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It's wet and rainy in the Pacific NW on Sunday afternoon and a long way from college football season, so I just have to speculate on conference realignment. I'll put this post in this thread simply because I think this thread has the most pictures of conspiracy kitty already posted in it.

At the risk of being labeled Fluguar and Dude's illegitimate love child, did anyone else find it odd that E. Gordon Gee went to WVU? Fan bases, especially OSU's, have long lobbied for WVU but the B1G always said the couch burners weren't B1G material academically or culturally. Now, in any pack of dogs, there's always the alpha dog--and in the B1G, that alpha dog was E. Gordon Gee. I always found it odd that he went to WVU at his age--it's almost like he was sent on a mission to get the school rehabbed for. . .? Seriously, it's like Ohio said, "We want WVU" and the rest of the B1G said, "Fine, alpha, but you go get them up to standards."

So, there it is, WVU and UConn to the B1G--and, of course, Boston U for all sports.

Enjoy.
 
TruDomGopher said:
It's wet and rainy in the Pacific NW on Sunday afternoon and a long way from college football season, so I just have to speculate on conference realignment. I'll put this post in this thread simply because I think this thread has the most pictures of conspiracy kitty already posted in it.

At the risk of being labeled Fluguar and Dude's illegitimate love child, did anyone else find it odd that E. Gordon Gee went to WVU? Fan bases, especially OSU's, have long lobbied for WVU but the B1G always said the couch burners weren't B1G material academically or culturally. Now, in any pack of dogs, there's always the alpha dog--and in the B1G, that alpha dog was E. Gordon Gee. I always found it odd that he went to WVU at his age--it's almost like he was sent on a mission to get the school rehabbed for. . .? Seriously, it's like Ohio said, "We want WVU" and the rest of the B1G said, "Fine, alpha, but you go get them up to standards."

So, there it is, WVU and UConn to the B1G--and, of course, Boston U for all sports.

Enjoy.
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As a Penn State Alum who grew up viewing WVU as a rival, I would love to see them join the B1G for all sports. I'm personally not as hung up on The AAU requirement that many affiliated with this conference seem to be. As long as they played by the same rules as the rest of the conference for recruiting and player eligibility who cares?

That said you and I both know that there is a better chance that The University of Phoenix would be offered membership before The Neers would even be brought up for discussion. Small economically disadvantaged state with no media markets to exploit. There is no chance their addition could ever pay for itself. None.

As for Gordon Gee being the alpha of The B1G. LOL. Dude was a straight up embarrassment at OSU, and I'm positive that they were tickled to see him move on. The idea that his Presidency at WVU could in any way be viewed as a clandestine effort on the part of The B1G to get The Neers up to snuff is even beyond The Dood.
 
TruDomGopher said:
At the risk of being labeled Fluguar and Dude's illegitimate love child, did anyone else find it odd that E. Gordon Gee went to WVU?
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He was the President of WVU back in the '80's according to Wikipedia:

After clerking for Justice Warren Burger, Gee accepted a position as professor and associate dean at Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah. He became dean and professor at West Virginia University's law school in 1979, and president of the university two years later. As president of a university at age 37, he was one of the youngest chief executives in academia at the time.[9]
 
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TruDomGopher said:
"I think the more educational we are, the more sustainable we are. . .When you monetize everything that can be monetized, it opens up the discussion about what you do as your primary purpose, of what you're about. So I think the more you go into that commercial area of exploitation, the more you're going to get these questions raised. . .the dialogue ought to be about education. It ought to be about opportunities. It ought to be about fairness. It ought to be less about, you know, return on investment and year over year and all that." Jim Delany, February 2015

Delany, of course, is just the spokesman for the 14 presidents/chancellors of the Big Ten, but there has been some real soul searching going on with the academic/athletic internal politics, the O Bannon suit, and what not. I know Kaler has remarked on this as well.

I can't pull the info off the top of my head, but somewhere back in time--and I think this may have had to do with the decision to bypass Missouri--one of the top dogs, if not Delany himself--said that the B1G had made the conscious decision that they would not be "conference busters" and would limit expansion invites to one only from a conference. Now that was some time ago, but I suspect they are going to continue with that philosophy.

