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Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2m2 minutes ago
@Gmunz1876 @IRaiseMyFlag @jr_mckee ESPN told me last night it would nearly be impossible to open up the B12 contract & give back rights.
 
He has said it's more than one person.
Correct. But if I had to guess that's just a cover in case his employer catches wind of how much he tweets during business hours - assuming that's his real name.
 
Royal We, he is king of the Twitter Rumor Mongerers and the Dude is the Jester.
 
Reasons:
(1) TX has too much ego to admit their LHN is not successful.
(2) TX does not partner with anyone so why would they care about anyone's bottom line but their own?

(1) LHN has made money for Texas and word was ESPN broke even on it last year after years of losses. I think Texas is going to be more focused on making LHN successful than on abandoning it.
(2) Texas will partner with anyone who makes more money for them. Sadly for the B12, that is not the #3,#4, #5 schools in Texas and #2 schools in Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa. However, it is the ACC, ESPN, and Notre Dame.
 
Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM dinner on January 30th.

DocBunyan ‏@DocBunyan · 16m16 minutes ago
@flugempire @Expansion_Crush ask him if big 12 will dissolve if half of members want to leave.

Greg Flugaur
‏@flugempire @DocBunyan @Expansion_Crush
He has answered this already but I will ask again
BTM says B12 will not dissolve in total if implosion happens.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 11m11 minutes ago
@DocBunyan @Expansion_Crush Which I know is against conventional wisdom..but there are reasons for this.
Will talk later

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 37s38 seconds ago
@Expansion_Crush @DocBunyan I will make sure this question is part of the Jan 30 convo with BTM. But in past BTM has stated B12 stays
 
My view of the XII should Oklahoma leave because of the Sooners do figure out how to bolt in advance of the GOR expiring, the conference is dead because without Oklahoma, the XII offers little value to Texas and Texas will bolt because Texas only cars about Texas. P4 = ACC, B1G, PAC, & SEC. G4 = MAC, Conf USA + AAC, Sunbelt, Mountain West
  • Baylor - P4
    • ACC: Unlikely, only if the ACC takes U Texas and needs additional teams in Texas to get to 20 programs
    • B1G: None
    • PAC: Unlikely, only if desperate to get to 20 programs and has no other options
    • SEC: Possible if SEC wants to get 20 and decides it needs a second program in Texas, which the state can support, that does not threaten A&M nor carry the baggage that U Texas does
  • Iowa State - G4
    • ACC: None
    • B1G: None, has Iowa
    • PAC: Unlikely, only if desperate to get to 20 programs and has no other options
    • SEC: None, not going that far north
  • Kansas - P4
    • ACC: None
    • B1G: Likely depending on which way the B1G wants to expand, East versus Southwest, with Basketball, AAU status and land bridge to Oklahoma being of interest; but, will not take them if Kansas St is a requirement
    • PAC: None, B1G or SEC will take them first
    • SEC: Possible as would significantly add to SEC basketball and would pair nicely with Missouri
  • Kansas St - G4
    • ACC: None
    • B1G: None
    • PAC: Possible if the PAC wants to get to 20 programs
    • SEC: Slight possibility if the SEC wants 20 programs as they offer decent football
  • Oklahoma - P4 (guaranteed)
    • ACC: None, B1G, PAC or SEC would get there first
    • B1G: Likely depending on which way the B1G wants to expand, East versus Southwest, assuming B1G can get over AAU status and possible contiguous footprint issue (solved by adding Kansas) while adding huge football brand and makes other members (Nebraska) very happy, Oklahoma has expressed interest
    • PAC: Unlikely just because the B1G and SEC would get the Sooners first and would only go to the PAC as a package deal to get Okalahoma
    • SEC: Likely if the B1G does not add them first, would add a major football brand to the SEC and decent basketball
  • Oklahoma St - P4
    • ACC: Unlikely as PAC or SEC would get there first
    • B1G: None, even if taking Oklahoma requires that the B1G takes Oklahoma State
    • PAC: Possible as part of a package deal with other XII teams, PAC has expressed interest before
    • SEC: Likely with or without Oklahoma as the have a decent football and basketball products, opens-up a new market to the SEC and access to a deep pocketed donor
  • U Texas - P4 (guaranteed)
    • ACC: Likely if the ACC is foolish enough to offer Texas a 'ND like' deal where the Long Horns can keep the LHN
    • B1G: Possible as they match well on and off the field; but, Texas would have to learn how to play nice with others
    • PAC: Likely if no 'special' deal from the ACC is available and this option would likely allow Texas to take care of its cousin, Texas Tech, prior discussions already conformed interest
    • SEC: Unlikely as while on paper looks like a perfect match of major football powerhouses, Texas has shown it wants special treatment and Alabama, Florida, LSU won't give them such, plus A&M would likely block
    • Wildcard: Independent
  • TCU - G4
    • ACC: Unlikely, only if the ACC takes U Texas and needs additional teams in Texas to get to 20 programs
    • B1G: None
    • PAC: Unlikely, only if desperate to get to 20 programs and has no other options
    • SEC: Unlikely, same as Baylor above, i.e. second Texas team with less baggage; but, Baylor offers more than TCU
  • Texas Tech - P4
    • ACC: Unlikely, only feasible if part of a package deal with U Texas
    • B1G: None, even if they are part of a package deal with U Texas
    • PAC: Likely, as part of a package deal with U Texas or with the remainders of the XII in an effort to get to 20 programs
    • SEC: None
  • West Virginia - P4
    • ACC: Likely, a backfill option should the B1G (UVA, V Tech, UNC) or SEC (V Tech, UNC, NC State, Louisville) steal a team
    • B1G: None
    • PAC: None
    • SEC: Unlikely, unless the SEC needs to backfill should a team that the B1G steals (Missouri) or if the conference expands to 20 and wants to challenge to the B1G in the Midwest (OH & PA) with a decent football brand
 
