Not a lot of rumors flying lately

[B1GALUM]

Unless the B1G wants to take UB under its wing by admitting them now prior to any commitments or investments by UB, it just ain't happening (I'm referring to the UB side of things). It is likelier that UB become a BU.

Well it does solve the contiguous problem for us, doesn't it?

Yes. It does. I think UConn to the B1G, aside from pursuit of AAU membership, is really dependent upon finding another east coast university as a partner.

Missouri is not likely coming to the B1G in my opinion. The B1G passed already and Missouri stands to enrich itself via money and access to recruits by remaining in the SEC.
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/coll...cle_6371a1f1-a649-54cf-8176-3e51512ff71b.html

An ACC school is not likely coming to the B1G in my opinion. Virginia and other members of the ACC have made a decision to move forward together and attempt to brand the ACC as the dominant basketball conference.
http://college-basketball.si.com/2013/06/07/acc-tv-ratings-national-interest/?sct=uk_t11_a0

A west coast partner is not likely in my opinion.

Oklahoma really seems tied to OSU.
“I would also underline the fact that we’re working very, very closely with our friends at Oklahoma State University. As I’ve looked at other places and seen their relationship – or perhaps their lack of a good relationship – between even universities in the same state, I appreciate even more the close relationship that we have with Oklahoma State University. We are conferring daily, the two presidents with each other, the leaders of the athletics departments with each other. Whatever we do, we’re going to do it together. I think that’s very good news for the state of Oklahoma. It shows the kind of quality of cooperation and unity that strengthens our state.
http://newsok.com/david-boren-realignment-transcript-first-portion/article/3776949

Kansas really seems tied to KSU.
"What makes me happy and proud is that both KU and K-State have worked as a team throughout these meetings in Kansas City, basically as one voice," said Dan Lykins, a member of the Kansas Board of Regents. "I think that's helped a lot. Both ADs, Lew Perkins and John Currie, are working closely with other ADs. President Schulz gave a real inspirational speech at one of the meetings. I know he's very well respected among the other presidents and ADs." If the Big 12 falls apart, KU and K-State will be looking for a new home. Wherever they go, Lykins said, they will go together. "KU and K-State will always be in the same conference together," Lykins said. "There's not going to be a split."
http://cjonline.com/sports/football/2010-06-05/big_12_best_option_for_ku_ksu

I really do share the skepticism of Upstater about UB to the B1G but so much has happened in conference realignment over the past 4 years that I find it increasingly difficult to absolutely exclude a possibility regardless of how remote. The " largest and most comprehensive public university in the state and the only Division I FBS program in the SUNY system." , which resides in a state that the B1G wants to further penetrate and set up an east coast office in, is a consideration albeit a remote one. If the B1G wants to dominate NYC then UConn is a must but another school is needed for realignment to fulfill the wish of many on this board to join the B1G.

 

[pj]

Well, Buffalo is AAU so it will test your (or someone's) assertion that it's easier to build a athletic program from scratch (and $500 mn) than to build a research powerhouse. The question is, who is going to come up with the $500 mn?

 

[B1GALUM]

Well, Buffalo is AAU so it will test your (or someone's) assertion that it's easier to build a athletic program from scratch (and $500 mn) than to build a research powerhouse. The question is, who is going to come up with the $500 mn?

I need to make sure GopherHawk gets the credit for that assertion.

If there was a feeling the Boston market could be tapped. The question would be, "What would take more time and money. Making a school AAU worthy or creating Football and BB programs that can compete?"

My answer would be you could make football and BB programs competitive in 5-7 years for $500M in stadiums/coaching. It might take longer and more $'s to make a school AAU worthy.

Delany has said the B1G is trying to be in position for the next 50+ years. That statement is good for UCONN. That means more additions can be made on potential.

I agree there is nothing about UB athletics that says B1G to me but AAU membership, large public research university, east coast team does. Again this is a speculation on my part for a #16 to UConn as a #15. I like the idea of UConn in the B1G and am trying to look at all possibilities for another school.

I will say this with respect to athletics, football in particular, the only way the B1G is going to get back to the pinnacle of football success is via Ohio State and/or Michigan. Meyer and Hoke are challenging the SEC in recruiting right now. Whether that translates to on field success remains to be seen. However, the B1G already has the football brands. It just needs them to perform when it counts.

 

[pj]

The other thing about Buffalo is that it is physically and culturally more of a Great Lakes town than an East Coast town. I'm not sure how much sway the State University of New York - Buffalo will have in New York City even if it does rebrand itself as the University of New York.

