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brasssbonanzaa said:
And BYU has a national following, brings in lots of potential cable boxes across the country, good academics, and competitively is good but not world-beaters. Which brings me back to my initial question, why were they left on the table in favor of a less-successful, lower-rated academic school that is a flagship, but one that outside of Colorado has very little following? I'm only posing it from the perspective of if you're the B12 doing due diligence, these are the things you have to consider. If those within the B12 see BYU as a strong addition - competitive football team, national brand name, good academics - the question must be asked why have they not been snatched up for so long? We know why UConn is on the table - the football team has the perception of being terrible. What's going on behind the scenes at BYU that has turned others off?
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Isn't it pretty well-known that BYU is a pain in the ass to deal with? Does the reason need to be more than that?

Like, good for BYU that they're a religious institution and they've found a way to be good at sports too. But usually when you join a conference that will benefit your institution, you have to make concessions. With BYU it's the other way around, the conference has to make concessions to suit them.
 
noeynox said:
That is not why uconn is on the table. In 2012, when Ville was picked we were less than 3 years removed from a BCS bid. When Pitt and Cuse went less than 2 years removed. Uconn is,still here in large part because they were actively looking to keep the league together as others were looking to get out.
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Actually, it was less than 2 for Louisville, and it was coming off the BCS bid when Cuse and Pitt got picked.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
And BYU has a national following, brings in lots of potential cable boxes across the country, good academics, and competitively is good but not world-beaters. Which brings me back to my initial question, why were they left on the table in favor of a less-successful, lower-rated academic school that is a flagship, but one that outside of Colorado has very little following? I'm only posing it from the perspective of if you're the B12 doing due diligence, these are the things you have to consider. If those within the B12 see BYU as a strong addition - competitive football team, national brand name, good academics - the question must be asked why have they not been snatched up for so long? We know why UConn is on the table - the football team has the perception of being terrible. What's going on behind the scenes at BYU that has turned others off?
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The not playing on Sundays thing is a big deal, culturally Utah and Texas aren't as close as everyone seems to believe... especially considering the strong evangelical presences in Texas politics... We've also heard from multiple sources that the B12 doesn't wan't to expand to the west. Not to mention it's in the wrong time zone. Plus BYU isn't as close as everyone seems to think and while it's not as far away as Connecticut is... it's still 1200 miles away from Austin, TX and 1100 miles from Norman, OK. We bemoan Rutger's population and proximity to NYC, but BYU may very well be bemoaning our time zone. If you're talking about going to the PAC-12? If there's a cultural difference between Baylor and BYU... think about the huge gulf between Berkeley and Provo.... Then there's BYU network issue... there's a lot working against BYU.
 
IMind said:
The not playing on Sundays thing is a big deal, culturally Utah and Texas aren't as close as everyone seems to believe... especially considering the strong evangelical presences in Texas politics... We've also heard from multiple sources that the B12 doesn't wan't to expand to the west. Not to mention it's in the wrong time zone. Plus BYU isn't as close as everyone seems to think and while it's not as far away as Connecticut is... it's still 1200 miles away from Austin, TX and 1100 miles from Norman, OK. We bemoan Rutger's population and proximity to NYC, but BYU may very well be bemoaning our time zone. If you're talking about going to the PAC-12? If there's a cultural difference between Baylor and BYU... think about the huge gulf between Berkeley and Provo.... Then there's BYU network issue... there's a lot working against BYU.
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Lets hope its too much to overcome
 
