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Notre Dame fans haven't yet realized that their arrogance and wanting to avoid the Big Ten has helped them be largely irrelevant the past 10-15 seasons. Other than a smoke and mirrors championship appearance where they were waxed, they've been a second rate program in recent seasons.

They can have their 'national' status by affiliating with the ACC... except they haven't really been national for several years. No one is beating down their door to go to Notre Dame now.
The reason ND lost that game to Alabama was because their players were too busy making up fake girlfriends over twitter. Man did ND get curb stomped in that game. Lacy was like a Mack truck that night.
 
The reason ND lost that game to Alabama was because their players were too busy making up fake girlfriends over twitter. Man did ND get curb stomped in that game. Lacy was like a Mack truck that night.


Quite true. That Alabama team shut out LSU and beat them by 21 points in the title game the year before.

LSU never crossed mid- field.

I wonder what their excuse was.

Those Alabama teams were more like pro than college teams. It is my opinion that Alabama would have kicked anyone's ass that night.

I would rather make the championship game than not, even with a curb stomping.

It didn't much diminish the fun of a 12-0 regular season, at least for me.
 
Very good points...and that will be accelerated when (notice I said when NOT if...because it will happen) a 11-1 ND team gets bounced out of the playoff by a 11-2 conference winning championship team. When that happens Jack Swarbick is going to have to go to his BIG $ boosters and unfortunately tell them that unless they join a conference this is the reality they have to live with.


Then ND will just have to live with that reality occasionally. It would be part of the price to pay to remain out of the clutches of a conference.

That scenario you describe will only come into play occasionally.

Independence is all the time, 24/7.
 
Then ND will just have to live with that reality occasionally. It would be part of the price to pay to remain out of the clutches of a conference.

That scenario you describe will only come into play occasionally.

Independence is all the time, 24/7.
Then I hope ND fans keep that in mind Terry...because the ones that know will be crying their eyes out complaining how bad ND got duck*ED by being left out.
 
The Big Ten's "larger" paycheck is a recent phenomenon. Prior to the BTN, Michigan and Ohio State could have acted against "sharing" their larger slice of the revenue pie equally with conference mates. Alabama could have taken a bigger chunk instead of sharing equally with their conference mates. Notre Dame has a history of only looking out for itself. For years they enjoyed a de facto football "conference" with their annual rivalry games, but CR has melted away some of their schedule. If all conferences pursue a 9 game schedule, the playoff stays at four teams, and conference networks rain down mountains of cash, ND will be forced to join a conference. Even then, it's likely they will try to retain a larger slice of the pie along with exclusive benefits. Maybe it's not arrogance, but it's also neither becoming nor admirable.


Those schools have been in football conferences for decades.

ND has been s football independent for the entire 127 years of it's existence.

Big difference indentity, mindset and tradition.

As an independent, ND has always had to look out for its own best interests.

It was on its own, "Us vs. everyone else".

For an independent, small Catholic school without allies (except Navy in WW2), it has done pretty well on its own.
 
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Then I hope ND fans keep that in mind Terry...because the ones that know will be crying their eyes out complaining how bad ND got duck*ED by being left out.

I won't be one of them.
 
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Those schools have been in football conferences for decades.

ND has been s football independent for the entire 127 years of it's existence.

Big difference indentity, mindset and tradition.

As an independent, ND has always had to look out for its own best interests.

It was on its own, "Us vs. everyone else".

For an independent, small Catholic school without allies (except Navy in WW2), it has done pretty well on its own.

There were quite a few independents 25 years ago, but very few remain. Navy has been an independent for 100 years and that's coming to a close. P5 autonomy will make it more and more difficult on any remaining independents. Notre Dame's independent identity is really limited to football, whereas their olympic sports are very much dependent on conference affiliation. When you examine ND's conference relationships, you see a school that demands "special" treatment and exclusive benefits—from zero exit fees and no waiting periods, to exclusive TV arrangements in Hockey East, to secret revenue schemes in the ACC. They prey on the weakest conference, one that can be easily leveraged. This is the identity that limits ND's pool of allies (not something that happened 80 years ago). There could come a day when the remaining conferences are generating more cash, featuring better match ups, and playing for more national championships than the independent. At that point, ND may very well reap what they sow.
 
