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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
If it isn't...Oklahoma will consider B12 True Reform DEAD.
Don't open the Sooner Can of Whoop-Ass Bowlsby/Texas.

Greg Flugaur Retweeted John E. Hoover
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‏@johnehoover Bowlsby: Expansion/Network/CCG is not necessarily a package deal.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
We all know where this is heading correct?
Big 12 Civil War Part 3 tomorrow when the Presidents have meeting.

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John E. HooverVerified account ‏@johnehoover 6h6 hours ago
Bowlsby: No comment on Boren's $4-6m per school boost from a #Big12 network; no discussion of folding LHN into a league-wide deal.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
Now for the nut punch:
If FOX is able to get at least 50% of B1G Tier 1 TV media contract the incentive for FOX to play ball on B12N drops

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
B12 has to play ball with Boren...but they have to wait for B1G Tier 1 TV negotiations to play out first..and hope FOX don't land B1G Tier 1

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
This is why since April we have stated B12 expansion was never about 2016...always about FB 2017.
Always.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
Oklahoma is not in control over their own destiny on WHEN (not if) they can leave the B12...but B12 is not control their destiny on B12N.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
But B12 has to swing the bat to possibly hit the ball on creating an operational B12N with expansion.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 19m19 minutes ago
@TexasRoundball @NebGradDubDub @theDudeofWV @Expansion_Crush @JonBCoker
B12 Civil War.
It's real
It's here
Not going away until...
OU bolts

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 18m18 minutes ago
@TexasRoundball @NebGradDubDub @theDudeofWV @Expansion_Crush @JonBCoker
....or if Texas finally caves.
 
Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Look it's simple. No network, no expansion, no Big 12 after 2025. Sure none of the candidates are perfect but what's the alternative?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
So if you want the Big 12 intact get behind the idea of expansion.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Or at least hope like the ever-lovin' dickens Texas agrees.

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 · 3h3 hours ago
Frank the Tank Retweeted Chuck Carlton
It's not complex. It's simple: the LHN is a massive and likely immovable road block.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
@frankthetank111 Not really. More B1G bias. Converting LHN into B12N is very easy if Texas agrees. Fox & ESPN would be partners.

Doug ‏@NebGradDubDub · 2h2 hours ago
@theDudeofWV @frankthetank111 all conference networks are built on shared equal revenue. Can't be done in the B12. Won't be done

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @NebGradDubDub @frankthetank111 Yes it can.
 
MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN rep was very forthcoming about quite a bit of things.

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN needs UT and the B12.

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN is not going to be able to afford the next B10 contract-Numbers being thrown around by other networks dwarf what ESPN can pay

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN also knows it is going to lose schools from ACC to B10-big deal schools on the Bball side

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
And big markets that give good Ratings.

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
Getting Cincy in the B12 helps keep an Ohio presence for ESPN college football.

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN needs to protect what it has with ACC and B12 but does not want a merger if ACC loses schools to B10-can't afford to pay(cont)

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
(Cont) competitive shares to 20 schools in a mega conf.

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN will let B12 and SEC get the big programs left in ACC(UM FSU Clemson VT) and refill the ACC remnants with AAC teams and pay them less

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN also said LHN can be transitioned to B12N-it's willing to do what the conference and UT wants

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN wants Uconn in B12 for TV market purposes for the LHN/B12N. Simple as that. Also gives B12 another blueblood in BB

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ACC GOR is going to be a non-issue since ACCN was not created. It can be beaten in court now.

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
@agentmdo Uconn has NYC and the state of Connecticut. It alone almost doubles the B12 market penetration.

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN wants sec and B12 to play nice. Needs them to stay strong.backdoor deals with sec that 2 schools in B12 were working on(cont)

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
(Cont) will not be endorsed by ESPN and will be fought.

Brandon Bartlett ‏@BBartlett819 · 2h2 hours ago
@MH3 timing of moves? Where do you think Clemson ends up?

MH3‏@MH3 @BBartlett819 still not sure on timing. During B10 contract negotiations the will hit the fan
 
jostar1 said:
MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN rep was very forthcoming about quite a bit of things.

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN needs UT and the B12.

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN is not going to be able to afford the next B10 contract-Numbers being thrown around by other networks dwarf what ESPN can pay

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN also knows it is going to lose schools from ACC to B10-big deal schools on the Bball side

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
And big markets that give good Ratings.

