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primus74 said:
We should just get all 11 HE teams play both conference games in South Bend. Unbelievable. Kick them out. Alternatives would be Holy Cross, QU, RPI, Cornell if they'd leave ECAC with the Ivies, or maybe URI if they'd commit to upgrading to a D1 team with 18 full scholarships and have all 6 New England state flagship universities.
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My order: Cornell, URI (it would be cool to have every State U in NE), QU then RPI. Looking at the landscape, URI better be getting their house in order if they want to be considered when ND leaves.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
I suspect ND would leave not for competition reasons, they'll always be able to field a competitive team, but probably not a powerhouse consistently. Instead, they wouldn't like the travel, and really they are an outsider in HE. My guess is they'd go to NCHC, I don't see mutual interest between them and the B1G.

As for HE #12, MacMahon seemed to think Holy Cross. Puke. My preference is very much for QU - better facilities, better program, better location, a nice in-state rival for UConn, overall better fit IMO.
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I agree on the ND replacement. The only thing against QU may be Pecknold's rep among his peers...and that should totally be a non-issue! Replacing ND with QU would be a big upgrade imho.
 
0% Cornell leaves. Don't think hockey is in URI's pipeline. RPI is on the downswing and they have facility issues. They wouldn't be a horrendous addition but would be far from ideal. QU is the best available option by far.
 
This was a student author's opinion piece with two things in it said by Jackson.

I doubt Swarbrick is going to move ND hockey anywhere, especially with NBC Sports paying to televise every ND home hockey game.
 
FDNY99 said:
IMHO ND will realize shortly if they haven't already that it's going to be tough for them to even compete with schools like UCONN never mind BC, BU, UMASS-Lowell, Merrimack, and the rest of the conference. They will like McMahon said end up leaving HE...question then becomes who replaces them...Holy Cross maybe..or QU. Or the stars could all align we could hit jackpot lotto and be on our way to the B1G and HE would be able to just stay at 14. More likely someone else replaces ND to be 16.
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ND already has a contract with the ACC and would join the ACC if they have to join a conference in full. In that case, UCONN could become a candidate for #16. How that would affect Hockey East your guess is as good as mine.
 
CoastAtlantic said:
ND already has a contract with the ACC and would join the ACC if they have to join a conference in full. In that case, UCONN could become a candidate for #16. How that would affect Hockey East your guess is as good as mine.
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I was solely talking about HE and got my conference membership numbers confused...my only reference to the B1G was in reference to UCONN joining.
 
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TerryD said:
This was a student author's opinion piece with two things in it said by Jackson.

I doubt Swarbrick is going to move ND hockey anywhere, especially with NBC Sports paying to televise every ND home hockey game.
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Agree. ND is not taking its Hockey program out of HE, as there is no other league that will make up the revenue ND currently receives for its participation of its Hockey program in the BE league. The ND fan above has already correctly listed several reaasons why ND won't be going to the BIG.... in anything, frankly. So the rumors cited above on here of their contemplating leaving the HE in Hockey anytime soon are simply untrue and frankly ridiculous in too many ways to count.
 
Yawkey Way said:
Agree. ND is not taking its Hockey program out of HE, as there is no other league that will make up the revenue ND currently receives for its participation of its Hockey program in the BE league. The ND fan above has already correctly listed several reaasons why ND won't be going to the BIG.... in anything, frankly. So the rumors cited above on here of their contemplating leaving the HE in Hockey anytime soon are simply untrue and frankly ridiculous in too many ways to count.
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Funny thing Yawkey...those rumors were started by a reporter from their own student newspaper...nowhere else
 
FDNY99 said:
Funny thing Yawkey...those rumors were started by a reporter from their own student newspaper...nowhere else
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Yes, consider the source is always a good thing.

The writer here as well uses as one of its reasons that it considers ND not a good fit for HE... " geography " ( its words ). This writer must be stuck in a time capsule, as one look around the league formations today, and few of the leagues in college sports make sense anymore on the basis of travel and " geography ".
 