Good grief people. What makes anyone think that the BigXII wants mountain time zone content in a sparsely populated region...or rather that Fox Sports wants that. The overwhelming majority of people in the country live in the eastern and central time zones. Most of the rest of the people are Pac10 fans. It's pretty unlikely that BYU, which has the no Sunday rule, has it's own incompatible network and which is in the wrong time zone, is getting a Big XII invite. That's why they are independent for football...they have too much baggage even for the MWC.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Good grief people. What makes anyone think that the BigXII wants mountain time zone content in a sparsely populated region...or rather that Fox Sports wants that. The overwhelming majority of people in the country live in the eastern and central time zones. Most of the rest of the people are Pac10 fans. It's pretty unlikely that BYU, which has the no Sunday rule, has it's own incompatible network and which is in the wrong time zone, is getting a Big XII invite. That's why they are independent for football...they have too much baggage even for the MWC.
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They left the MWC because the quality of competition dropped.
 
noeynox said:
That is not why uconn is on the table. In 2012, when Ville was picked we were less than 3 years removed from a BCS bid. When Pitt and Cuse went less than 2 years removed. Uconn is,still here in large part because they were actively looking to keep the league together as others were looking to get out.
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This is not why we're on the table. It's because the perception of our football program, even after the BCS game (which, right or wrong, ended up hurting our public perception don't forget), is that it's young, not good, and our attendance is poor. Again, whether those things are true isn't relevant. The ACC thought they were, they took UL. It's not because we were trying to keep the Big East together, that's complete fiction.
 
CallMeBruce said:
They left the MWC because the quality of competition dropped.
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No, they left the MWC because they were convinced they could build a brand for themselves as the Notre Dame of the west and make more money in the process. They were getting $2 million per year through the MWC TV deal, under their current agreement with ESPN they make 800K-1.2 million per game. No brainer.
 
NYUConn said:
No, they left the MWC because they were convinced they could build a brand for themselves as the Notre Dame of the west and make more money in the process. They were getting $2 million per year through the MWC TV deal, under their current agreement with ESPN they make 800K-1.2 million per game. No brainer.
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Fine, that too. It certainly wasn't because the MWC couldn't deal with their "baggage."
 
I know this isn't the NHL, but the years of following its conference/division alignment issues; time zones really do matter and TV execs want primetime content for maximizing advertising $ and viewership.
 
If this all comes to a head (still skeptical b/c of CR rule #1) Its simple really, should it come down to either UConn or BYU. If the B12 wants to be spread across 3 time zones, not get a foot into the NYC market, rearrange the B12 BB tournament to avoid playing Sundsys, and add a historically good football program with a great following and a decent BB program then BYU > UConn. If they want to get into the worlds largest media market, and nearly double the population whose cable boxes would pick up a B12N, while adding a balanced and highly successful athletic department whose football is sub par of late, and historically average with a couple good years sprinkled in then UConn.> BYU. It would really come down to what the conference values most.
 
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IMind said:
The not playing on Sundays thing is a big deal, culturally Utah and Texas aren't as close as everyone seems to believe... especially considering the strong evangelical presences in Texas politics... We've also heard from multiple sources that the B12 doesn't wan't to expand to the west. Not to mention it's in the wrong time zone. Plus BYU isn't as close as everyone seems to think and while it's not as far away as Connecticut is... it's still 1200 miles away from Austin, TX and 1100 miles from Norman, OK. We bemoan Rutger's population and proximity to NYC, but BYU may very well be bemoaning our time zone. If you're talking about going to the PAC-12? If there's a cultural difference between Baylor and BYU... think about the huge gulf between Berkeley and Provo.... Then there's BYU network issue... there's a lot working against BYU.
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For all the reasons you stated and because adding Utah got the PAC 12 what it wanted (inter mtn infill) w/o the headaches. The P12 just plain didn't need what BYU brings. The B12 or any other lesser conference, on the other hand, can't be as choosy.

For the B12, I think BYU brings needed mass and that is something I don't care to admit. BYU is a better school (more following, better profile) than TT, OKST, KST and IA ST.
 
CoastAtlantic said:
MH ver3‏@MH ver3
The $50m + per school per year number I mentioned for next B10 contract doesn't include bowls or playoff $. Just wanted to clarify.

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
B12 knows it is falling behind sec and B10 and knows a B12N is the only way to close that gap.