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
Getting Cincy in the B12 helps keep an Ohio presence for ESPN college football.

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN needs to protect what it has with ACC and B12 but does not want a merger if ACC loses schools to B10-can't afford to pay(cont)

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
(Cont) competitive shares to 20 schools in a mega conf.

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN will let B12 and SEC get the big programs left in ACC(UM FSU Clemson VT) and refill the ACC remnants with AAC teams and pay them less

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN also said LHN can be transitioned to B12N-it's willing to do what the conference and UT wants

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN wants Uconn in B12 for TV market purposes for the LHN/B12N. Simple as that. Also gives B12 another blueblood in BB

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ACC GOR is going to be a non-issue since ACCN was not created. It can be beaten in court now.

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
@agentmdo Uconn has NYC and the state of Connecticut. It alone almost doubles the B12 market penetration.

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ESPN wants sec and B12 to play nice. Needs them to stay strong.backdoor deals with sec that 2 schools in B12 were working on(cont)

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
(Cont) will not be endorsed by ESPN and will be fought.

Brandon Bartlett ‏@BBartlett819 · 2h2 hours ago
@MH3 timing of moves? Where do you think Clemson ends up?

MH3‏@MH3 @BBartlett819 still not sure on timing. During B10 contract negotiations the will hit the fan
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I want to believe. I really do.
 
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jostar1 said:
MH3 ‏@MH3 · 2h2 hours ago
ACC GOR is going to be a non-issue since ACCN was not created. It can be beaten in court now.
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And yet, the XII is supposedly unbreakable until 202? or something. Sorry, but knowing Texas, there is no way that that they agree to any GOR that did not provide a loophole for them. The question is, can Oklahoma find a use the same loophole if they do not get what they want within the XII, such as expansion and a championship game.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Another moonshine fueled ACC Armageddon fantasy.
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Yup.

ESPN buys the ACC lock, stock and barrel, but is OK with The B1G and SEC tearing it apart? Its suddenly more important to protect a conference with 8 of its 10 members located in 3 states, with the other two states covered being Iowa and WV? LOL. This is bad even by Mh3 standards. I'll sum this up for everyone.

Texas is the king of The Big 12.
They make a * ton of money on The Longhorn Network.
There is zero scenario where they are not better or at least even if The Big 12 implodes.
They aren't going to do *.
Everything The Dood or MH3 write are fantasies to make themselves feel better about WVU's Situation.

The Neers are not a king of college football like these fools believe. They are lucky to be a jester in King Bevo's court. They rode a run of historical program success, all achieved in a down conference, to secure an invite from a different conference that was in desperate need for schools with a football pulse. The Big 12 royally screwed up when they passed on pursuing Cincy and Lville along with WVU. They could have went to 12, added some decent football and basketball, all while opening up another region for the conference.

Predictably they took the path of least resistance and created a ridiculous island upon which WVU sits. JMO but given the chance the conference members would cut WVU loose and add Houston, CSU, or some other regional program. They exist as a conference as long as Bevo says so. No one has leverage over The Horns. Their future is paved with gold wherever they go. The rank and file fall in line behind them because they know that their options are incredibly limited should the big baby take its ball and go home.
 
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I think Texas is feeling some pressure, but they may decide in the end to ride the Big 12 out and then do something different in 2025. I do think that the uncertainty of a different conference, together with the geographic issue of being in a league like the ACC where the closest team could be hundreds of miles away, make it worth something to them to keep the Big 12 together.

I also think that the Big 10, Pac 12 and SEC are not interested in Bevo's BS and will not invite them. Alabama, Michigan and USC don't feel like they need to kiss anyone's ass, and certainly not Texas'. Each of those leagues have schools that couldn't take Texas' crap anymore. Texas knows this, and that may be enough to get Texas to move.
 
Yawkey Way said:
Really ? What league Commissioners are more competent in your opinion ? And why ?
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Jim Delaney, because he invited the schools that made his league stronger financially, rather than making stupid, short-term decisions and crippling his ability to get a conference network off the ground, and rather than getting outmaneuvered for nearly every key northeast market. How is it possible that the B1G, and not the ACC, has the best market presence in NYC, Philly, and Baltimore/DC?
 