But SUNY Stony Brook is right outside NYC, and is in the AAU. Why don't we make them our #16?

Stony Brook -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stony_Brook_University 16k undergrad, 8k grad students
Buffalo -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_at_Buffalo,_The_State_University_of_New_York 19k undergrad, 9.5k grad students

Of the four "university centers" in the SUNY system, these are the two biggest -- Albany and Binghamton are about half their size. These are also the two AAU members in the SUNY system.

Stony Book Football is currently FCS, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stony_Brook_Seawolves_football.

 

[NickyNewark]

Everyone is fired up for Michigan but the Maryland game will be awesome. If you hate Edsall it's a huge opportunity to bury him.

He's got a decent roster and they have no reason not to be at least 7-5.

I hope they don't finish 7-5..That may save his job even the kid's don't like him but Locksley seem's to be revered by recruit's which in turn up till now saved RE's job!

 

[upstater]

The other thing about Buffalo is that it is physically and culturally more of a Great Lakes town than an East Coast town. I'm not sure how much sway the State University of New York - Buffalo will have in New York City even if it does rebrand itself as the University of New York.

But SUNY Stony Brook is right outside NYC, and is in the AAU. Why don't we make them our #16?

Stony Brook -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stony_Brook_University 16k undergrad, 8k grad students
Buffalo -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_at_Buffalo,_The_State_University_of_New_York 19k undergrad, 9.5k grad students

Of the four "university centers" in the SUNY system, these are the two biggest -- Albany and Binghamton are about half their size. These are also the two AAU members in the SUNY system.

Stony Book Football is currently FCS, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stony_Brook_Seawolves_football.

UB is about to expand by 10k students. They have the same bill passed in NYS that UConn passed this week.

That being said, you have to take recruiting and such into account. You have to take interest into account. I've been saying this for a long time, but UB would skyrocket to the top of hockey rankings if they had a D1 hockey team. The talent around here puts even Eastern Mass. to shame. And the interest around here in hockey is through the roof. It's a wonder the school even messes with football.

 

[NickyNewark]

I had a call from Maryland athletic marketing today. I bought my tickets last year for our game through them.(sorry I like 50 yard line seats) After telling him I was UCONN fan we had long conversations about Edsall and how he was thought of here and how he hoped they would let him be accepted there. Things did not sound good for him. But what really bothered me when I told him congrats on getting into the big and how as a Uconn fan we were envious. Total silence and he changed the conversation. Take it for what it is worth.

Great for the Terp's now they can be outsider's in two conferences!Way to make friend's and show your gratefulness for bailing out your athletic dept and making major concession's to offset traveling cost's! !

 

[whaler11]

When you start talking about the University at Buffalo to the Big 10.... it's time to take a step back and a deep breath.

 

[UConnDan97]

When you start talking about the University at Buffalo to the Big 10.... it's time to take a step back and a deep breath.

I throw the "Buffalo to B1G" talk in the same bin with the "Tulane to SEC" and "Rice to Big12" collection. Lots of crazy to go around...

 

[UCFBfan]

B1GAlum, I gotta give it to ya. Your posts are well thought out and usually backed up. That last post with links was well done. It is nice to have some posters here who actually wanna talk normally instead of talk smack. Sorry again for lumping you and some others back in that other thread. You are def proving me mistaken and I'm glad to Have ya (even if Buffalo to B1G is crazy talk )

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[B1GALUM]

When you start talking about the University at Buffalo to the Big 10.... it's time to take a step back and a deep breath.

I throw the "Buffalo to B1G" talk in the same bin with the "Tulane to SEC" and "Rice to Big12" collection. Lots of crazy to go around...

whaler11 and UConnDan97 ... I really do think UConn would be a great fit for the B1G and just looking at all the options for a partner school for you. That said ... I am taking a step back and taking a deep breath and easing up on the crazy talk and hoping somehow Virginia changes her mind about the ACC and seeks an invite to the B1G.

B1GAlum, I gotta give it to ya. Your posts are well thought out and usually backed up. That last post with links was well done. It is nice to have some posters here who actually wanna talk normally instead of talk smack. Sorry again for lumping you and some others back in that other thread. You are def proving me mistaken and I'm glad to Have ya (even if Buffalo to B1G is crazy talk )

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UCBFan ... Thank you. This is your board. I respect that and smack talk is not my style. I just enjoy talking about the B1G especially with those who have an interest in where it is headed and perhaps wanting to be a part of it. I hope a few years down the road UConn to the B1G will be a celebration for you and not speculation.

