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[Charley Horse]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
Texas, Texas Tech & TCU will not vote for expansion & that's not a new development.

Boomer17 ‏@Boomer145 49
m49 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV Exactly. Sad part is the TCU's and TTU's of the world are blindly following Texas to their own detriment. TCU already saw it.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 14h14 hours ago
From @Enquirer, belief is Texas is getting Texas Tech and TCU to block expansion. Need 8 Big 12 members to approve

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 3h3 hours ago
ICYMI: From @Enquirer, belief is Texas is getting Texas Tech and TCU to block expansion. 7 Big 12 schools support it, but need 8 to approve.

Dooley‏@DooleyMcStitch
@frankthetank111 @Enquirer Good ol' Texas politics at play. TT and TCU should be worried if the B12 disbands. Need to attach to UT's hip.

Yesterday, the Cincinnati Enquirer included that little gem in an article and today it has legs.

Today it's in tweets and on message boards everywhere.

It was unsupported by any quotes or facts when it was first thrown against the wall, but it stuck. And if it gets repeated enough times it will be accepted as the gospel truth.

I'm against Cincinnati as an expansion candidate now. They're not even in the conference and their local media is already stirring the pot with unsubstantiated suppositions.

They're like a poor man's Nebraska. I hope we take UConn and anybody but Cincy.

 

[SubbaBub]

The Civil ConFLiCT doesn't seem so stupid now does it ?

 

[jostar1]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 40m40 minutes ago

Greg Flugaur Retweeted Jeff Jacobs

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Yep. In other words....B12 need to stop with their "RC COLA" $2.50 Advertising/Marketing Buget/Plan.

It's time.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Jacobs's tweet about UConn knowing the line between making their case to the B12 and public begging is a not-so-veiled shot from UConn at Ono's Twitter account. Love it.

 

[businesslawyer]

What can say. I'm scared sheetless, the Big 12, will expand and we will get another "winners win, we are winning don't you worry about a thing email."

We may get that email. But if we do there is no reason to think it will be for any reason other than the Big XII believes that there are candidates that help the interests of its members more than we do. All we can do is keep buying tickets, keep going to road games and keep trying to get friends to buy tickets and turn on the games.

 

[noeynox]

We may get that email. But if we do there is no reason to think it will be for any reason other than the Big XII believes that there are candidates that help the interests of its members more than we do. All we can do is keep buying tickets, keep going to road games and keep trying to get friends to buy tickets and turn on the games.

All true. From a group of 8, I'm the only one getting 2 tickets still. Obviously it's not all due to where CR has left us, but there is very little juice left in the tank. Because of basketball, people got amped up for football games against Pitt and Casey.

I worry that, one of these times, there isn't going to be a "we'll get em tomorrow " moment.

Every time I say I'm done worrying about this,sheet, I get my hopes up.

 

[Sea Goat]

Jacobs's tweet about UConn knowing the line between making their case to the B12 and public begging is a not-so-veiled shot from UConn at Ono's Twitter account. Love it.

The trick to being a successful supplicant is to not appear like a supplicant.

 

[businesslawyer]

So if the XII wants us, the question becomes can the ACC allow the XII to have its own network and flagship universities for states from which folks commute into New York and DC in a world in which there are five power conferences and life would be easier with four? The Ten can allow it but do they want to allow it?

I want to keep worrying about our distance from the Big XII, but the fact is that it's only with distance that you will get on TV sets in the northeast.

 

[NYUConn]

So if the XII wants us, the question becomes can the ACC allow the XII to have its own network and flagship universities for states from which folks commute into New York and DC in a world in which there are five power conferences and life would be easier with four? The Ten can allow it but do they want to allow it?

I want to keep worrying about our distance from the Big XII, but the fact is that it's only with distance that you will get on TV sets in the northeast.

I think that's basically what Jacobs and his "sources" are implying with his Tweets earlier:

 

[businesslawyer]

Neither the ACC nor the Big Ten needs us to have a footprint in metro New York. But if neither of them takes us, they risk sharing metro NY 3 ways (and 4 ways in sports other than football).

If the ACC lets us go to the Big XII, they're really idiotic. If they're not, how close to UConn being invited (assuming our acceptance will be immediate) can they wait?

 

[NYUConn]

Neither the ACC nor the Big Ten needs us to have a footprint in metro New York. But if neither of them takes us, they risk sharing metro NY 3 ways (and 4 ways in sports other than football).

If the ACC lets us go to the Big XII, they're really idiotic. If they're not, how close to UConn being invited (assuming our acceptance will be immediate) can they wait?

The third scenario is that UConn simply does not have the votes to get into the ACC still.

When you consider that BC/SU/Pitt are still probably blocking us out of competitive fears and Clemson and FSU have landing spots in the event the ACC never gets its network and they want to bolt, I don't know that the votes are there for us event if ACC leadership makes the case that they can't afford to invite another competitor into NYC/Northeast.