CallMeBruce said:
Jim Delaney, because he invited the schools that made his league stronger financially, rather than making stupid, short-term decisions and crippling his ability to get a conference network off the ground, and rather than getting outmaneuvered for nearly every key northeast market. How is it possible that the B1G, and not the ACC, has the best market presence in NYC, Philly, and Baltimore/DC?
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Lol... So much this.
 
The SEC and Big10 have excellent commissioners. Every move Delany and Slive/Sankey made has increased revenue. They have approached their conference as joint, equitable business venture and have made pure business decisions in regards to expansion. Their members place incredible trust in the advise of their commissioner and he leads the business. Rutgers did not make sense to a lot of Big10 fans...well, until their schools got its Big10 pay check this year. The Missouri and Texas A&M expansion produced a huge payday for the SEC. Bama may be the best football team in the country but it is funded by cable boxes in Missouri and Texas.

The ACC has the worst commissioner. The ACC has shown no vision and has only grown by devouring the Big East. The ACC's methodology for expansion has been a combination of territorial protection/personal vendetta (BC wants to be the only P5 program in NE) and power struggle between the football and basketball teams (FSU/Clemson wanted Louisville for football and threatened to leave if they did not get their way). The ACC controlled the NY market and failed to retain it by not keeping UConn and Rutgers. Swofford has allegedly made promises of an ACCN to FSU and to date, he has not produced on those promises. The ACC botched the selling of its T3 rights and the ACC is drastically unpaid compared to the SEC/BIG. Now teams like FSU are arguing for a larger revenue share and Swofford is probably just dumb enough to consider it. Instead of the growing the revenue pie, Swofford is more likely to try to unevenly distribute to keep the football schools happy. Simply put, the ACC should be far more profitable than it is and there does not seem to be the loyalty in the big football schools. I suppose if you live by the sword...

The Big12 is the biggest mystery. They have always shown the most individualist approach (each team selling their own T3 rights) so the commissioner was more of a mediator and less of a CEO. Per Boren's comment OU wants more of a Big10/SEC model. That means expansion is based on profit, not which non G5 Texas team had the best football season last year. WVU is infinitely better in football than Rutgers but Rutgers can make more for a conference. OU wants a whole new business model. It may be too far along for the B12 to change but if they do, the ACC will be the big loser.
 
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When playing poker at some point you do need to show your hand. I think we all agree that Uconn strengthens the NYC market for any conference. If NYC and ultimately the New England to DC corridor is the end game what is it going to take to get the B1G to make it's move and show it's hand. I find it hard to believe that they would let the Big 12 get a foothold in NYC by taking Uconn.
 
Listened to Rick Neuheusel this a.m. on Sirius 84. His take: Okie light's Coach Gundy was on recently & said that he wouldn't be surprised if the P-5 became the Mega P-3. Rick said the Sooners aren't happy only making @ $ 20M per year when the SEC & soon the B1G are making @ 37M. Feels that the Sooners will either go SEC, B1G or PAC as the Pac will also want $37M & resurrect the Sooner, Okie light, Bevo, pick another Texas team annexation. Feels that contracts can be broken & isn't worried about the TV rights.
 
coachcap said:
Listened to Rick Neuheusel this a.m. on Sirius 84. His take: Okie light's Coach Gundy was on recently & said that he wouldn't be surprised if the P-5 became the Mega P-3. Rick said the Sooners aren't happy only making @ $ 20M per year when the SEC & soon the B1G are making @ 37M. Feels that the Sooners will either go SEC, B1G or PAC as the Pac will also want $37M & resurrect the Sooner, Okie light, Bevo, pick another Texas team annexation. Feels that contracts can be broken & isn't worried about the TV rights.
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At some point, someone will be left out that will put up a big stink.
 
Ldandy said:
Nice logical post. While I agree that certain ACC Properties are more coveted by both The B1G and SEC, I can't see ESPN allowing a property that they own in full to be raided by other interests. Its a lot easier to work a side deal with Texas(like they've already done) and allow the lower valued properties of the Big 12 be scattered to the four winds. The Big 12 is unique in that is push came to shove, homes could potentially be found for all members.

