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[CL82]

The ACC has had two decades for assertive action that would make all the sense in the world for them and they've done nothing but continue to weaken their brand.

They've taken a lot of assertive steps. The raid of the big east ended up killing it as a football league. Ironically, it also ended up killing those teams, which in turn diluted the ACC brand. Their West Coast plus SMU additions were assertive, dumb, but assertive.

I agree, though, that I expect them to be passive regarding the big 12 possibly adding us.

 

[noeynox]

Largely agree, but, the ACC could pull off a coup of sorts by offering us a full share, including football, right now. We don't have to worry about Fox looking to protect its big east TV deal. As long as ESPN is willing to write the check, they could make this happen.

Then we are faced with the choice of a seven year partial phase in deal with the big 12 or a full deal with the ACC. At that point, I think we'd jump on the ACC deal, notwithstanding the risk of membership changes in 2027 if ESPN doesn't renew their deal.

The ACC, which currently is being written off for dead comes off looking like a boss by stealing a big 12 target from it at the 11th hour. I'm not saying it'll actually happen, but, it's not without some logic to it.

That ain't happening. The ACC at best would give us the Cal/Stanford 10 mollion deal and add the rest of our pro rata share to appease FSU/Clemson.

 

[CL82]

That ain't happening. The ACC at best would give us the Cal/Stanford 10 mollion deal and add the rest of our pro rata share to appease FSU/Clemson.

I agree it's not happening, I just see some logic to it.

At this point, I doubt the ACC is doing anything to appease FSU and Clemson. Those boys have burned a lot of bridges.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

They've taken a lot of assertive steps. The raid of the big east ended up killing it as a football league. Ironically, it also ended up killing those teams, which in turn diluted the ACC brand. Their West Coast plus SMU additions were assertive, dumb, but assertive.

I agree, though, that I expect them to be passive regarding the big 12 possibly adding us.

ACC is run by a bunch of arrogant es that simply don't see the big picture. The fact that they added SMU, Cal, and Stanford before UConn tells you all you need to know about them. Once we are in the B12, you will see Yormark running circles around them with everything.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I think that 20 years ago he actually knew someone in the WVU athletic department that fed him information on occasion. He must be in his 40's or 50's now, and whoever he knew moved on a long time ago.

 

[Waquoit]

Well that's pretty cryptic.

More promising then cryptic, this sounds like a guy ready to eat his words.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

ACC is run by a bunch of arrogant es that simply don't see the big picture. The fact that they added SMU, Cal, and Stanford before UConn tells you all you need to know about them. Once we are in the B12, you will see Yormark running circles around them with everything.

One of the problems in creating all of these different revenue tiers is that the schools getting less are incentivized to hold up any league decision in order to renegotiate their deals. The net result can be organizational paralysis.

 

[Travelman6]

Well that's pretty cryptic.

What?

 

[bendm]

just for funsies. if ACC implodes and the BIG12 is able to add FSU/Miami/Clemson/UNC which are easily the 4 most desirable schools from a football/brand prospective:

ACC East
1) UConn 2) Cuse 3) BC 4) VT 5) UVA

ACC South
1) NC St 2) Duke 3) Wake 4) GT 5) USF

ACC Central:
1) Pitt 2) Lville 3) Memphis 4) Tulane 5) SMU

ACC West:
1) Wazzu 2) OR St 3) Cal 4) Stanford 5) SDSU

20 schools plus Notre Dame as a non-football member w/ a scheduling agreement. I'd take it as a worst case scenario.

 

[How Sway?!]

ACC is run by a bunch of arrogant es that simply don't see the big picture. The fact that they added SMU, Cal, and Stanford before UConn tells you all you need to know about them. Once we are in the B12, you will see Yormark running circles around them with everything.

From the looks of things, the B12 is also ran by a bunch of arrogant fools who can't see the big picture Yormak is pitching them.

 

[bendm]

From the looks of things, the B12 is also ran by a bunch of arrogant fools who can't see the big picture Yormak is pitching them.

it's really infuriating. he single handedly saved the conference from oblivion but now the big12 admins are right back up on their high horses being stubborn and acting like they know better than him. Yormark should be able to do whatever the hell he wants at least until the NEXT tv deal expires in 2040 or thereabouts.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

ACC is run by a bunch of arrogant es that simply don't see the big picture. The fact that they added SMU, Cal, and Stanford before UConn tells you all you need to know about them. Once we are in the B12, you will see Yormark running circles around them with everything.

There was a major shakeup at the top of ESPN very recently (announced over this past weekend). The new guy in charge is a Holy Cross (undergrad)/UMass (grad school) alum. I doubt it does much for us but a substantial part of the old guard that helped keep us out is gone.

 

[UC1995]

I think Yourmak's end game is to get UConn first so it will be easier to create his Northwest Pod when they go to 24 teams when the ACC implodes. A group that includes UConn, Syracuse, West Virginia, Louisville, Duke, and Cincy would be insane. It would cut costs on travel for football (same 5 schools together) and take 1 or 2 from each other pod. No OCC like the B1G and SEC further shutting out the other teams.