Texas, Oklahoma and maybe Okie Lite and Kansas end up in P4 if Big 12 dissolves. The rest have a 1% chance of a miracle.
 
And now for some comic relief: Got out for lunch & had Sirius 84 on. After coming back from the break, Jack Arute asked Lou Holtz which would happen first Big XII expansion or hosting a championship game?
Dr Lou's response was expansion with Memphis-nice school, good location, nice stadium, & possibly Tulsa for keeping inside the footprint.
 
And now for some comic relief: Got out for lunch & had Sirius 84 on. After coming back from the break, Jack Arute asked Lou Holtz which would happen first Big XII expansion or hosting a championship game?
Dr Lou's response was expansion with Memphis-nice school, good location, nice stadium, & possibly Tulsa for keeping inside the footprint.

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Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2m2 minutes ago
The B12 is investigating if OU violated conference bylaws by communicating with another conference meaning they have called Boren's bluff.
 
Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2m2 minutes ago
The B12 is investigating if OU violated conference bylaws by communicating with another conference meaning they have called Boren's bluff.
LMFAO. As if Texas, Okie State, Kansas, KSU, etc haven't reached out through backchannels to the SEC, B1G, PAC.
 
LMFAO. As if Texas, Okie State, Kansas, KSU, etc haven't reached out through backchannels to the SEC, B1G, PAC.

They 100% did in 2011 when half the conference was thinking of heading to the Pac 12.
 
Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2m2 minutes ago
The B12 is investigating if OU violated conference bylaws by communicating with another conference meaning they have called Boren's bluff.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 10m10 minutes ago
@PotatoGoatse Boren made a mistake. He became what Texas was before the GoR. He tried to threaten his way into forcing expansion.

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @PotatoGoatse He's mad. He royally #%#%~ OU and perhaps WVU too.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2m2 minutes ago
@PotatoGoatse Only guarantee was thru 2025. OU wants to save it but Boren made a mistake. He went too far.

Potato Goatse
‏@PotatoGoatse @theDudeofWV No, it's not. And what is the Big XII going to do about it? We're Oklahoma.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 14m14 minutes ago
@PotatoGoatse What can they do. Not expand and hold OU to the GoR. Read what Boren said about the GoR. What his preference is...

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 10m10 minutes ago
@PotatoGoatse Texas was playing nice. How about getting 6 of the other 7 schools to agree with you first before starting a war with Texas?
 
Dude is a complete maniac. At least Flug openly admits when he's speculating about something or when he isn't sure about a topic. Yes, he speculates a lot but he's honest about it. Dude is straight up making things up at this point and citing these supposed "sources" he has who've proven time and again to be wrong.
 
Dude is a complete maniac. At least Flug openly admits when he's speculating about something or when he isn't sure about a topic. Yes, he speculates a lot but he's honest about it. Dude is straight up making things up at this point and citing these supposed "sources" he has who've proven time and again to be wrong.

In the vast world of CR-based twitter he's the dumbest guy in the room, which is really saying something.
 

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