Mike

 

[#MACtion]

UB is about to expand by 10k students. They have the same bill passed in NYS that UConn passed this week.

That being said, you have to take recruiting and such into account. You have to take interest into account. I've been saying this for a long time, but UB would skyrocket to the top of hockey rankings if they had a D1 hockey team. The talent around here puts even Eastern Mass. to shame. And the interest around here in hockey is through the roof. It's a wonder the school even messes with football.

Buffalo would do very well in Hockey. Their ACHA club team draws wells. Rumor was they considered joining the CCHA and starting a D1 program as the CCHA was falling apart with the formation of the Big Ten Hockey and NCHC. Bowling Green, Buffalo, and Lake State were going to merge with Canisius, Niagra, and a couple other Atlantic Hockey programs who want to sponsor full scholarships of 18. They were hoping for a donation from the Sabre's owner but it fell through.

I think there is a decent chance Iowa State upgrades their club team and joins the NCHC as they would be sitting in a great spot in the conference and Iowa supports hockey well.

 

[jdb50]

Iowa St and UCONN to the BIG, now there's a thought.

 

[woomba]

Buffalo's a former private school that joined the SUNY system in the 60s and is #3 or #4 in the pecking order amongst the NY SUNYs (in terms of selectivity for undergrads)- it's also further away from NYC than Rutgers, Penn State, UConn, and Maryland.

I think an argument can be made for Stony Brook if they move up to FBS and build it for the next 20-30 years but I really don't see what Buffalo brings to a major conference. It's not even a major power within the MAC.

SUNY's a weird system and there's no clear cut ideal flagship candidate - NY times has a good article on it here. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/education/25suny-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

[whaler11]

whaler11 and UConnDan97 ... I really do think UConn would be a great fit for the B1G and just looking at all the options for a partner school for you. That said ... I am taking a step back and taking a deep breath and easing up on the crazy talk and hoping somehow Virginia changes her mind about the ACC and seeks an invite to the B1G.



UCBFan ... Thank you. This is your board. I respect that and smack talk is not my style. I just enjoy talking about the B1G especially with those who have an interest in where it is headed and perhaps wanting to be a part of it. I hope a few years down the road UConn to the B1G will be a celebration for you and not speculation.

Mike

Buddy you are fine - but Buffalo in the Big 10 is just ridiculous. They can't put together teams that can compete in the MAC. I know some here have forgotten that the Big 10 is actually a sports league.

 

[whaler11]

Minnesota State has a better chance than Iowa State. At least their coaches had a reality show on ABC. Craig T Nelson > John L Smith.

 

[pj]

Of all the B1G candidates outside major conferences, Colorado State makes the most sense to me. But you don't hear anything about them. Even Air Force is listed ahead of them among Colorado schools when B12 expansion is discussed.

 

[whaler11]

Of all the B1G candidates outside major conferences, Colorado State makes the most sense to me. But you don't hear anything about them. Even Air Force is listed ahead of them among Colorado schools when B12 expansion is discussed.

Well if you get dumped by Colorado do you date Colorado State. You can at least pretend Air Force has a national fan base.

Try to imagine the Air Force in the Big 12. They could never compete.

 

[upstater]

Buffalo's a former private school that joined the SUNY system in the 60s and is #3 or #4 in the pecking order amongst the NY SUNYs (in terms of selectivity for undergrads)- it's also further away from NYC than Rutgers, Penn State, UConn, and Maryland.

I think an argument can be made for Stony Brook if they move up to FBS and build it for the next 20-30 years but I really don't see what Buffalo brings to a major conference. It's not even a major power within the MAC.

SUNY's a weird system and there's no clear cut ideal flagship candidate - NY times has a good article on it here. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/education/25suny-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

It's pretty clear in the system that Buffalo is ahead. It's ahead in all the Carnegie and National Foundations, ahead in the peer rankings, ahead in research. It also has taken the lead on future development with UB 2020.

 

[#MACtion]

Y'all are a little too optimistic about Buffalo if you think the Big Ten will come calling.

 

[pj]

Y'all are a little too optimistic about Buffalo if you think the Big Ten will come calling.

Well, maybe we should bring Buffalo into the AAC, build them up a little.

 

[B1GALUM]

Y'all are a little too optimistic about Buffalo if you think the Big Ten will come calling.

