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RustyHusky said:
I'm sorry, but people are going to turn on the TV to watch a renewed OU vs. Nebraska football rivalry...or OSU vs. OU. Meanwhile, Michigan State vs. Kansas basketball would be premier television too. I'm not saying we don't offer anything, I'm just saying that OU and Kansas together as a packaged deal bring a hefty sum to the table that I don't think we can compete with. It's not ALL about TVs. You have to have content too, and both OU and Kansas are marquee brand names that people want to watch. They're national brands.
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UConn and Virginia brings a ton. Any one of these in isolation doesn't bring a ton, though. It has to be matched with its partner and its market.
 
NYUConn said:
Theoretically, if ESPN cuts the American TV deal by 50% it would free up some money to ink a small deal separately with UConn.

Is UConn men's and women's BBall worth $.5-$1M annually to the worldwide leader? I don't know, but I would think that given the national following of each of program it would be worth the conversation.

If the school could get it's media rights back, could they put together a piecemeal arrangement with a handful of networks to net $3-4M annually for their T1-3 rights?
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The most likely result of additional expansion is the termination of our current contract. There's no reason for ESPN not to blow it up - they would have all the leverage in putting something cheaper with less exposure requirements back together. The idea that ESPN would cut a side-deal with UConn doesn't make a lot of sense for them and it probably wouldn't pass muster with our partners...the other members of the American. We're not an independent and cannot act as one.

Maybe we have enough sway in that shamble of a conference to part out the third tier, but I would advise not to expect a silver lining should the Big 12 expand without us. It's probably the last expansion move for the next decade.
 
Stinger92860 said:
Without numbers your position is a guess. The numbers are important. In the BTN model a large part of the revenue stream is directly related to carriage fees and advertising revenues (they get 50% from ads). So I ask again, what are the numbers?
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I posted them in a different thread this summer...not going to look them up again.
 
RustyHusky said:
I'm sorry, but people are going to turn on the TV to watch a renewed OU vs. Nebraska football rivalry...or OSU vs. OU. Meanwhile, Michigan State vs. Kansas basketball would be premier television too. I'm not saying we don't offer anything, I'm just saying that OU and Kansas together as a packaged deal bring a hefty sum to the table that I don't think we can compete with. It's not ALL about TVs. You have to have content too, and both OU and Kansas are marquee brand names that people want to watch. They're national brands.
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PSA - This one's a troll.
 
Fishy said:
The most likely result of additional expansion is the termination of our current contract. There's no reason for ESPN not to blow it up - they would have all the leverage in putting something cheaper with less exposure requirements back together. The idea that ESPN would cut a side-deal with UConn doesn't make a lot of sense for them and it probably wouldn't pass muster with our partners...the other members of the American. We're not an independent and cannot act as one.

Maybe we have enough sway in that shamble of a conference to part out the third tier, but I would advise not to expect a silver lining should the Big 12 expand without us. It's probably the last expansion move for the next decade.
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I think you're probably right, RE: ESPN would blow the contract up.

However, I don't know that it is inconceivable that ESPN wouldn't cut a side deal with UConn. Current AAC TV deal w/ESPN is worth $126/7 years. Navy retains their own TV rights from what I understand, so that pie is split 11 ways.

Basically comes out to about $1.6 million per year per school.

Now let's say we lose two non-UConn members. ESPN blows the deal up, reduces the exposure and cuts the payout in half. At that point the schools are now earning about $800K per year under the new deal. ESPN would be saving $8.8 million per year moving forward.

UConn sports, which posts higher overnight numbers in BBall and Football consistently than most of the highest-profile G5 match ups, comes in and says if you keep our exposure level at pre-Big 12 expansion numbers and cut us a deal for $1M a year. That sounds like a pretty good deal to me, no?

Now this all presupposes that somehow UConn can pry our media rights away from The American, which as long as we are committed to playing D1 football, I don't know how that happens (because the threat of joining the Big East is hollow without a football home).

I know it's a lot of hypotheticals, but I don't think ESPN would outright say no to a side deal with UConn if somehow we could get our rights back.
 
Our T3 rights with IMG were valued at $8M/yr, signed in 2010-2020 amidst the falling of the Big East conference. WBB signed a T3 contract with SNY for $1.4M/yr in 2012 after the fall. Our combined T3 rights are easily in the $10M/yr range (easily within P5 range). If we were simply able to just get part of that back, we would generate FAR more revenue than our AAC competitors.
 
tzznandrew said:
UConn and Virginia brings a ton. Any one of these in isolation doesn't bring a ton, though. It has to be matched with its partner and its market.
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That's kind of my point. The B1G wouldn't turn their nose up at Oklahoma if Oklahoma were interested, and if OU were to go then they would take Kansas before they took UConn. Kansas by themselves may not be as good as taking us, but coupled with Oklahoma they become significantly more valuable.
 
