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Noting that our best chances at a B1G invite (or ACC) has passed. The partner thing is second only to the desire for further expansion. The desire for FL recruiting access is third.

Best (most likely) B1G "partners" noting.most are not very likely are:

1. Virginia
2. Kansas
(Big Drop)
3. Syracuse
4. FSU
(Real Big Drop)
5. BC
6. ND


I don't see anyone else. No carolina based team will leave on its own.

Path to ACC is simple, they lose one team.

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SubbaBub said:
Noting that our best chances at a B1G invite (or ACC) has passed. The partner thing is second only to the desire for further expansion. The desire for FL recruiting access is third.

Best (most likely) B1G "partners" noting.most are not very likely are:

1. Virginia
2. Kansas
(Big Drop)
3. Syracuse
4. FSU
(Real Big Drop)
5. BC
6. ND


I don't see anyone else. No carolina based team will leave on its own.

Path to ACC is simple, they lose one team.

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Please explain why B1G would add any private school other than ND? Delaney specifically said state flagship universities matter. Kansas has a KSU problem. Other than UVA, ND and maybe FSU, I am not sure about other candidates.

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I don't see Syracuse being a realistic candidate - they lost their AAU status a few years ago and their undergraduate admissions is becoming less selective over time. They may have the best athletics out of the NY based universities but it's not like they bring in any real part of NYC either.

I'd bet on UConn over Syracuse easily.
 
pj said:
It is an intriguing idea. If we needed them as a partner we'd have to wait 20 years, but given that Delany or Gee or someone has said the B1G wants to plan 50 years out, it's not out of the question that they will consider Buffalo. At least it is creative thinking on your part, B1Galum. You should forward your suggestion to Delany in case he's not as forward-thinking.

If we're planning B1G strategy 20-30 years out, I do think Stony Brook is worth considering. I realize that politically there is demand for investment in struggling regions like Buffalo and resistance from wealthy Long Islanders to expansion at Stony Brook, so it will be easier to get New York state money to Buffalo. But the B1G has the Great Lakes pretty well covered. Greater penetration into the NY metropolitan area would be very valuable. Stony Brook is an hour's drive from NYC.
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In 20 years, UB doesn't even have football.
 
woomba said:
UB 2020 is Buffalo's version of the NYSUNY 2020 program - all the 4 university centers are doing similar initiatives. It'll be interesting to see what happens - over the past decade the SUNY system has given more freedom to the 4 university centers in terms of branding and has finally lifted the ban on private fundraising.

Binghamton & Geneseo still grabs the top students from the SUNY system but neither does much in the post-grad level compared to Buffalo & Stonybrook - I'm not sure if a true flagship can be created until all those are in-line.
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The article was so wrong about flagships. Berkeley is NOT the flagship of the U. Cal. system. It's the best school, but not the flagship. It's not like U. Illinois CU or U. Texas- Austin.

The SUNY system is most similar to the U. Cal. system. UCLA, San Diego, Berkeley etc. These schools are equivalents.
When you say Geneseo gets the best students, you're looking at a small campus with limited number of students. A big campus's Honors program alone has more students than Geneseo, and better students too. I've seen the numbers. It's an apples to oranges comparison when you pit a tiny liberal arts school against a school with 25k students.
 
I strongly disagree that the UC system and the SUNY system equivalent - the article explains as much. Berkeley is the Flagship. It's the original UC university and was started decades before the birth of UCLA, UCSD, etc. This is why UCLA has a baby bear vs Cal's adult bear. Berkeley is the flagship. This is very different from the SUNY model where the admin chose to start 4 different universities at around the same time and tried its best to not upstage the private universities.

I also mentioned Binghamton if you wanted a University center example - Stonybrook has been getting better over time and is probably the #2 school after Binghamton.

Anyway this is getting away from sports talk so sorry about going OT.
 
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Florida State is not a candidate. Since if the Big 10 wanted them it took 1 phone call and the Big 10 didn't make it.
 
I am curious about UConn athletics, beyond basketball and football, as it relates to B1G expansion. Conference realignment will always be viewed through the prism of football; however, the B1G is clearly looking to highlight other sports with hockey and lacrosse most recently taking the stage. Aside from UConn as a basketball brand, could hockey and lacrosse at UConn spark additional interest from the B1G?
Big Ten Announces Conference Schedule for Inaugural
Season of Men's Ice Hockey
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/050813aaa.html
Big Ten Announces Institution of Men's and Women's Lacrosse and Addition of Johns Hopkins as Men's Lacrosse Sport Affiliate Member
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-lacros/spec-rel/060313aah.html
Gopher lacrosse could soon be a D-I sport
http://goldandgopher.com/2013/06/09...ed&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=Hot+Topics
 