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
Expansion won't be about the best football, best recruiting grounds, or even proximity. It will be about TV market first then those things.

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
ACC is almost assuredly going to have defections. Doubling TV money is only part of it. #CIC

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
B12 stands to make a lot off of 2 AAC additions. If ACC implodes B12 stands to make a whole lot.could come very close to sec B10 $$

DocBunyan@DocBunyan
@MH ver3 not really, bc sec and b1g will cannibalize acc and take their highest properties, increasing their value even more.

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
@DocBunyan schools like FSU Miami and Clemson will not be taken by sec/B10 so B12 will have great options.

Drew@HoustonsOwnDrew
@MH ver3 then why not houston?

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
@HoustonsOwnDrew B12 has Texas markets already.

Drew@HoustonsOwnDrew
@MH ver3 @HoustonsOwnDrew but it's losing the Houston one fast!!!!

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
@HoustonsOwnDrew carriage fees are normally statewide and LHN has Houston already. LHN will become B12N.

Drew@HoustonsOwnDrew
@MH ver3 but people don't watch it

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
@HoustonsOwnDrew doesn't matter. People don't watch BTN either but still pay for it on their cable bill

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
Just heard the AAC has reached out to BYU, Boise St, SDSU, and Colorado St in regards to joining after defections of UC/Uconn. #dejavu

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
AAC offering a $5m signing bonus per school to join if all 4 come together

Brian A@BriUConn
@MH ver3 your making that up. signing bonus???

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
@BriUConn I wish. This comes straight from my old BigEast contact whose info is always spot-on. these schools will keep TV deal intact.

Brian A@BriUConn
@MH ver3 approaching those 4 schools would be a smart move and could believe it

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
@BriUConn I have no idea where the $$ will come from unless the AAC has a rainy day fund. Buyout $ from defectors maybe??

TheFrogCast@TheFrogCastTCU
@MH ver3 real question is who moves first to start ACC domino? Thoughts welcomed

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
@TheFrogCastTCU wouldn't be suprised if B12 snags a couple first if it becomes certain others are leaving.

TheFrogCast@TheFrogCastTCU
@MH ver3 I think this plan might work. I've always wondered who wanted to be on the hook first. Sounds like a Delaney move to me.

TheFrogCast@TheFrogCastTCU
@MH ver3 but Louisville Clemson Miami and FSU sound good to me

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
@TheFrogCastTCU wouldn't be suprised if B12 snags a couple first if it becomes certain others are leaving.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 Feb 15
UC president tells AD to "get ready" in regards to changing conference affiliations.

Timothy Hinds ‏@Timhinds4 1h1 hour ago
@MH ver3 your big east source tel you that? JW

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
@Timhinds4 he's an AAC source now but her was a BigEast source a few years back.

Timothy Hinds ‏@Timhinds4 1h1 hour ago
@MH ver3 hmm. I wonder how they heard this.. If you hear that ACC is losing schools than why are big 12 jumping at 2 AAC schools?

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
@Timhinds4 B12 needs schools NOW for the network to get off the ground-content and markets. ACC schools come later

Timothy Hinds ‏@Timhinds4 54m54 minutes ago
@MH ver3 gotcha!


ME: Ha! Just read Daniel Figurelli daring MH ver3 to agree to a wager. :D
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When does the Big East checks run out? Is that a windfall for USF? Or is that maybe where the money is coming from?
 
