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SubbaBub said:
And from the well that was completely expected department, BC and Wake are whining about cost of attendance scholarships, with BC as the lone dissenting vote.

Story in today's NY TIMES.
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Private Catholic, Outlier distance-wise, ~30 varsity sports, expensive tuition...BC is certainly in a difficult spot.
I believe the Big East schools will also try to keep pace but that is going to be tough.
 
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jostar1 said:
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 50m 50 minutes ago
The Big Ten will target 2 ACC schools this summer. Find out who & why here: http://mountaineerfanboy.prophpbb.com/topic100.html
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Bullet points:

  • Says Big12 is stable, Texas and Oklahoma want to be there, Big12 GoR was given monetary concessions so it is strong.
  • NCST rep says ACC GOR was signed to get ESPN to look at a potential ACCN. Won't get a look without. No money was given so not strong. Big10 thinks they can get by it
  • Says Big10 will approach UVA ang GT this summer. If Big10 keeps with ESPN in some form, The ACCN is dead.
  • FSU us getting jumpy and will look to leave if no ACCN
  • Says Big10 needs to invite FSU, but can't because of AAU status. Taking FSU would tear apart ACC.
  • Not sure if UVA would leave, but GT would be gone in a heartbeat.
  • Big10 could pull $50 million per school if UVA and GT are added.
Hope that helps!
 
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 7m 7 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV Good read. And with the exception of one major point it's accurate from my contacts...in which Chris and I may have duplication

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 7m 7 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV The major point of difference is we believe the ACC GOR is not dependent on the creation of the ACCN. But what we agree on...

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 3m 3 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV ..is UVA & GT are on top of Delanys wish list...but with the addition of VA TECH on the list as well. But at this point...

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 1m 1 minute ago
...the perception of the Big Ten is there is not much interest from UVA/GT...no steam as of now. But maybe as Chris says things could..,.

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 1m 1 minute ago
@flugempire ...with no ACCN coming on board. Overall good read. Don't agree with the stability claim of B12 either...but Delany target=east
 
SubbaBub said:
Hockey is primarily played on the weekends. Without an even number of teams one team will have a bye every week.

The BIG will not offer anyone the 15th slot while waiting on 16. That will send the nation into a frenzy waiting on the who, how, and why for 16.

If they go to 16, there will be an announcement of 15 and 16 with very little notice beforehand, if any.

All of these little plans are way off. It will happen one way at a time of the BiG's choosing, if it happens at all.
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Pretty much sums it up IMO. When the B1G acts on a 15th member, there will already be a 16th member signed and waiting to be announced. I suppose its possible that UCONN could be invited as a hockey only member with the understanding being that they would be offered full membership should the B1G expand for all sports in the future. A partial membership for all sports except football would raise too many questions that the conference would not want to answer publicly.
 
dayooper said:
Bullet points:

  • Says Big12 is stable, Texas and Oklahoma want to be there, Big12 GoR was given monetary concessions so it is strong.
  • NCST rep says ACC GOR was signed to get ESPN to look at a potential ACCN. Won't get a look without. No money was given so not strong. Big10 thinks they can get by it
  • Says Big10 will approach UVA ang GT this summer. If Big10 keeps with ESPN in some form, The ACCN is dead.
  • FSU us getting jumpy and will look to leave if no ACCN
  • Says Big10 needs to invite FSU, but can't because of AAU status. Taking FSU would tear apart ACC.
  • Not sure if UVA would leave, but GT would be gone in a heartbeat.
  • Big10 could pull $50 million per school if UVA and GT are added.
Hope that helps!
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Does the B1G want part of the ACC? Yes. is the XII stronger than the ACC, no. The B1G does want a school or schools in VA, likely. Is G tech is attractive due to their AAU status and the boatload of B1G alumni in metro Atlanta, yes. Will the B1G expand to GA without a land bridge between Maryland and GA, unlikely (FYI, its 175 miles from Rutgers to UConn while it is 650 between Maryland and G tech). Would FUS's departure hurt the ACC, yes, would it destroy it, no (especially as the tobacco road crowd would likely rejoice)
 
dayooper said:
Bullet points:

  • Says Big12 is stable, Texas and Oklahoma want to be there, Big12 GoR was given monetary concessions so it is strong.
  • NCST rep says ACC GOR was signed to get ESPN to look at a potential ACCN. Won't get a look without. No money was given so not strong. Big10 thinks they can get by it
  • Says Big10 will approach UVA ang GT this summer. If Big10 keeps with ESPN in some form, The ACCN is dead.
  • FSU us getting jumpy and will look to leave if no ACCN
  • Says Big10 needs to invite FSU, but can't because of AAU status. Taking FSU would tear apart ACC.
  • Not sure if UVA would leave, but GT would be gone in a heartbeat.
  • Big10 could pull $50 million per school if UVA and GT are added.
Hope that helps!
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Hey at this point, any activity helps our cause. If teams were to leave the ACC for B1G, I would have to believe that Cincinnati and UConn would be pegged as the two replacements immediately.

Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
Cincy
UConn
VT
Duke
UNC
Louisville
NC State
Clemson
Miami
Wake Forest
Florida State

Funny thing about that scenario, the football side would be marginally worse but basketball would be marginally better
 
Although I am very much against the ACC, that would be an acceptable scenario. 8 of the 14 have come through the Big East so it has the feel of the old Big East football schools acquiring the ACC less Maryland, UVA, and GA Tech. Has the potential to be a very good football conference top to bottom for the east coast.
 
from that dude's post at http://mountaineerfanboy.prophpbb.com/topic100.html

Classic: "Before I get into details I want to address the Big 12. The Big 12 is solid. Texas, and therefore Oklahoma, are 100% committed to the conference. The reasons are many but the primary reason is both believe the Big 12 champion has the easiest access to the playoffs." :confused:
 
Here's the deal: if the B1G takes 2 from the ACC, then the SEC is going to take 2 from ACC and/or Big 12. Then the PAC might eventually end up with their Texas/Oklahoma and little sisters and the remains of the ACC and Big 12 merge (16+ND) and we are then most likely shut out for good.
 
B1G won't take 2 more from the ACC unless it's the UVA/VT combo (out of necessity -- and that isn't likely).

I'm a little surprised (well, not from those guys) that the Georgia Tech talk has been resurrected. They're a fine school, but I don't think it makes much sense financially.
 
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UCONN13KC said:
Just keeping in mind other schools are just as anxious about, and working hard toward, getting above the line.
http://www.coloradoan.com/story/spo...do-state-big-conference-realignment/24921919/
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This reminds me of two things (1) UConn is really well ahead of schools like CSU in almost every metric (pathetic, academic, budget, market) and (2) Ultimately, if there isn't more movement soon, the American and MWC will likely form a 12 team conference with six east, six west, to try to force their way to P6 status. I think the P5 will poach these teams in part to prevent this from happening.
 