Yawkey Way said:
Agree. ND is not taking its Hockey program out of HE, as there is no other league that will make up the revenue ND currently receives for its participation of its Hockey program in the BE league. The ND fan above has already correctly listed several reaasons why ND won't be going to the BIG.... in anything, frankly. So the rumors cited above on here of their contemplating leaving the HE in Hockey anytime soon are simply untrue and frankly ridiculous in too many ways to count.
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MacMahon is as good as they come as far as covering the sport. He's also EXTREMELY well connected. I place a lot of weight in his assertion. Mind you, he only said it wouldn't surprise him to see them leave, and his opinion is they'd go NCHC, not B1G. They have existing rivalries with NCHC hockey schools, NBC would be fine with televising whoever they play, they show ND sports, not ND-PC/Maine/UNH sports. North Dakota and Denver both would be acceptable TV replacements for BU and BC.
 
primus74 said:
We should just get all 11 HE teams play both conference games in South Bend. Unbelievable. Kick them out. Alternatives would be Holy Cross, QU, RPI, Cornell if they'd leave ECAC with the Ivies, or maybe URI if they'd commit to upgrading to a D1 team with 18 full scholarships and have all 6 New England state flagship universities.
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I like the "kick them out" statement. ND is for ND. However, hockey makes no difference in conference realignment. If hockey mattered, ND would not have joined the ACC, they would have looked for a P5 conference where hockey mattered. Maybe it does in the B1G, but to the rest of the P5 world it is meaningless. I don't think UConn can rely on hockey to get it to the P5.
 
Another point on ND whining about officiating. They are ranked 10th of 12 in penalties called. As in, they've had the third-LEAST amount of penalties called.
 
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Notre Dame fans haven't yet realized that their arrogance and wanting to avoid the Big Ten has helped them be largely irrelevant the past 10-15 seasons. Other than a smoke and mirrors championship appearance where they were waxed, they've been a second rate program in recent seasons.

They can have their 'national' status by affiliating with the ACC... except they haven't really been national for several years. No one is beating down their door to go to Notre Dame now.
 
Where would ND go if it left Hockey East? B1G is the most logical based on geography; but, it is a no go for political reasons. ECAC would have the same travel issues for ND as Hockey East without the cache of BC, BU, etc. . WCHA has some schools that are closer; but, none of the big names that ND wants. NCHC has Denver, North Dakota, UM-Duluth; but the travel would be as bad if not worse for ND. Atlantic, uh, not. Maybe the Irish could form a new league with Arizona St. once the Sun Devils are up to speed.

As for who would Hockey East replace ND with, HC adds nothing except to make BC happy with their 'biggest' sports rival. Cough, cough. Quinnipiac, Union & RPI all have positives and negatives. I don't see URI making the jump due to state budget issues while Hockey East does not align well with the academically oriented Ivy League teams (Dartmouth, Harvard, Brown, Cornell, Yale, Princeton). I wonder if a school like Delaware, who was a major rival for Penn St at the club level before the Nittany Lions made the jump to the B1G, be interested. What about Lehigh, Villanova or Pitt? Just thinking that a program that expands Hockey East into a new regions (NY or PA) while still being a bus ride away for most teams would be good.
 
Delaware, Lehigh and Villanova and even Penn are just club teams. UConn was a varsity program playing without scholarships in a D1 league. What's baffling to me is that Penn is just a club team. There are only two D1 programs in PA: Robert Morris & Penn State and while there's some thriving junior college and DIII programs it's really under represented all things considered.
 
buddy said:
I like the "kick them out" statement. ND is for ND. However, hockey makes no difference in conference realignment. If hockey mattered, ND would not have joined the ACC, they would have looked for a P5 conference where hockey mattered. Maybe it does in the B1G, but to the rest of the P5 world it is meaningless. I don't think UConn can rely on hockey to get it to the P5.
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In a resume for P5 membership it's in the same category as other activities ,that perspective employers only use a tie breaker. Usually they go unread
I wanted to know what you actually have accomplished 1. (football), education 2 (basketball)other 3 (hockey ,soccer etc)
 
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WestHartHusk said:
My order: Cornell, URI (it would be cool to have every State U in NE), QU then RPI. Looking at the landscape, URI better be getting their house in order if they want to be considered when ND leaves.[/QUOTE

It won't be URI. Football sucks up too many dollars and too many scholarships for them to go big time in hockey. The athletic pie is already stretched pretty thin there. There has been some talk about dumping football, but too many big dollar donors would revolt if they did so they hang around and suck every year. (sound familliar?)
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kyleslamb said:
Notre Dame fans haven't yet realized that their arrogance and wanting to avoid the Big Ten has helped them be largely irrelevant the past 10-15 seasons. Other than a smoke and mirrors championship appearance where they were waxed, they've been a second rate program in recent seasons.