IMind said:
The not playing on Sundays thing is a big deal, culturally Utah and Texas aren't as close as everyone seems to believe... especially considering the strong evangelical presences in Texas politics... We've also heard from multiple sources that the B12 doesn't wan't to expand to the west. Not to mention it's in the wrong time zone. Plus BYU isn't as close as everyone seems to think and while it's not as far away as Connecticut is... it's still 1200 miles away from Austin, TX and 1100 miles from Norman, OK. We bemoan Rutger's population and proximity to NYC, but BYU may very well be bemoaning our time zone. If you're talking about going to the PAC-12? If there's a cultural difference between Baylor and BYU... think about the huge gulf between Berkeley and Provo.... Then there's BYU network issue... there's a lot working against BYU.
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I remember when the Pac 10 was looking to expand there was a lot of discussion about how Baylor and BYU would be non-starters because of their status as extremely conservative religious institutions joining a conference of progressive state universities. As far as choosing between BYU and UConn, I hope that our entire athletic department is more accomplished. They have been good, not great, at football for a very long time. I can't recall BB or any other sport doing very well on the national stage other than once every 30 years.
 
SAMCRO said:
If this all comes to a head (still skeptical b/c of CR rule #1) Its simple really, should it come down to either UConn or BYU. If the B12 wants to be spread across 3 time zones, not get a foot into the NYC market, rearrange the B12 BB tournament to avoid playing Sundsys, and add a historically good football program with a great following and a decent BB program then BYU > UConn. If they want to get into the worlds largest media market, and nearly double the population whose cable boxes would pick up a B12N, while adding a balanced and highly successful athletic department whose football is sub par of late, and historically average with a couple good years sprinkled in then UConn.> BYU. It would really come down to what the conference values most.
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I think it will come down to cold hard math and I think we win that case, even against BYU and its national following.
 
Marty Jackson said:
When does the Big East checks run out? Is that a windfall for USF? Or is that maybe where the money is coming from?
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I think MHVer's twitter thread sounds logical. Add two AAC schools now to launch the new tv deal and then wait on the ACC implosion.
 
Marty Jackson said:
When does the Big East checks run out? Is that a windfall for USF? Or is that maybe where the money is coming from?
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The Big East Exit Fee $$$ totaled about $100 million bucks. Per a 2013 agreement, UConn, Cincy and USF received 60% of that pot (so $20 million each) and the remaining American members received the other 40% which split 8 ways came out to about $5 million each.

I don't know whether that total has been completely paid out yet or not, but I would imagine that regardless of any current member leaving the American they would not be forced to forfeit that amount. Also, I do not know what the current American exit fees are, but if UConn and Cincy were to leave that $$$ would be split between the remaining schools. USF would get no special treatment there.
 
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brasssbonanzaa said:
This is not why we're on the table. It's because the perception of our football program, even after the BCS game (which, right or wrong, ended up hurting our public perception don't forget), is that it's young, not good, and our attendance is poor. Again, whether those things are true isn't relevant. The ACC thought they were, they took UL. It's not because we were trying to keep the Big East together, that's complete fiction.
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Then the people representing us did an amazingly poor job. All you had to do was point to our record against Pitt, SU, RU, and Louisville to dispel that myth. And people at UConn were always working on keeping the BE together even as leaders at Pitt were working on an exit strategy. Our story to where we are does not begin with Sue Herbst's arrival.

Mike Tranghese stated that UConn worked to keep the BE together as everything was falling part on the Mike Francessa show. It is not complete fiction. Probably not coincidentally he was hired to help us out of our current predicament.
 
MH3 ‏@MH3 · 51m51 minutes ago
Rumor: Clemson has now made contact with both SEC and B12-getting worried about B10...

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 9m9 minutes ago
For those arguing Uconn wouldn't be a good add for a network model because their state is relatively small: BTN gets the full amount in NY

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 9m9 minutes ago
Last I checked Rutgers was in Jersey.

Rvard ‏@WinToKnight · 1m1 minute ago
@MH3 people never understood that a large portion of the NYC market is in NJ

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 9m9 minutes ago
It's not just the state. WVU would bring high sub fees from MD Pittsburgh and DC

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 9m9 minutes ago
It's about markets that you have viewership in. And Uconn brings that in spades.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
This is not why we're on the table. It's because the perception of our football program, even after the BCS game (which, right or wrong, ended up hurting our public perception don't forget), is that it's young, not good, and our attendance is poor. Again, whether those things are true isn't relevant. The ACC thought they were, they took UL. It's not because we were trying to keep the Big East together, that's complete fiction.
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You seriously believe that ACC decisionmakers made their decisions based not on hard facts gathered by people paid to gather the facts, but from pulling things off internet bulletin boards that may or may not have been true? Seriously?