B1GALUM said:
I am curious about UConn athletics, beyond basketball and football, as it relates to B1G expansion. Conference realignment will always be viewed through the prism of football; however, the B1G is clearly looking to highlight other sports with hockey and lacrosse most recently taking the stage. Aside from UConn as a basketball brand, could hockey and lacrosse at UConn spark additional interest from the B1G?
Big Ten Announces Conference Schedule for Inaugural
Season of Men's Ice Hockey
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/050813aaa.html
Big Ten Announces Institution of Men's and Women's Lacrosse and Addition of Johns Hopkins as Men's Lacrosse Sport Affiliate Member
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-lacros/spec-rel/060313aah.html
Gopher lacrosse could soon be a D-I sport
http://goldandgopher.com/2013/06/09/gopher-lacrosse-could-soon-be-a-d-i-sport/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=Hot+Topics
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I won't pretend to know anything about lacrosse but as far as hockey goes, I think UConn can actually do pretty well. Quinnipiac and Yale have shown a CT school can attract talent and Connecticut is actually a pretty good state for high school hockey players. There is a pretty decent Connecticut representation in the NHL, both past and present. If UConn can get some of this talent to play for them, I think the hockey program has a really good chance at taking off relatively quickly.
 
B1GALUM said:
I am curious about UConn athletics, beyond basketball and football, as it relates to B1G expansion. Conference realignment will always be viewed through the prism of football; however, the B1G is clearly looking to highlight other sports with hockey and lacrosse most recently taking the stage. Aside from UConn as a basketball brand, could hockey and lacrosse at UConn spark additional interest from the B1G?
Big Ten Announces Conference Schedule for Inaugural
Season of Men's Ice Hockey
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/050813aaa.html
Big Ten Announces Institution of Men's and Women's Lacrosse and Addition of Johns Hopkins as Men's Lacrosse Sport Affiliate Member
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-lacros/spec-rel/060313aah.html
Gopher lacrosse could soon be a D-I sport
http://goldandgopher.com/2013/06/09/gopher-lacrosse-could-soon-be-a-d-i-sport/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=Hot+Topics .
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I agree with Dooley that hockey is on the verge of breaking out and playing with the big boys. Our game against Quinnipiac last year proved as much, and we do have a heck of a lot of hockey talent in the state.

Also, soccer is extremely strong in both men's and women's teams, the baseball team is doing pretty well (playoffs two of the last three), and we're also good in other Olympic sports like field hockey, etc. From an overall athletic department standpoint, we are really strong...
 
Looking at the Director's cup UConn was 61st last year and 52 so far this year. This is actually pretty respectable and is ahead of quite of a few schools in the major conferences.
 
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WestCoastHusky said:
Please explain why B1G would add any private school other than ND? Delaney specifically said state flagship universities matter. Kansas has a KSU problem. Other than UVA, ND and maybe FSU, I am not sure about other candidates.

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Doesn't FSU have a FL problem? FL is the flagship university in the state of Florida.
 
The prep schools in Ct have played Lacrosse for many years
It was a N/E Indian game.
I had a friend who was a former head highschool football coach that fell in love with the game and became certified to ref lacrosse.
he predicted it would become a popular sport.
I just returned from Ct were I was astonished at the number of public schools now playing. I fear it will be at the expense of baseball.
My nephew from Shelton plays Hockey/ Lacrosse
That would have been heresy a generation ago.
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Don't forget the UConn Polo team
UConn has a bunch of sports to fill the BTN .
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We are a natural for the B1G and with the ease of access and diversity of sites, it will be a favorite destination for B1G fans.
 
pj said:
The other thing about Buffalo is that it is physically and culturally more of a Great Lakes town than an East Coast town. I'm not sure how much sway the State University of New York - Buffalo will have in New York City even if it does rebrand itself as the University of New York.

But SUNY Stony Brook is right outside NYC, and is in the AAU. Why don't we make them our #16?

Stony Brook -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stony_Brook_University 16k undergrad, 8k grad students
Buffalo -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_at_Buffalo,_The_State_University_of_New_York 19k undergrad, 9.5k grad students

Of the four "university centers" in the SUNY system, these are the two biggest -- Albany and Binghamton are about half their size. These are also the two AAU members in the SUNY system.