Which begs a most interesting question: Would the Big Ten take two ACC teams? Could they say no if UVa and VT wanted to double team or nothing, or what if UVa and UNC both wanted in? Would they say "no" and then try to pair one with UConn?
I don't know the answer, but I do find the question interesting. I think there are some scenarios where the B1G would have trouble saying "no" too, even if the long term implications are bad. Kinda like me at the bar on Saturday night at closing time. . .
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Pretty sure it was Delany himself. It was after the ACC raided the BE the last time. Delany said he wouldn't want the demise of a conference to be a part of his legacy.
 
The key is Delany is a history major--he's using William Tecumseh Sherman's old maps for strategy. Feint northeast with a UConn/BU hockey affiliation, then march through the south capturing Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, and finally Richmond--I mean UVa. Yankees win again and we have the Big20--the first superconference.

I have good sources on this--the water bottle handler at a Texas school.
 
If the B1G was going to give anyone a "Notre Dame" type deal they would've given it to Notre Dame.

The fact that they didn't even consider giving the Domers a partial membership should make it very clear that we are never getting a partial membership deal from them.

As far as the ASU hockey thing goes, it makes sense given the close relationship with the PAC12 to add ASU for hockey. That said there is no reason to go to 8 teams for hockey. There is no advantage to go to 2 divisions of 4 and the current hockey schools have plenty of scheduling options so Flugars claim that if they add ASU they have to go to 8 is about as crazy as all the other internet CR geniuses claiming they "know" what's
 
bobbyinaz said:
If the B1G was going to give anyone a "Notre Dame" type deal they would've given it to Notre Dame.

The fact that they didn't even consider giving the Domers a partial membership should make it very clear that we are never getting a partial membership deal from them.

As far as the ASU hockey thing goes, it makes sense given the close relationship with the PAC12 to add ASU for hockey. That said there is no reason to go to 8 teams for hockey. There is no advantage to go to 2 divisions of 4 and the current hockey schools have plenty of scheduling options so Flugars claim that if they add ASU they have to go to 8 is about as crazy as all the other internet CR geniuses claiming they "know" what's
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The reasons for giving UConn a partial deal vs Notre Dame are polar opposites.
 
bobbyinaz said:
If the B1G was going to give anyone a "Notre Dame" type deal they would've given it to Notre Dame.

The fact that they didn't even consider giving the Domers a partial membership should make it very clear that we are never getting a partial membership deal from them.

As far as the ASU hockey thing goes, it makes sense given the close relationship with the PAC12 to add ASU for hockey. That said there is no reason to go to 8 teams for hockey. There is no advantage to go to 2 divisions of 4 and the current hockey schools have plenty of scheduling options so Flugars claim that if they add ASU they have to go to 8 is about as crazy as all the other internet CR geniuses claiming they "know" what's
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My guess is that the Big Ten would have offered ND a partial membership only as a temporary measure to allow ND to transition from football independence and honor any deals they had. But apparently ND was not ready to give up independence in football at that time. For what it's worth, I think Notre Dame is finally ready to abandon the last remnant of independence and is trying to get their alumni and others resistant to it used to it.

If the Big Ten wanted to add UConn, but did not want to wait until an appropriate 16th team was available, I could see, as a possibility, the Big Ten offer UConn a partial membership, with the understanding that UConn accept full membership when a 16th team has been invited. The difference here is that, unlike ND, UConn would accept a full membership. Obviously, I have no idea that this would happen, but see it as a plausible option if the Big Ten doesn't want to lose UConn to another conference while waiting for a suitable 16th team to become available.

I agree with you regarding hockey. If the Big Ten did add ASU or anyone else, I don't see the extra urgency to get an eighth team. I don't see why 7 is worse than 6. I i suppose the Big Ten would eventually want at least 8 teams, but can wait until their own membership or future membership can add teams.
 
The B1G has a definite set of parameters. But of course, not every university can be a Michigan. Of the current B1G members, not all are: Flagship. Public. AAU. All-In. Good at football. Good at basketball. So there is a chance for anything.
ASU coming to Storrs. If ASU brings its hockey team, then something is up!
 
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Pat125 said:
My guess is that the Big Ten would have offered ND a partial membership only as a temporary measure to allow ND to transition from football independence and honor any deals they had. But apparently ND was not ready to give up independence in football at that time. For what it's worth, I think Notre Dame is finally ready to abandon the last remnant of independence and is trying to get their alumni and others resistant to it used to it.

