Notre Dame's Future

[sivad40]

This is difficult to compare because while Ivey is technically a new coach, she spent many years at Notre Dame, went away for only one year, and many of those years she was working with Beth Cunningham. Not the typical new coach situation, no ties to a school and just cleans house. She did retain Mabrey so its not like she did clean house anyways.

Ivey had a direct hand in the construction of the senior, junior, and sophomore play that were a part of Notre Dame team. She was at Notre Dame when Boley, Dixon, Patberg and those other players transferred from there in the past 3 or 4 years.

 

[my2cents]

The other element of the story , other than the mishandling of Cunningham leaving, was that Ivey introduced Social Justice testing to the team and didn't like some of the answers and derided a white player for her answers. Pretty amazing stuff.

 

[ConnecticutBB]

Ivey had a direct hand in the construction of the senior, junior, and sophomore play that were a part of Notre Dame team. She was at Notre Dame when Boley, Dixon, Patberg and those other players transferred from there in the past 3 or 4 years.

Does anyone know it the tranfers of Boley, Dixon & Patberg all had to do with playing time or are there other reason?

 

[Orangutan]

This doesn't sound good... (Sherry is Hayes' mother)

 

[Orangutan]

Both Campbell and her dad liked this tweet:

 

[my2cents]

The current situation at ND for women's basketball does not look good. Numerous transfers, new coach, two years of losing...as Michael Ray Richardson said. "The ship be sinking"

 

[Geew1992]

Both Campbell and her dad liked this tweet:

Pretty much what some of the posters have said on the Bench

 

[Vowelguy]

The current situation at ND for women's basketball does not look good. Numerous transfers, new coach, two years of losing...as Michael Ray Richardson said. "The ship be sinking"

people are making too much of this imho. Don’t get me wrong it’s not great, but there are always going to be transition issues at any school.

 

[cancontent]

This doesn't sound good... (Sherry is Hayes' mother)

No it doesn't but I recall some things I've read on VolNation which has me thinking that we may want to reserve judgement. Impression I got is that the family could be more than one can handle.

For all that can be said about the posters on that site, they know their Tennessee HS basketball. We'll see what comes out in the wash as they say.

 

[Orangutan]

people are making too much of this imho. Don’t get me wrong it’s not great, but there are always going to be transition issues at any school.

Hope you are right. I am getting worried that Ivey is not cut out to be a head coach.

ND can surely survive these transfer losses (though I still think Hayes and Campbell will end up being very good college players). And Westbeld, Miles, and Citron should be a good foundation going forward.

Hopefully there are no more transfers this offseason. The way Campbell was totally shunned rubs me the wrong way even as someone who is inclined to give Ivey the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Plebe]

This doesn't sound good... (Sherry is Hayes' mother)

"In due time it will be revealed" ?!?!

 

[Vowelguy]

Hope you are right. I am getting worried that Ivey is not cut out to be a head coach.

Possible.
Not enough information to make a determination.

 

[VidNick]

Notre Dame is an incredible academic institution. Players do not walk away without having a pretty good reason. Multiple players leaving is an indication of a problem that most times stems from the head Coach and how they do things, the environment they create.

 

[Vowelguy]

Notre Dame is an incredible academic institution. Players do not walk away without having a pretty good reason. Multiple players leaving is an indication of a problem that most times stems from the head Coach and how they do things, the environment they create.

I assume you had the same opinion when AEH, Coombs, and Gordon transferred from the 2017 class.
Or Ekmark & Boykin .

 

[VidNick]

I assume you had the same opinion when AEH, Coombs, and Gordon transferred from the 2017 class.
Or Ekmark & Boykin .

Not exactly. 1st of all, Uconn is a fine school (my wife & I attended) academically , but it is not Notre Dame. AEH & Geno clearly had problems. The others were not getting playing time and would never be getting playing time. Unlike many who sit on the bench and cheerlead for four years, these players chose to see if they could do better somewhere else. Now, if Crystal or KLS had walked off, you can assume I would have had the same opinion.

 

[Vowelguy]

The others were not getting playing time and would never be getting playing time. Unlike many who sit on the bench and cheerlead for four years, these players chose to see if they could do better somewhere else.

The ND players were not getting playing time either. Why is it a problem when they transfer but not when UConn players did?

 

[baggerbob]

The ND players were not getting playing time either. Why is it a problem when they transfer but not when UConn players did?

Notre Dame has had problems off and on for a few years. Jewell Loyd left with a year left to play.

 

[Vowelguy]

Notre Dame has had problems off and on for a few years. Jewell Loyd left with a year left to play.

So did Megan Walker.

 

[VidNick]

So did Megan Walker.

Loyd & Walker left for the WNBA, not to sit out a year and go to another school. Good decision for Loyd, jury out on Megan.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

people are making too much of this imho. Don’t get me wrong it’s not great, but there are always going to be transition issues at any school.

Dawn Staley had turnover at the beginning and then lost two of her higher profile recruits early on in her tenure.

People get too excited about specifics. I think for Notre Dame and Miss State you probably ought to give the new coach time to build her own program around players who chose her visions and committed to her style.

Maybe neither one of them goes on to succeed, but there is every chance they will.