Independence is all the time, 24/7.
Yea 24/7 except during basketball. hockey. baseball. soccer. cross country, women's bball. men's golf, women's golf, men's lacrosse, women's lacrosse, rowing, women's soccer, softball, men's swimming and diving, women's swimming and diving, men's tennis, woman's tennis, track and field, volleyball and those 4 or 5 ACC mandated football games.
 
The typical line goes ND will not join B1G, B1G doesn't want ND. However, if this is not 100% completely true, if there have been casual conversations between the two, if this is not carved in stone, ND hockey in the B1G would be an interesting way to get people on both sides a bit more comfortable with the notion of being together, rather than separate. ND in the B1G has always made sense. Dip your toe in the water...

(a lot of if's)
 
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One of the best ways to get ND into the B1G is to expand the B1G into ND's target area. I have always felt that ND would end up in the B1G and the reality is that bringing UCONN in would only help that cause.

My guess is that the B1G will add two eastern programs and then seek to add four more heavy hitter schools. ND will be one of the last two and their path will be clear. If you want to play close to home, remain a huge name in the Northeast and tap into the Mid-Atlantic/South, the B1G is the place to be.

I expect to see UCONN and a Virginia school, Texas and Oklahoma and then one more round of expansion that will include ND and another program. I believe that our failure to get into the ACC or B12 will become a blessing long term. I have my bad days, but I believe this deep down. If we could get back to winning football and basketball games my confidence would soar.
 
ND will join the B1G if the ACC does not survive the eventual P5 consolidation into the P4 because no other conference makes any sense or, as always the case, joining the B1G after the XII folds whereby the additions of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and two others (hopefully one of which is UConn) provides more value to ND than staying in the ACC.
 
Not a day goes by without ND complaining about something. Yesterday it was Hockey East today it's the FB schedule the ACC provided.
http://irish.nbcsports.com/2015/01/29/acc-scheduling-puts-irish-in-the-crosshairs/

"Three of the six opponents that face Notre Dame will be coming into their game with the Irish after an off week. That includes a November matchup against Boston College in Fenway Park and the Irish’s visit to Clemson, who will have nine days between their visit from Notre Dame and their Thursday night trip to Louisville. Wake Forest also gets an extra week to prepare for their visit to South Bend."
 
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ND will join the B1G if the ACC does not survive the eventual P5 consolidation into the P4 because no other conference makes any sense or, as always the case, joining the B1G after the XII folds whereby the additions of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and two others (hopefully one of which is UConn) provides more value to ND than staying in the ACC.


I doubt ND will ever join the Big Ten under just about any likely scenario.

The only one that might happen would be a Big Ten that has schools from Boston to Atlanta and on down to Miami and includes the University of Texas.

Only if that happens and there are no ACC and Big 12 conferences in existence would ND consider the Big Ten over the surviving other two conferences.

ND wants to remain part of the P5 or otherwise it would consider the Big East for its other sports and a total football independent over joining the Big Ten.

So, only by total annihilation of any other choices would ND consider the Big Ten as its last choice.

But, we all have opinions on this issue. Mine is just different than posters here.
 
Not a day goes by without ND complaining about something. Yesterday it was Hockey East today it's the FB schedule the ACC provided.
http://irish.nbcsports.com/2015/01/29/acc-scheduling-puts-irish-in-the-crosshairs/

"Three of the six opponents that face Notre Dame will be coming into their game with the Irish after an off week. That includes a November matchup against Boston College in Fenway Park and the Irish’s visit to Clemson, who will have nine days between their visit from Notre Dame and their Thursday night trip to Louisville. Wake Forest also gets an extra week to prepare for their visit to South Bend."


Three of the six ACC schools that ND faces next year will have bye weeks before the ND game.

Clemson has sixteen days from its prior game to the ND game at Clemson, for instance.

That is not accidental but again that is just part of the price of being an independent. So it goes.

Nothing really to complain about. Just line up and play.
 
I doubt ND will ever join the Big Ten under just about any likely scenario.

The only one that might happen would be a Big Ten that has schools from Boston to Atlanta and on down to Miami and includes Texas.

Only if that happens and there are no ACC and Big 12 conferences in existence would ND consider the Big Ten over the surviving other two conferences.