The ACC used REASONS to select Louisville over us that may, in hindsight, not have suited their purposes, but they did not use the wrong facts. I guaranty you no one used the fans "concensus" of attendance numbers as opposed to the actual numbers.

Sheesh.
 
Just a thought re: Twitter. I'm officially following the Big XII account. As a KU law alumn, that may not be a shock. But I think it would be interesting (helpful?) if the Big XII social media people see a load of UConn fans signing up. It's a teaser of what could happen...shows our passion.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Just a thought re: Twitter. I'm officially following the Big XII account. As a KU law alumn, that may not be a shock. But I think it would be interesting (helpful?) if the Big XII social media people see a load of UConn fans signing up. It's a teaser of what could happen...shows our passion.
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Would it help if I wore my UConn gear and went down to Dallas and held up a boombox outside of Bowlsby's office?
 
businesslawyer said:
You seriously believe that ACC decisionmakers made their decisions based not on hard facts gathered by people paid to gather the facts, but from pulling things off internet bulletin boards that may or may not have been true? Seriously?

The ACC used REASONS to select Louisville over us that may, in hindsight, not have suited their purposes, but they did not use the wrong facts. I guaranty you no one used the fans "concensus" of attendance numbers as opposed to the actual numbers.

Sheesh.
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I did not say they took info from message boards. Those perceptions were rampant among other programs. I'm sure they did use metrics of some kind. My point was, to the post I quoted, we were not left on the table in 2012 because we were trying to keep the Big East together. That notion is laughable. We had just gone through a dry spell of bad football post-Fiesta Bowl, and UL was doing really well, then Jurich outfoxed Warde.
 
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NYUConn said:
Would it help if I wore my UConn gear and went down to Dallas and held up a boombox outside of Bowlsby's office?
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Hell...hire Cusack to do it....or maybe all of our guys currently in the NFL and NBA, plus Jesus Shuttleworth holding the boombox.
 
jostar1 said:
MH3 ‏@MH3 · 51m51 minutes ago
Rumor: Clemson has now made contact with both SEC and B12-getting worried about B10...

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 9m9 minutes ago
For those arguing Uconn wouldn't be a good add for a network model because their state is relatively small: BTN gets the full amount in NY

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 9m9 minutes ago
Last I checked Rutgers was in Jersey.

Rvard ‏@WinToKnight · 1m1 minute ago
@MH3 people never understood that a large portion of the NYC market is in NJ

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 9m9 minutes ago
It's not just the state. WVU would bring high sub fees from MD Pittsburgh and DC

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 9m9 minutes ago
It's about markets that you have viewership in. And Uconn brings that in spades.
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I read this and shake my head. Are networks and the concept of viewers a new cutting edge concept outside the northeast?
I swear this has been debated ad nauseum on here for 10 years or so.
Now suddenly people get that ct/Uconn delivers eyeballs and lots of them?
 
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businesslawyer said:
You seriously believe that ACC decision makers made their decisions based not on hard facts gathered by people paid to gather the facts, but from pulling things off internet bulletin boards that may or may not have been true? Seriously?

The ACC used REASONS to select Louisville over us that may, in hindsight, not have suited their purposes, but they did not use the wrong facts. I guaranty you no one used the fans "concensus" of attendance numbers as opposed to the actual numbers.

Sheesh.
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Four reasons why the ACC took Louisville instead of UConn - 1) the stick up BC's pompous arse, 2) bourbon, 3) hookers, and 4) Jurich took lots of pictures of #2 and #3 while they were courting the ACC presidents :cool:
 
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