Stony Book Football is currently FCS, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stony_Brook_Seawolves_football.
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You are just kidding right pj? I mean damn, why not add CCSU? They just expanded their stadium and hve been playing good football lately. Plus, they could share The Rent for home games with UConn if they got in the B1G. If they keep referring to themselves as the Blue Devils, the powers that be in the B1G might think they are getting Duke! I see it now, add Buffalo, Stony Brook, and CCSU. It all makes perfect sense.
 
hthusky74 said:
You are just kidding right pj? I mean damn, why not add CCSU? They just expanded their stadium and hve been playing good football lately. Plus, they could share The Rent for home games with UConn if they got in the B1G. If they keep referring to themselves as the Blue Devils, the powers that be in the B1G might think they are getting Duke! I see it now, add Buffalo, Stony Brook, and CCSU. It all makes perfect sense.
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The premise is that building an AAU research powerhouse is hard, but adding athletics is easy -- it only takes $500 mn. If the prize is $40 mn/yr in B1G revenue, the $500 mn investment would be paid for in 12-15 years. With the money in college sports these days, it's not out of the question that a state as large as New York that lacks a single public university with a major investment in athletics, might decide to go for it at one campus. If they did, it would make sense to reach out to the B1G and say, look, we're willing to make a large investment in athletics. How should we make that investment in order to land in the B1G?

If I'm Jim Delany and hear that question, my answer would be, put the $500 mn into Stony Brook athletics and rebrand it as New York State University.
 
upstater said:
The article was so wrong about flagships. Berkeley is NOT the flagship of the U. Cal. system. It's the best school, but not the flagship. It's not like U. Illinois CU or U. Texas- Austin.

The SUNY system is most similar to the U. Cal. system. UCLA, San Diego, Berkeley etc. These schools are equivalents.
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CAL and Ucla are "equivalent" but CAL is absolutely the flagship.
http://www.berkeley.edu/about/hist/foundations.shtml
 
Dooley said:
I won't pretend to know anything about lacrosse but as far as hockey goes, I think UConn can actually do pretty well. Quinnipiac and Yale have shown a CT school can attract talent and Connecticut is actually a pretty good state for high school hockey players. There is a pretty decent Connecticut representation in the NHL, both past and present. If UConn can get some of this talent to play for them, I think the hockey program has a really good chance at taking off relatively quickly.
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Dooley, let me jump in here. The way Quinnipiac did it is simple, lower admission standards for kids to come in from Canada to throw around the biscuit. It's that simple, but I don't think Susan allows those standards to slip at all for our upgrading hockey program.
 
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Doggie Style said:
Dooley, let me jump in here. The way Quinnipiac did it is simple, lower admission standards for kids to come in from Canada to throw around the biscuit. It's that simple, but I don't think Susan allows those standards to slip at all for our upgrading hockey program.
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Not disputing that QU had more than half of the roster from north of the border but where's the proof they lowered the academic/admission standards? Does UConn do that for the football players from north of the border?
 
pj said:
The premise is that building an AAU research powerhouse is hard, but adding athletics is easy -- it only takes $500 mn. If the prize is $40 mn/yr in B1G revenue, the $500 mn investment would be paid for in 12-15 years. With the money in college sports these days, it's not out of the question that a state as large as New York that lacks a single public university with a major investment in athletics, might decide to go for it at one campus. If they did, it would make sense to reach out to the B1G and say, look, we're willing to make a large investment in athletics. How should we make that investment in order to land in the B1G?

If I'm Jim Delany and hear that question, my answer would be, put the $500 mn into Stony Brook athletics and rebrand it as New York State University.
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It's not that simple. Stony Brook is probably the best candidate to make the leap - but still difficult due to the semi-dysfunctional nature of the SUNY system. They certainly aren't going to give an official flagship designation anytime soon and I'm sure the other 3 university centers (Albany, Binghamton, Buffalo) will raise high-hell if the rebranding insinuated a flagship designation.

The current plan is to give each of the universities some level of autonomy (the reason why most SUNYs have crap endowments is because there used to be a ban on raising funding - Buffalo has a fair amount because it used to be a pretty powerful private school in the early 1900s back when Buffalo was bustling) and remove the "SUNY" moniker from the names to improve the branding - which is why you don't hear SUNY-Stony Brook or SUNY-Buffalo that often nowadays.
 
huskymedic said:
Not disputing that QU had more than half of the roster from north of the border but where's the proof they lowered the academic/admission standards? Does UConn do that for the football players from north of the border?
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I am aware of the situation. As far as Uconn Football goes I have no inside knowledge of that, but isn't that one of Edsall's gripes which led to his departure? I remember him reaching out to Calhoun to see how to get kids that were on the border in terms of qualifications go. He was frustrated that he had no support from the administration on that level, among other things.
 
CAHUSKY said:
CAL and Ucla are "equivalent" but CAL is absolutely the flagship.
http://www.berkeley.edu/about/hist/foundations.shtml
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Being first though is not what makes a flagship. It's totally different. A flagship is U. Illinois CU or U. Mass-Amherst or UNC-Chapel Hill. Cal-Berekeley is the first, the oldest, and the best, but not the central school.

It's the same in the SUNY system. These are very big states, and their university system is split (into 4 centers in SUNY's case and 10 schools in Cal's case).
 