ND wants to remain part of the P5 or otherwise it would consider the Big East for its other sports and a total independent over joining the Big Ten.

So, only by total annihilation of any other choices would ND consider the Big Ten as its last choice.

But, we all have opinions on this issue. Mine is just different than posters here.
ND isn't going anywhere with football. And the Big Ten isn't adding one school to make it 15. That goes for UConn or ND.
 
Not a day goes by without ND complaining about something. Yesterday it was Hockey East today it's the FB schedule the ACC provided.
http://irish.nbcsports.com/2015/01/29/acc-scheduling-puts-irish-in-the-crosshairs/

"Three of the six opponents that face Notre Dame will be coming into their game with the Irish after an off week. That includes a November matchup against Boston College in Fenway Park and the Irish’s visit to Clemson, who will have nine days between their visit from Notre Dame and their Thursday night trip to Louisville. Wake Forest also gets an extra week to prepare for their visit to South Bend."
THAT is ND's identity.
 
[QUOTE="CTGoonie, post: 1209642, member: 764"]Not a day goes by without ND complaining about something. Yesterday it was Hockey East today it's the FB schedule the ACC provided.
http://irish.nbcsports.com/2015/01/29/acc-scheduling-puts-irish-in-the-crosshairs/

"Three of the six opponents that face Notre Dame will be coming into their game with the Irish after an off week. That includes a November matchup against Boston College in Fenway Park and the Irish’s visit to Clemson, who will have nine days between their visit from Notre Dame and their Thursday night trip to Louisville. Wake Forest also gets an extra week to prepare for their visit to South Bend."[/QUOTE]



In my opinion, ND really doesn't want to be part of any conference for any sport. It reluctantly and begrudgingly belongs to Hockey East for its hockey program and the ACC for other sports but football.

That is why you see ND complaining about treatment in both conferences. It doesn't like conferences, any conferences, period. Neither does its alumni and fan base. ND just doesn't like placing its sports programs under any outside (conference) control.

ND views conferences, again in my opinion, as necessary evils at worst and temporary business arrangements at best.
 
One would think the almighty ND would complain that it has to play Wake and UVA rather than Florida State.
 
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In my opinion, ND really doesn't want to be part of any conference for any sport. It reluctantly and begrudgingly belongs to Hockey East for its hockey program and the ACC for other sports but football.

That is why you see ND complaining about treatment in both conferences. It doesn't like conferences, any conferences, period. Neither does its alumni and fan base. ND just doesn't like placing its sports programs under any outside (conference) control.

ND views conferences, again in my opinion, as necessary evils at worst and temporary business arrangements at best.

That is absolute BS. ND sure enjoyed riding the Big East coattails. You think Mr. Mock Turtleneck would have had any success if the hoops team was independent?!
 
[/QUOTE]In my opinion, ND really doesn't want to be part of any conference for any sport. It reluctantly and begrudgingly belongs to Hockey East for its hockey program and the ACC for other sports but football.
That is why you see ND complaining about treatment in both conferences. It doesn't like conferences, any conferences, period. Neither does its alumni and fan base. ND just doesn't like placing its sports programs under any outside (conference) control. ND views conferences, again in my opinion, as necessary evils at worst and temporary business arrangements at best.[/QUOTE]

I'd love to accommodate you. ND remains independent and plays the other, remaining independents...in all sports. Done and done.
 
That is absolute BS. ND sure enjoyed riding the Big East coattails. You think Mr. Mock Turtleneck would have had any success if the hoops team was independent?!

I don't think that Brey wears that mock turtleneck any longer....

Not many ND fans lament the passing of the old Big East Conference. Some do, but not many.

ND had a great run in the Seventies and Eighties as a basketball independent. It had to put its program in the Big East, sure, but nobody at ND really liked the idea that much. Better success, yes. Membership? Not that much.

You guys post threads about ND here a good bit. I am just trying to post how ND views things but will end my thread posts here. Take care.
 
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Not many ND fans lament the passing of the old Big East Conference. Some do, but not many.

ND had a great run in the Seventies and Eighties as a basketball independent. It had to put its program in the Big East, sure, but nobody at ND really liked the idea that much. Better success, yes. Membership? Not that much.