The only decision is to move now with Big 12. If some fans can't see this then they have blinders on to what is coming.

 

[Forte]

I can not believe we are still talking ACC over 20 years later. The ACC will only take us when it is the ACC in name only. There is no other scenario which the ACC will take us ... ever... SMU proves that.

 

[Waquoit]

There was a major shakeup at the top of ESPN very recently (announced over this past weekend). The new guy in charge is a Holy Cross (undergrad)/UMass (grad school) alum. I doubt it does much for us but a substantial part of the old guard that helped keep us out is gone.

Ehh, it's just business. That why ESPN screwed us in the past and that's why they're in our corner now.

 

[superjohn]

it's really infuriating. he single handedly saved the conference from oblivion but now the big12 admins are right back up on their high horses being stubborn and acting like they know better than him. Yormark should be able to do whatever the hell he wants at least until the NEXT tv deal expires in 2040 or thereabouts.

Yep, it's crazy.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I think Yourmak's end game is to get UConn first so it will be easier to create his Northwest Pod when they go to 24 teams when the ACC implodes. A group that includes UConn, Syracuse, West Virginia, Louisville, Duke, and Cincy would be insane. It would cut costs on travel for football (same 5 schools together) and take 1 or 2 from each other pod. No OCC like the B1G and SEC further shutting out the other teams.

The only decision is to move now with Big 12. If some fans can't see this then they have blinders on to what is coming.

If there is any chance that the ACC is coming apart, then the Big 12 is not adding UConn.

 

[UC1995]

If there is any chance that the ACC is coming apart, then the Big 12 is not adding UConn.

I am not sure why you can't see it but it's already happening. Yourmak wants UConn, and in the end, UConn will be part of that move whether it is now or in 3 years.

If FSU (and Clemson) get their wish and get out, then the ACC contract is going to end.

Florida State, ACC fight: ESPN have option to end deal in 2027, document shows

Why do you think that piece has finally been shared about the ACC media contract for the first time by major news outlets? Everyone that is not playing 2 or 3 steps ahead will be left in the dust heap.

 

[uconnric]

If there is any chance that the ACC is coming apart, then the Big 12 is not adding UConn.

I'm sure Yormark is aware of the conference landscape and the potential of the ACC blowing up. That's not exactly a secret.

 

[bendm]

If there is any chance that the ACC is coming apart, then the Big 12 is not adding UConn.

the key word in the sentence you quoted is "FIRST" as in: "I think Yourmak's end game is to get UConn first so it will be easier to create his Northwest Pod when they go to 24 teams when the ACC implodes."

we would accept an invite and sign a contract now for our phased entry in 2026 and 2031 so it doesnt matter when the ACC inevitably implodes. we have a seat when the music stops.

 

[CL82]

I'm sure Yormark is aware of the conference landscape and the potential of the ACC blowing up. That's not exactly a secret.

In a lot of ways, taking Connecticut makes strategic sense for the big 12. It takes away a tool from the ACC to rebuild after the major programs leave and it may make the big 12 a more attractive destination for East Coast teams.

 

[BlueHen]

In a lot of ways, taking Connecticut makes strategic sense for the big 12. It takes away a tool from the ACC to rebuild after the major programs leave and it may make the big 12 a more attractive destination for East Coast teams.

The power conferences have been cannibalizing themselves for decades.
It was the BCS6
Then the Power 5
Now it's the Power 4

The ACC and the Big12 are battling for the #3 spot. For reasons that you mentioned, adding UConn can definitely help the Big 12.

The ACC is in a tough spot right now, they can't really add anyone when two of their biggest football schools want out. If they get out early, the ACC will clearly be the #4 power conference, probably far back from #3. If they can't get out early, it will be a toxic situation for at least a decade.

 

[Forte]

In a lot of ways, taking Connecticut makes strategic sense for the big 12. It takes away a tool from the ACC to rebuild after the major programs leave and it may make the big 12 a more attractive destination for East Coast teams.

I think Memphis is a better fit for the Big 12 in the eyes of Presidents regionally, culturally, football-wise, and academically, and they have solid bball. I would not be surprised if they ultimately leapfrog us after this dog and pony show.

 

[superjohn]

I think Memphis is a better fit for the Big 12 in the eyes of Presidents regionally, culturally, football-wise, and academically, and they have solid bball. I would not be surprised if they ultimately leapfrog us after this dog and pony show.

If you can get a horrible academic commuter school in the most dangerous city in the country who has never won anything and nobody else wants you have to strike while the iron is hot and get them.

 

[UConnJim]

If there is any chance that the ACC is coming apart, then the Big 12 is not adding UConn.

What if only 4 schools from the ACC get P2 invites? Then there are still 13 schools plus Notre Dame in the ACC and you can backfill. Clearly weaker, but they survive if they want. But, what if the Big 12 has UConn already, would that attract say 3 schools from the ACC to defect as they would be afraid that another ACC school would take their spot in the Big 12?