Doggie Style said:
I am aware of the situation.
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Not sure what that means...You have proof that they lowered admission standards @ QU for older Canadian kids or just anecdotal info that someone didn't get in because the spot went to a Canadian with lower SATs/ACTs? Canadian kids make up over 35% of D-1 hockey players in US.

Just an FYI - their two top players are/where American kids (Hartzell/Langouis).

Edit... Not meant to be adversarial.
 
upstater said:
Being first though is not what makes a flagship. It's totally different. A flagship is U. Illinois CU or U. Mass-Amherst or UNC-Chapel Hill. Cal-Berekeley is the first, the oldest, and the best, but not the central school.

It's the same in the SUNY system. These are very big states, and their university system is split (into 4 centers in SUNY's case and 10 schools in Cal's case).
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What are you talking about? The UC system calls Berkeley the flagship - it's noted as a flagship in all publications and it uses the state name as the school branding. It is also the most prestigious of all the UC schools.

The SUNY system is unique in that they tried to split to split the system into 4 equal centers instead of designating a flagship but just drawing comparisons between the SUNY system and UC system because they both have a lot of schools doesn't make it so. SUNY system is a unique beast onto itself - making comparisons to other state systems is a bad way to start.
 
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woomba said:
What are you talking about? The UC system calls Berkeley the flagship - it's noted as a flagship in all publications and it uses the state name as the school branding. It is also the most prestigious of all the UC schools.

The SUNY system is unique in that they tried to split to split the system into 4 equal centers instead of designating a flagship but just drawing comparisons between the SUNY system and UC system because they both have a lot of schools doesn't make it so. SUNY system is a unique beast onto itself - making comparisons to other state systems is a bad way to start.
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...because SUNY was designed after the California system which predates it by 15 years. That's when the other California schools came on board. Every Cal school calls itself U. Cal. because it is U. Cal. The schools are known as Cal-SD, Cal-Davis, Cal-Irvine, Cal-SB, etc. Only UCLA changes up. I know Cal-Berkeley calls itself the flagship, but U. Cal. is run by a Chancellor who is the most powerful figure in the system. He/she makes the decisions over the Cal-Berkeley Prez. and has authority over him. This is not all that common, and NY is one of the states that patterned its system exactly after Cal. The two systems are structurally exactly alike. The comparison is explicit in the very reorganization of SUNY in the 1960s.
 
upstater said:
...because SUNY was designed after the California system which predates it by 15 years. That's when the other California schools came on board. Every Cal school calls itself U. Cal. because it is U. Cal. The schools are known as Cal-SD, Cal-Davis, Cal-Irvine, Cal-SB, etc. Only UCLA changes up. I know Cal-Berkeley calls itself the flagship, but U. Cal. is run by a Chancellor who is the most powerful figure in the system. He/she makes the decisions over the Cal-Berkeley Prez. and has authority over him. This is not all that common, and NY is one of the states that patterned its system exactly after Cal. The two systems are structurally exactly alike. The comparison is explicit in the very reorganization of SUNY in the 1960s.
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The way the system is setup and administered has nothing to do with flagships. Why are you trying to compare the SUNY system to UC anyway? What point are you trying to make?
 
Doggie Style said:
Dooley, let me jump in here. The way Quinnipiac did it is simple, lower admission standards for kids to come in from Canada to throw around the biscuit. It's that simple, but I don't think Susan allows those standards to slip at all for our upgrading hockey program.
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Thanks Doggie, I did not know that about QU. Does Yale do that too? I can't imagine they do but I guess you never know. I probably shouldn't pretend to know anything about college hockey either! I guess starting and closing with the "Connecticut has had a pretty good representation in the NHL, past and present" argument should have sufficed!
 
NEforceUConn said:
The B1G can get NYC for all intensive purposes with UConn alone. It does not need Cuse. If UConn gets a B1G invite, and i think the BIG could go to 15 without the concerns that Frank the Tank has, there's a strong probability that Cuse will wither on vine that's called the ACC, ala BCU.
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I don't think Syracuse basketball ever withers. I do think that UConn and Rutgers in the B1G could really end up hurting Syracuse and BC football even more. But the ACC is, and will continue to be (barring the departure of UNC and Duke) a really really really good basketball conference.
 
woomba said:
The way the system is setup and administered has nothing to do with flagships. Why are you trying to compare the SUNY system to UC anyway? What point are you trying to make?
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I have no idea what your first sentence means. Second, I wrote because you said the SUNY system is singular. It's not. Simple as that.
 
Where did I say the SUNY system is singular? We've been talking about Flagship universities. From what you're written so far you seem to define a flagship in terms of administration...so in your eyes UCF and USF is much a flagship as University of Florida?
 
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