 

[businesslawyer]

The third scenario is that UConn simply does not have the votes to get into the ACC still.

When you consider that BC/SU/Pitt are still probably blocking us out of competitive fears and Clemson and FSU have landing spots in the event the ACC never gets its network and they want to bolt, I don't know that the votes are there for us event if ACC leadership makes the case that they can't afford to invite another competitor into NYC/Northeast.

Each of Syracuse and Pitt want what is in their own best selfish interests. It's hard to believe that it is in their selfish interest to have UConn as a P5 school and the Big XII entrenched in the Northeast if they can keep the XII out by having us in the ACC and not the XII.

I understand why Pitt and Syracuse want us in G5, but if they can't have that you haven't explained how they benefit from having us in the XII instead of the ACC.

 

[NYUConn]

Each of Syracuse and Pitt want what is in their own best selfish interests. It's hard to believe that it is in their selfish interest to have UConn as a P5 school and the Big XII entrenched in the Northeast if they can keep the XII out by having us in the ACC and not the XII.

I understand why Pitt and Syracuse want us in G5, but if they can't have that you haven't explained how they benefit from having us in the XII instead of the ACC.

Fair point.

But I think the third option here - being that UConn doesn't have the votes for an ACC invite right now - is just as feasible of an explanation as UConn not being a realistic candidate for the Big XII when considering why the ACC isn't calling.

 

[businesslawyer]

Fair point.

But I think the third option here - being that UConn doesn't have the votes for an ACC invite right now - is just as feasible of an explanation as UConn not being a realistic candidate for the Big XII when considering why the ACC isn't calling.

I don't understand your point. We know UConn won't get in to the ACC right now absent a XII invite. We know that because we haven't announced that the ACC invited us.

My question is at such time as we are going to be P5, what is in it for Syracuse or Pitt to keep us out of the ACC. (There probably is something in it for BC but that's just one voice and not one anyone cares about.)

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I don't understand your point. We know UConn won't get in to the ACC right now absent a XII invite. We know that because we haven't announced that the ACC invited us.

My question is at such time as we are going to be P5, what is in it for Syracuse or Pitt to keep us out of the ACC. (There probably is something in it for BC but that's just one voice and not one anyone cares about.)

Syracuse and BCU should want us either in the AAC or the ACC. The last thing they should want is UConn in a different major conference, because it makes both of them less valuable in future realignment.

 

[NYUConn]

I don't understand your point. We know UConn won't get in to the ACC right now absent a XII invite. We know that because we haven't announced that the ACC invited us.

My question is at such time as we are going to be P5, what is in it for Syracuse or Pitt to keep us out of the ACC. (There probably is something in it for BC but that's just one voice and not one anyone cares about.)

My point is that even if Cuse and Pitt are now suddenly Pro-UConn (which I concede to your point they likely would be), the possibility exists that UConn still doesn't have the votes to get into the ACC even if the threat of the Big 12 entering the northeast is staring them directly in the face.

So the idea that if UConn is really about to become P5, the ACC would come calling is not necessarily true if we don't have the votes to get that ACC invite. A Big XII invite pending or in hand doesn't necessarily trigger a call from the ACC if they don't have the votes to extend us an invite (which I think is entirely possible).

There are tons of factions now in the ACC and assuming for the moment that it takes 12 ACC schools to vote for admission (80%) it's not not inconceivable to believe that there are 4 schools who still don't want us enough to shoot the entire conference in the foot.

I mean all it would take to keep UConn from getting an ACC invite - even with a Big 12 one in hand - is BC and three of the football powers (FSU, Clemson and Georgia Tech) to say no. Totally plausible.

 

[billybud]

The same dynamics working for the UConn invite for the Big 12 (hopefully a cable box win for the Big 12) may not be as operative for the ACC.

Especially since it would have to be a two team addition with no promise of a network. And I really don't believe that the Big 12 is in much better shape for a network...with the LHN...and Sooner Sports both having to be bought back and a lot of flyover footprint.

The battle over UConn is between the B1G and the Big 12...IMHO

 

[AZHuskiePop]

If the ACC thought we were going to another P5 they would be required to grap us immediately. Especially if that other conference already had a significant NY presence.
Either were not in anyone's P5 plans or at the minimum we're a long shot. At least by the accessment of the ACC movers and shakers.
I don't think the ACC is stupid.

 

[NYUConn]

If the ACC thought we were going to another P5 they would be required to grap us immediately. Especially if that other conference already had a significant NY presence.
Either were not in anyone's P5 plans or at the minimum we're a long shot. At least by the accessment of the ACC movers and shakers.
I don't think the ACC is stupid.

"Required"

Seriously? Of all the kind of unsubstantiated claims you can make, you're going with that?