You guys post threads about ND here a good bit. I am just trying to post how ND views things but will end my thread posts here. Take care.
ND was a member of the Big East. ND left the Big East to join the ACC. Some fans you know may not like ND being a member of a conference but ND sure enjoys it.
 
I don't think that Brey wears that mock turtleneck any longer....

Not many ND fans lament the passing of the old Big East Conference. Some do, but not many.

ND had a great run in the Seventies and Eighties as a basketball independent. It had to put its program in the Big East, sure, but nobody at ND really liked the idea that much. Better success, yes. Membership? Not that much.

You guys post threads about ND here a good bit. I am just trying to post how ND views things but will end my thread posts here. Take care.

And just like that, he was gone!
 
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The posters who said earlier that no one wanted Notre Dame is totally spot on -- it totally effed the makeup of the league. Notre Dame has a great arena and is definitely a program on the rise, but we didn't want them.

I have to say -- all my friends have been thrilled with UConn in Hockey East. They've been competitive (I knew they would be, but they've taken down some really good teams -- Lowell in particular) and they're only going to get better (unfortunately).

I haven't hated a fan base other than BU as much as I did at the game earlier this season at the XL Center. It was loud and roudy and we lost and it sucked really bad and it was fun as hell. I love that hate.

I couldn't make it up to Boston for the game up at Conte but by all accounts it was one of the best atmospheres of the year. After the game there was a really uncomfortable love-hate fest on Twitter between my friends and the UConn guys about how much we hate you but how fun it was BUT DON'T FORGET WE HATE YOU but it was fun. But you suck and we hate you.

Once UConn has its on campus arena we're going to be looking back at UConn as the perfect addition to the conference. I hate you guys a lot and that's pretty goshdarn fun.

Also, relegating Notre Dame to the NCHC and adding Quinnipiac would make me a happy camper. The NCHC is going to need a new team when ASU joins up :shrug:
 
I think most ND fans believe that Hockey's impact on Notre Dame's decision on joining a conference is about the same as women's interhall softball. That is, it doesn't come into the conversation. With respect to the big 10, I don't want to be there, it would perpetuate the idea that we are a Midwestern program competing with Michigan and Wisconsin and not the USC's, LSU's and FSU's of the world. That said, if conference realignment continues on its current path, it might be something that would make sense for us, so I would never rule it out. But with all that said, and considering our lack of success in any sport over the past 20 years, why does anyone care if we do or don't join a conference.
 
Because Notre Dame is the one kid in a large family that requires special accommodations 50% of the time.

We don't require special accommodations, but people seem willing to give them to us. Why shouldn't we take advantage of accommodations that people make available. If the big 10 offers UConn an opportunity to join, would you decline the invitation if Houston or SMU said your leaving would ruin the AAC. My guess is that you would jump at the opportunity.
 
We don't require special accommodations, but people seem willing to give them to us.

In large part because it keeps the Department of Justice and nosy congressmen at bay.

(I'm baiting @TerryD here)
 
Odd that the one person I feel I have to respond to in this thread is named Irishfan.

"considering our lack of success in any sport over the past 20 years . . ."

Notre Dame Athletics over the past 20 years:

Football - 4 BCS appearances
M Basketball - *sigh* (at least we're doing OK this year)
W Basketball - 5 Final Fours, 1 leading to a National Championship
M Soccer - 1 National Championship
W Soccer - 8 Finals, 3 leading to National Championships
M Lacrosse - 3 Final Fours
W Lacrosse - 1 Final Four
Baseball - 1 College World Series
Softball - 16 consecutive appearances in the NCAA Tourney
M Ice Hockey - 2 Frozen Fours
Fencing - 3 National Championships

By the way, if I got to make a decision on ND and Conference Realignment, I would want UConn and ND to finish off the B1G at 16 schools. We have a "national" student body, but the vast majority come from either the Midwest or Northeast. Most of our alumni are in the Midwest or Northeast. The B1G would have a presence from DC to New England. It's perfect for us if only our older alumni didn't hold such a grudge against the B1G (and really, I doubt the students/administrations of the school in the southern half ACC were any more inclined to help a Catholic school around 1910 than were their counterparts in the B1G).
 
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