They can have their 'national' status by affiliating with the ACC... except they haven't really been national for several years. No one is beating down their door to go to Notre Dame now.
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ND is doing just fine under Kelly. He is 45-20 at ND. ND's recruiting rankings are consistently in the top ten. Kelly had them 12-0 and in the championship game in 2012.

ND gave a glimpse of next year's team by beating LSU in the Music City Bowl a few weeks ago. My prediction? Probably 10-2 next season.

None of ND's recent past has anything to do with arrogance (which I don't support) or avoiding the Big Ten (which I do).
 
None of ND's recent past has anything to do with arrogance (which I don't support) or avoiding the Big Ten (which I do).[/QUOTE]

Maybe ND hasn't been arrogant in the last couple of days but in recent years I think so. Affiliating with the Big East and then the ACC for all sports except football so they can enjoy their lucrative tv contract all for themselves isn't arrogant? If not, what is it?
 
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It is identity, tradition and history.

ND could make lots and lots more TV dollars by simply joining the Big Ten.

It won't, just like it won't sell naming rights to its stadium or allow advertising in there.

That is something other than arrogance.
 
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TerryD said:
It is identity, tradition and history.

ND could make lots and lots more TV dollars by simply joining the Big Ten.

It won't, just like it won't sell naming rights to its stadium or allow advertising in there.

That is something other than arrogance.
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I'm sorry, that's arrogance.
 
The Big Ten's "larger" paycheck is a recent phenomenon. Prior to the BTN, Michigan and Ohio State could have acted against "sharing" their larger slice of the revenue pie equally with conference mates. Alabama could have taken a bigger chunk instead of sharing equally with their conference mates. Notre Dame has a history of only looking out for itself. For years they enjoyed a de facto football "conference" with their annual rivalry games, but CR has melted away some of their schedule. If all conferences pursue a 9 game schedule, the playoff stays at four teams, and conference networks rain down mountains of cash, ND will be forced to join a conference. Even then, it's likely they will try to retain a larger slice of the pie along with exclusive benefits. Maybe it's not arrogance, but it's also neither becoming nor admirable.
 
itgoeslike said:
The Big Ten's "larger" paycheck is a recent phenomenon. Prior to the BTN, Michigan and Ohio State could have acted against "sharing" their larger slice of the revenue pie equally with conference mates. Alabama could have taken a bigger chunk instead of sharing equally with their conference mates. Notre Dame has a history of only looking out for itself. For years they enjoyed a de facto football "conference" with their annual rivalry games, but CR has melted away some of their schedule. If all conferences pursue a 9 game schedule, the playoff stays at four teams, and conference networks rain down mountains of cash, ND will be forced to join a conference. Even then, it's likely they will try to retain a larger slice of the pie along with exclusive benefits. Maybe it's not arrogance, but it's also neither becoming nor admirable.
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This is why Notre Dame and Texas will end up affiliated with the ACC -- the conference that will give them a special deal.
 
ThetaZoo said:
I'm sorry, that's arrogance.
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Nah, it's just opportunity. They could so they did. I'm not a huge fan of the Irish but that wasn't arrogance.
 
itgoeslike said:
The Big Ten's "larger" paycheck is a recent phenomenon. Prior to the BTN, Michigan and Ohio State could have acted against "sharing" their larger slice of the revenue pie equally with conference mates. Alabama could have taken a bigger chunk instead of sharing equally with their conference mates. Notre Dame has a history of only looking out for itself. For years they enjoyed a de facto football "conference" with their annual rivalry games, but CR has melted away some of their schedule. If all conferences pursue a 9 game schedule, the playoff stays at four teams, and conference networks rain down mountains of cash, ND will be forced to join a conference. Even then, it's likely they will try to retain a larger slice of the pie along with exclusive benefits. Maybe it's not arrogance, but it's also neither becoming nor admirable.
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Very good points...and that will be accelerated when (notice I said when NOT if...because it will happen) a 11-1 ND team gets bounced out of the playoff by a 11-2 conference winning championship team. When that happens Jack Swarbick is going to have to go to his BIG $ boosters and unfortunately tell them that unless they join a conference this is the reality they have to live with.
 
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