It's easy to label me a troll when I'm the only one, apparently, that doesn't think we're the center of the expansion universe. We may be a great choice for a conference, but it's not difficult to see that we may not be the only option or even the best option. Other schools have merits too, and it's time to recognize that.
 
RustyHusky said:
It's easy to label me a troll when I'm the only one, apparently, that doesn't think we're the center of the expansion universe. We may be a great choice for a conference, but it's not difficult to see that we may not be the only option or even the best option. Other schools have merits too, and it's time to recognize that.
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All of our pals from other schools have been quick to point this out, it is hardly an insight.
 
Dave Sittler‏@DaveSittler ESPN's depleted coffers will probably prevent Big 12 expansion.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 4h4 hours ago
@MikeBrem But if Big 12 does not expand...if ESPN chooses not to spit out pro rata on the 2 adds...OU is gone in 2025.
Why...???

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 4h4 hours ago
@MikeBrem ...because next B12 TV contract negotiations will be done solely on last 10 yrs of ratings (2014-2024).
Bad news for B12...

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 4h4 hours ago
@MikeBrem ...and OU knows this...they know small footprint with no branding is killing B12 leverage in future negotiations.
Dismal
 
It's simple: OU looks to be on the move. They've signaled they're more interested in the B1G. If that happens, Kansas is going to go with them and not UConn. I don't have to like that to accept that reality. Our best hope is that the B1G takes two from the east as well and that we're one of them.
 
Sean ‏@smm140 · 13h13 hours ago
@HoustonsOwnDrew @smm140 theDudeofWV @Expansion_Crush I live in Houston and this town is dominated by UT and Tx ATM
 
I think ESPN would love to carve up the BigXII, which unfortunately would likely be all bad for us as it dumps more expansion candidates onto the market.
 
RustyHusky said:
It's easy to label me a troll when I'm the only one, apparently, that doesn't think we're the center of the expansion universe. We may be a great choice for a conference, but it's not difficult to see that we may not be the only option or even the best option. Other schools have merits too, and it's time to recognize that.
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Point to a single post from anyone saying that Oklahoma and Kansas, or any other P5 schools, have no merits and are not options.

You're making up straw men.
 
RustyHusky said:
I think ESPN would love to carve up the BigXII, which unfortunately would likely be all bad for us as it dumps more expansion candidates onto the market.
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It also opens up partners.

If the P4/P5 are going to break away they need to include all the major draws in college athletics. A break up of the B12 would likely help UConn find a home. We would do well on any commercial analysis against most of the B12.
 
If the B12 breaks up, that is nothing but GOOD news for UConn. We want movement. Chaos, even. Everyone staying pat for a decade is a killer blow to UConn. Worst case scenario: we partner up with some B12 leftovers and the "best of" G5 schools. Best case scenario: we partner up with OU, Texas, and Kansas to the B1G and create a mega year-round dominating super conference.
 
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RustyHusky said:
It's easy to label me a troll when I'm the only one, apparently, that doesn't think we're the center of the expansion universe. We may be a great choice for a conference, but it's not difficult to see that we may not be the only option or even the best option. Other schools have merits too, and it's time to recognize that.
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No, it's because you're not a UConn fan.

You can go now.
 
Why? Because you don't like hearing what I have to say? Because the truth is, if OU leaves the BigXII it could mean we're stuck in this crappy conference? I don't like it, but it's time to face the reality that we're not the center of the expansion universe.
 
RustyHusky said:
Why? Because you don't like hearing what I have to say? Because the truth is, if OU leaves the BigXII it could mean we're stuck in this crappy conference? I don't like it, but it's time to face the reality that we're not the center of the expansion universe.
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While it might be true, your conclusion is not self-evident. And you have not attempted to share the analysis of your argument. Which begs the question - on what is your conclusion based? And you do not appear to get this as with each response you double down on the same foolish things. That is why people believe you are a troll, I think.
 
It is only a reiteration of Frank the Tank's comment of some months ago....Frank's analysis wasn't much..other than Oklahoma is a massive football get and Kansas a basketball get.

I don't think we have a real clue what the B1G will do...they could, indeed, finish going east...or they could pick up Big 12 schools, or Notre Dame, or Virginia or VT...

OK, OK...I hear my inner voice, influenced by that great folk philosopher, Foghorn Leghorn...

"Stop, I say stop it boy. You're choppin' but no chips are flyin' "
 
I am inclined to think that if the Big 12 gets poached, the P5 pool will remain as is at 65, which would be bad for UCONN. If the Big 12 expands, the P5 pool likely expands which would be good for UCONN. In terms of expansion talk, UCONN is clearly a valuable national brand.
I also think there are two motives for CR - expansion for the greedy money grab which already went down, and realignment for the long-term good of the conferences. I tend to believe that no current/granfathered P5 programs will be left behind. Although a Big 12 shakeup may not help UCONN, I want to see something, anything happen for the sake of hope.
 

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