, at all.

 

[RuffRuff]

We vehemently disagree

You're a self proclaimed homer, and it shows here. I'm also a rabid Uconn fan, but not a homer. I prefer objectivity.

Yes, Hurley has the coaching advantage and could likely spin something that could throw them off, slow it down, make them work, space it out. But it's not as if May is chopped liver.

 

[RuffRuff]

Elmarko finally having a good game is a big sign for them.

Really hoping DP is out next week as Kansas pulling out 3 wins with not DP was impressive. We need these wins, will take them any way we can as we continue to heal/get healthy.

 

[bendm]

spreads them out and pulls their bigs away. We are not that.

Once we get Mullins back that’s exactly what we’ll do. Silas, Ball, Mullins and AK all spread the floor and shoot it.

 

[SwingDog]

You realize this can change as teams play? What Michigan just did is the most impressive basketball of the year, and it’s not close.

Until next week. lol

 

[bendm]

College basketball rankings: Kansas surges after Players Era Festival run

The Jayhawks went 3-0 in Las Vegas and Bill Self's squad will enter December with some much-needed momentum

www.cbssports.com

1. Zona
2. Purdue
3. Michigan
4. UConn

 

[KingAG]

You're a self proclaimed homer, and it shows here. I'm also a rabid Uconn fan, but not a homer. I prefer objectivity.

Yes, Hurley has the coaching advantage and could likely spin something that could throw them off, slow it down, make them work, space it out. But it's not as if May is chopped liver.

I’m not being a homer here. Acting as if Michigan has a clear talent advantage is just inaccurate imo.

Just go down the roster:

Silas>Cadeau
Ball>Burnett
Mullins<Yaxel (maybe) definitely for now
Karaban>Johnson
Taris>Mara

And this is not a ridiculous take. Where is the clear talent advantage? You’re mesmerized by their size. Which is a factor. But not the end all be all.

 

[HW611]

Michigan looks bigger, faster, and stronger than everyone in ways we did in 2023 and 2024. That was a crazy game.

Having a 7’3 rim protector is such a cheat code.

 

[KingAG]

Reed>Mara (indisputable) Is it? Mara is 7'3"!! He's different. He's a true rim protector. It's a unique matchup. Reed may be able to bully him, but he may also not. Mara will also have much more impact on the defensive side of the floor. He is long, and he is mobile. He's also averaging about 3 blocks a game in 22 minutes.

AK=Morez. I don't see AK as much of a matchup advantage against anyone personally. Morez is bigger, stronger and could bully AK all day. He's 6'9" and weighs 250 and is more athletic. The only area AK is better is 3pt shooting, so he may be able to stretch him out.

Stew<Yaxel (indisputable) The advantage here is the so big that it's a multiple over any advantages we have anywhere else.

Ball>Burnett (assuming Ball gets his 3 back) Bologna. I don't know why this place over-values Ball. Burnett is 6'5" and can shoot, 44% this year, over 40% last year. I take Burnett all day.

Silas>Cadeau (indisputable) Yes - I'd say we have an advantage here, but Michigan is so big it would neutralize a lot of penetration.

Look at the matchups as a whole, man. The type of team that could give them fits is a fast, heavy speed guard roster that pushes them in transition, spreads them out and pulls their bigs away. Turns the ball over. We are not that.

Smith>Cason
Mullins = McKenney
Ross<Gayle
Reibe>Tschetter

Michigan would easily be favored right now on a neutral floor. This is NOT an objective take, at all.

Why’d you move Mullins to the bench? And what are you arguing. That they’re just so much more talented? Or that it’s a bad matchup? We’ve seen them against similar size in AZ. Without Reed and Mullins. And almost everyone here thought we were in position to pull that one out.

Add a healthy Reed and Mullins to the mix and your argument falls apart. They’re just the flavor of the week.

Sure they’d be favored RIGHT NOW.

 

[bendm]

Why’d you move Mullins to the bench? And what are you arguing. That they’re just so much more talented? Or that it’s a bad matchup? We’ve seen them against similar size in AZ. Without Reed and Mullins. And almost everyone here thought we were in position to pull that one out.

Add a healthy Reed and Mullins to the mix and your argument falls apart. They’re just the flavor of the week.

Sure they’d be favored RIGHT NOW.

I already went thru that entire exercise like 15 posts up... He had Mullins on the bench because I was using our lineup right now. I had the matchups as Stew/Yaxel and then the 5* frosh because he had pointed out they have one of their own