Hypothetical Realignment(Fan Fiction)

B1G- KU & UConn- Add 2 basketball blue bloods, 2 good TV Markets, and 2 good academic institutions.
East- UM, OSU, PSU, MSU, IU, RU, UMD, UCONN
West- UNL, WI, Iowa, IL, NW, MN, PU, KU

PAC- KSU, TT, ISU, OSU- Gets The PAC into another time zone for broadcasting purposes, adds an AAU School with a good fan base, and 3 solid football schools to get to 16.
Coastal- USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, OU, OSU, WSU, UW
Central- AU, ASU, CU, UT, OSU, KSU, ISU, TT

Winners of each can play every year in either the Rose or Fiesta Bowl.


SEC- TCU & OU- Gets The SEC into Dallas/Fort Worth Area in a major way to pair with TAMU/LSU in the Houston Area.
East- USCe, UGA, UF, UT, Vandy, UK, Bama, AU
West- Ole Miss, MSU, LSU, Ark, MU, A&M, OU, TCU


ACC- Texas Independent with a partial ND Deal, WVU, Baylor. The only stumbling block would be scheduling 17 for basketball. Football is improved with existing schools getting games against regional rival WVU and growing power Baylor. Conference members now have 5-6 ND games and 5-6 Texas games to divide up each year.

North- BC, SU, Pitt, WVU, VPI, UVA, Lville, Miami
South- UNC, Duke, NCSU, WF, Clemson, GT, FSU, BU

Winners of each can play every year in either the Orange or Sugar Bowl.

The National Championship can rotate among cities around the country in a bidding process like The Superbowl.

None of this will ever happen. but its is at least as plausible as anything The WV Twitterati has come up with.
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I love a happy ending but my experience as a UConn fan has taught me there will not be one for everyone if a conference disbands. Teams UConn called our partners and rivals turned on us and left us to die. Conference Realignment is a brutal business.

If the Big12 implodes some combination of ISU, KSU, Baylor, TT, TCU, and WVU are going to get screwed. For example, the PAC10 won't a pay 30 million share to ISU for its membership. That is not an attack on ISU but more a reality check on cable boxes in Iowa for the 2nd most popular school.

Personally I think the ACC would have less teams without a home if it blew up. FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, UVa, VT, GT, and NC St would be locks into some conference. Duke, Syracuse, Louisville and Pitt could probably find a home but might have to hustle. It is conceivable everyone but WF and BC might be ok if the ACC blew up.

Bottom Line - conference realignment is not about fair or the greater good. If ESPN backs the ACC with a network they will survive. If the Big12 builds a network they will likely survive. It is all about money....trying to take care of everyone is not in the equation. I don't know what ESPN wants but I do know the BIG, SEC, and Big12 all want programs currently in the ACC...no other conference has that attraction.
 
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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@Expansion_Crush @Odharris1 @OmegaSupreme914 @NebGradDubDub @ronnoco5 @posas13 @MurrDCU
I think NBC & FOX have package offer to B1G

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@Expansion_Crush @Odharris1 @OmegaSupreme914 @NebGradDubDub @ronnoco5 @posas13 @MurrDCU
NBC/FOX did it with NASCAR in 2013..trying again

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
I'm telling you right now if NBC & FOX shared offer to B1G is the deal that gets made..
FOX has ZERO incentive to deal with Disney/LHN/B12N

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@MurrDCU
I don't see ACC getting raided by B1G for a long time.
ESPN has made it clear...building wall on ESPN content.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@MurrDCU
If FOX/NBC snares all or most of B1G contract/content...ESPN digs in on current content.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@MurrDCU
In this scenario FOX has no need to compromise with ESPN and hand them/buy out over multiple B12 3rd tier deals to Disney.

Murr ‏@MurrDCU · 2h2 hours ago
@flugempire what if no ACC Network voids that GOR? ACC gets picked apart.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire @MurrDCU I don't believe the ACC GOR gets voided...and if ESPN loses all or most B1G tier 1 rights they will build ACCN.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@MurrDCU
ESPN is not going to lose B1G Tier 1 content AND lose ACC schools to B1G...
Disney is still Disney

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@MurrDCU
I don't see Disney losing B10 Tier 1 Content + ACC schools in raid...nope.
But FOX getting B1G Tier 1 makes B12 schools uneasy
 
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