#MACtion ... Y'all ... No. This one is on me. It was speculation by me to solve a practical problem that our UConn hosts have getting into the B1G: the need for another eastern partner to serve as #16 to their being #15.

 

[upstater]

Y'all are a little too optimistic about Buffalo if you think the Big Ten will come calling.

Uh, I could've sworn you brought it up first.

 

[#MACtion]

Uh, I could've sworn you brought it up first.

Where? That was another poster. I just said that Buffalo should upgrade hockey as I think they could be very successful. UB belongs in the MAC.

 

[upstater]

Where? That was another poster. I just said that Buffalo should upgrade hockey as I think they could be very successful. UB belongs in the MAC.

Yes, I mixed you up with B1Galum

 

[B1GALUM]

Yes, I mixed you up with B1Galum

Yes. This one is on me. I take a different approach when it comes to looking at schools for B1G expansion. I start with academics/research and go forward from there to athletics unless a school is a football brand like Nebraska or Notre Dame. A school will need to meet a certain academic/research threshold, based on statements of the B1G presidents, before being considered for B1G membership. The status of UB as an AAU member, public research university, in a state contiguous to the B1G was where I started but clearly does not match on athletic criteria with the B1G as a number of board members have made clear to me. I recognize UB is not a realistic candidate for B1G expansion based on athletics.

 

[pj]

It is an intriguing idea. If we needed them as a partner we'd have to wait 20 years, but given that Delany or Gee or someone has said the B1G wants to plan 50 years out, it's not out of the question that they will consider Buffalo. At least it is creative thinking on your part, B1Galum. You should forward your suggestion to Delany in case he's not as forward-thinking.

If we're planning B1G strategy 20-30 years out, I do think Stony Brook is worth considering. I realize that politically there is demand for investment in struggling regions like Buffalo and resistance from wealthy Long Islanders to expansion at Stony Brook, so it will be easier to get New York state money to Buffalo. But the B1G has the Great Lakes pretty well covered. Greater penetration into the NY metropolitan area would be very valuable. Stony Brook is an hour's drive from NYC.

 

[woomba]

UB 2020 is Buffalo's version of the NYSUNY 2020 program - all the 4 university centers are doing similar initiatives. It'll be interesting to see what happens - over the past decade the SUNY system has given more freedom to the 4 university centers in terms of branding and has finally lifted the ban on private fundraising.

Binghamton & Geneseo still grabs the top students from the SUNY system but neither does much in the post-grad level compared to Buffalo & Stonybrook - I'm not sure if a true flagship can be created until all those are in-line.

 

[UConnDan97]

whaler11 and UConnDan97 ... I really do think UConn would be a great fit for the B1G and just looking at all the options for a partner school for you. That said ... I am taking a step back and taking a deep breath and easing up on the crazy talk and hoping somehow Virginia changes her mind about the ACC and seeks an invite to the B1G.

No worries. It's all for fun here.

Sadly, I think that the correct answer for the B1G to add with UConn would be....gulp....Syracuse. I hate to say it, but with the three schools (UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers) and the B1G football draws that they would bring (games against Mich, OSU, Penn St., etc.), I think that the B1G would stand a very good chance to capture a giant share of NYC. And that has to be the prize for anyone in college sports (or any sport, for that matter). In addition to adding the football viewership, the B1G would be undoubtedly the best basketball conference in the land. It could probably find ways to add a few preseason tourneys at MSG and be successful (possibly even a post-season tourney).

Alas, Delany thinks he can get NYC with just Rutgers. Poor confused Delany.....for our sake, I hope he realizes the error of his ways and rectifies the situation...

 

[NEforceUConn]

The B1G can get NYC for all intensive purposes with UConn alone. It does not need Cuse. If UConn gets a B1G invite, and i think the BIG could go to 15 without the concerns that Frank the Tank has, there's a strong probability that Cuse will wither on vine that's called the ACC, ala BCU.

CR isn't over, once UConn has AAU status I think the B1G could expand to 15 (caveot UConn joins in 24 months) and watch what happens for the 16th spot. The B1G would have 24 months to attract one more member. Just like the teams jumped from the old BE to a stronger conference, the likelihood that someone would jump from the ACC or Big 12 to a premier conference that has only one spot left are very high.

I liked the idea that someone mentioned where if the ACC makes noise to have MSG host their tourney that could be the event to have the B1G name UConn and squash the ACC's advance into NYC.