The Lambert post (http://mountaineerfanboy.prophpbb.com/topic100.html) and followups spin an improbable story from a number of perspectives:
- The claimed solidity of the B12 depends on the solidity of the GoR and this is a temporary contract with an expiration. If realignment is coming at the expiration of current B12 and ACC deals, then the B12 is not solid.
- His source says the B1G will approach UVa and GT prior to renegotiating its rights deal next year (2016). Given the complex nature of these discussions, they will not be left to the last minute. If the B1G hasn't already approached a school, it's not under consideration for a 2016 add.
- ESPN needs content for ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU. If they don't get Tier1 content from the B1G, they will sorely need ACC content to keep their main networks populated. They won't be able to move ACC content to an ACCN. Whereas if they get the B1G Tier1 deal, then maybe they have enough inventory to populate an ACCN in addition to their existing channels. So a B1G deal is probably necessary to enable an ACCN. Yet Lambert states the opposite -- if ESPN gets B1G content they will refuse an ACCN, while if they lose the B1G they will form an ACCN.
- He says if the ACC gets a network then realignment is over. But an ACCN would not significantly change the relative standing of the conferences or the money flows. It would not impact academic/research criteria. There are lots of reasons realignment may continue even if the ACC gets a network. Perhaps an ACCN strengthens their GoR ... but that may not be decisive, and in any case the GoR has expirations.
- He claims UVa and GT are the targets. Va Tech and UConn are more attractive than Ga Tech, in terms of markets, money, and contiguity. Ga Tech would be on an island in the B1G.
- "Without UVA & GT the B1G likely doesn't have enough revenue differential to convince UVA to leave - ACCN or not." Claim is B1G won't make enough money without UVa to pay UVa significantly more than the ACC. Contrary to everything we've heard. GT is dilutive to the B1G.
- He lists Va Tech as #2 least willing to leave the ACC -- totally contrary to other things we've heard. UVa and GT are #1 and #3 least willing to leave, yet those are the ones he claims are in play. He lists UNC and NC State among the most willing to leave, yet UNC is considered the bulwark of the ACC. He says NC State's motive to leave is to be "Anywhere UNC isn't" and UNC's motive is to have "More money than NCST." Yet UNC and NC State have a common board of governance, dominated by UNC grads. It's doubtful all or even a significant number of NC decision-makers desire to split NC State and UNC into two separate conferences for reasons of petty animosity.
 
pj said:
The Lambert post (http://mountaineerfanboy.prophpbb.com/topic100.html) and followups spin an improbable story from a number of perspectives:
- The claimed solidity of the B12 depends on the solidity of the GoR and this is a temporary contract with an expiration. If realignment is coming at the expiration of current B12 and ACC deals, then the B12 is not solid.
- His source says the B1G will approach UVa and GT prior to renegotiating its rights deal next year (2016). Given the complex nature of these discussions, they will not be left to the last minute. If the B1G hasn't already approached a school, it's not under consideration for a 2016 add.
- ESPN needs content for ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU. If they don't get Tier1 content from the B1G, they will sorely need ACC content to keep their main networks populated. They won't be able to move ACC content to an ACCN. Whereas if they get the B1G Tier1 deal, then maybe they have enough inventory to populate an ACCN in addition to their existing channels. So a B1G deal is probably necessary to enable an ACCN. Yet Lambert states the opposite -- if ESPN gets B1G content they will refuse an ACCN, while if they lose the B1G they will form an ACCN.
- He says if the ACC gets a network then realignment is over. But an ACCN would not significantly change the relative standing of the conferences or the money flows. It would not impact academic/research criteria. There are lots of reasons realignment may continue even if the ACC gets a network. Perhaps an ACCN strengthens their GoR ... but that may not be decisive, and in any case the GoR has expirations.
- He claims UVa and GT are the targets. Va Tech and UConn are more attractive than Ga Tech, in terms of markets, money, and contiguity. Ga Tech would be on an island in the B1G.
- "Without UVA & GT the B1G likely doesn't have enough revenue differential to convince UVA to leave - ACCN or not." Claim is B1G won't make enough money without UVa to pay UVa significantly more than the ACC. Contrary to everything we've heard. GT is dilutive to the B1G.
- He lists Va Tech as #2 least willing to leave the ACC -- totally contrary to other things we've heard. UVa and GT are #1 and #3 least willing to leave, yet those are the ones he claims are in play. He lists UNC and NC State among the most willing to leave, yet UNC is considered the bulwark of the ACC. He says NC State's motive to leave is to be "Anywhere UNC isn't" and UNC's motive is to have "More money than NCST." Yet UNC and NC State have a common board of governance, dominated by UNC grads. It's doubtful all or even a significant number of NC decision-makers desire to split NC State and UNC into two separate conferences for reasons of petty animosity.
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In summary, he's a moron spouting a bunch of nonsense.
 
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