Also, who says the ACC isn't that stupid? This is a conference that:

• Let the B1G walk right into their backyards in DC and NYC and set up shop.
• Invited an incredibly corrupt athletic program in a worthless DMA because they strung together a couple of good football seasons in a row.
• Invited a small, catholic school with a limited history of athletic success who doesn't even own their own City let alone their own region to join Miami and V-Tech at a time when numerous other programs were available.
• Watched how badly Notre Dame used and abused the Big East, then decided that they needed to make an identical deal with them.
• Has failed to get a TV Network deal done for years, despite being the first movers in CR.

If you asked me, the ACC is most definitely THAT stupid.

 

[huskymedic]

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[MilliniumPrince]

If the ACC thought we were going to another P5 they would be required to grap us immediately. Especially if that other conference already had a significant NY presence.
Either were not in anyone's P5 plans or at the minimum we're a long shot. At least by the accessment of the ACC movers and shakers.
I don't think the ACC is stupid.

They are very smart either. Fact is they can wait until the very last moment if they this BIG 12 wants us. They can call the morning of the scheduled announcement press conference and we would have to listen.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
A reliable source has just told me the data from Navigate Research, contrary to popular opinion, does not support Big 12 expansion.

Storrs South ‏@UConn6thBorough 5h5 hours ago
@theDudeofWV is this without a network?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 5h5 hours ago
@UConn6thBorough Yes. Expansion without a network virtually offers no benefit.

Storrs South ‏@UConn6thBorough 4h4 hours agoManhattan, NY
@theDudeofWV ok just making sure and also makes sense (same pot, more mouths to feed)

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 4h4 hours ago
@UConn6thBorough How do you take 12 schools - with 3 of them geographically isolated & fairly divide into 2 divisions?

Storrs South ‏@UConn6thBorough 4h4 hours agoManhattan, NY
@theDudeofWV an approximate east and west with OU and UT separated

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 6h6 hours ago
The Big 12 will not vote to expand in May. The preeminent topic is still a network. No consensus on G5 candidates = not enough votes.

Mike Ross ‏@Mike_ohio26 2h2 hours ago
@theDudeofWV you can't have a viable network without expansion.....

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
@Mike_ohio26 Yes. 100% accurate. 10 members not enough inventory. Nor is 12 if you look at the B1G & SEC.

Mike Ross ‏@Mike_ohio26 2h2 hours ago
@theDudeofWV so if a network is the "preeminent" obviously that would include expansion in the discussion....

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 40m40 minutes ago
Thinking out loud: What if the U of Houston is the best chance for the long term viability of the B12? Don't react emotionally. Think...

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 38m38 minutes ago
Maybe the best chance to have a network & expand would be for the Texas State govt to force UT to play nice. That means UH in the Big 12.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 38m38 minutes ago
Don't react emotionally. Think how best to change UT's hard no to a yes



Dennis DoddVerified account‏@dennisdoddcbs
Since March, B12 ADs have seen scheduling models for future that include 8 and 9 conf games and a 16 team league.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 19m19 minutes ago
Frank the Tank Retweeted Dennis Dodd

Sooooo... Big 12 supposedly doesn't like any 2 schools for expansion, but then they'll just invite everyone?

an Wolken ‏@DanWolken 19m19 minutes ago
University of Memphis lobbies for possible Big 12 expansion spot http://usat.ly/26Qf1ab via @usatoday

Tim Brando ‏@TimBrando 17m17 minutes ago
@DanWolken @USATODAY Very foolish IMO. The American Athletic Conference has upside,and more $ than others outside the so called Autonomous 5

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken 16m16 minutes ago
@TimBrando Even though it’s clearly been the best of the Group of Five, school in the American would kill to go to the Big 12 right now.

Tim BrandoVerified account‏@TimBrando
.@DanWolken Schools in the AAC had better understand how good they've got it. West Virginia was a reach, and Memphis, UCONN, Cinn. are too.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 10m10 minutes ago
Frank the Tank Retweeted Tim Brando

I have no allegiance with any AAC team, but absolutely no one can even think about turning down a Big 12 invite.

 

[Kevin Caliendo]

This is so dumb, I'm putting it in non-key


Brando also said something about how the AAC team should understand how good they have it and all are a reach for the B12.

 

[djct1999]

Or the schools in the acc that actually matter, you know the ones not named Syracuse, Pitt, and BC, are resigned to the ultimate fate of the least powerful P5,have exit strategies, and are simply waiting the gor out.

 

[billybud]

There is a lot of demand right now for viewable football match ups (80% of the media revenue).

There is a tension between "markets" for a channel and football matchups that draw viewers. A Rutgers type market add has to balance the watering down of a football division. Folks tend to watch the ranked teams that sit at the top half of a conference.

And if SOS comes to play in a playoff.....Michigan's FPI based 2016 preseason SOS is ranked #65...MIchigan State #54...OSU # 31

Competing with USC's #1, FSU's #3, Bama's #5, and Texas' #15.

The SEC, the Pac in good years, and the Big 12, if Texas, Oklahoma, and Baylor-TCU are balling, are competition.