If the Big Ten wanted to add UConn, but did not want to wait until an appropriate 16th team was available, I could see, as a possibility, the Big Ten offer UConn a partial membership, with the understanding that UConn accept full membership when a 16th team has been invited. The difference here is that, unlike ND, UConn would accept a full membership. Obviously, I have no idea that this would happen, but see it as a plausible option if the Big Ten doesn't want to lose UConn to another conference while waiting for a suitable 16th team to become available.

I agree with you regarding hockey. If the Big Ten did add ASU or anyone else, I don't see the extra urgency to get an eighth team. I don't see why 7 is worse than 6. I i suppose the Big Ten would eventually want at least 8 teams, but can wait until their own membership or future membership can add teams.
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Hockey is primarily played on the weekends. Without an even number of teams one team will have a bye every week.

The BIG will not offer anyone the 15th slot while waiting on 16. That will send the nation into a frenzy waiting on the who, how, and why for 16.

If they go to 16, there will be an announcement of 15 and 16 with very little notice beforehand, if any.

All of these little plans are way off. It will happen one way at a time of the BiG's choosing, if it happens at all.
 
And from the well that was completely expected department, BC and Wake are whining about cost of attendance scholarships, with BC as the lone dissenting vote.

Story in today's NY TIMES.
 
SubbaBub said:
And from the well that was completely expected department, BC and Wake are whining about cost of attendance scholarships, with BC as the lone dissenting vote.

Story in today's NY TIMES.
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Private Catholic, Outlier distance-wise, ~30 varsity sports, expensive tuition...BC is certainly in a difficult spot.
I believe the Big East schools will also try to keep pace but that is going to be tough.
 
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jostar1 said:
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 50m 50 minutes ago
The Big Ten will target 2 ACC schools this summer. Find out who & why here: http://mountaineerfanboy.prophpbb.com/topic100.html
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Bullet points:

  • Says Big12 is stable, Texas and Oklahoma want to be there, Big12 GoR was given monetary concessions so it is strong.
  • NCST rep says ACC GOR was signed to get ESPN to look at a potential ACCN. Won't get a look without. No money was given so not strong. Big10 thinks they can get by it
  • Says Big10 will approach UVA ang GT this summer. If Big10 keeps with ESPN in some form, The ACCN is dead.
  • FSU us getting jumpy and will look to leave if no ACCN
  • Says Big10 needs to invite FSU, but can't because of AAU status. Taking FSU would tear apart ACC.
  • Not sure if UVA would leave, but GT would be gone in a heartbeat.
  • Big10 could pull $50 million per school if UVA and GT are added.
Hope that helps!
 
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 7m 7 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV Good read. And with the exception of one major point it's accurate from my contacts...in which Chris and I may have duplication

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 7m 7 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV The major point of difference is we believe the ACC GOR is not dependent on the creation of the ACCN. But what we agree on...

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 3m 3 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV ..is UVA & GT are on top of Delanys wish list...but with the addition of VA TECH on the list as well. But at this point...

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 1m 1 minute ago
...the perception of the Big Ten is there is not much interest from UVA/GT...no steam as of now. But maybe as Chris says things could..,.

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 1m 1 minute ago
@flugempire ...with no ACCN coming on board. Overall good read. Don't agree with the stability claim of B12 either...but Delany target=east
 
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SubbaBub said:
Hockey is primarily played on the weekends. Without an even number of teams one team will have a bye every week.

The BIG will not offer anyone the 15th slot while waiting on 16. That will send the nation into a frenzy waiting on the who, how, and why for 16.

If they go to 16, there will be an announcement of 15 and 16 with very little notice beforehand, if any.

All of these little plans are way off. It will happen one way at a time of the BiG's choosing, if it happens at all.
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Pretty much sums it up IMO. When the B1G acts on a 15th member, there will already be a 16th member signed and waiting to be announced. I suppose its possible that UCONN could be invited as a hockey only member with the understanding being that they would be offered full membership should the B1G expand for all sports in the future. A partial membership for all sports except football would raise too many questions that the conference would not want to answer publicly.
 
dayooper said:
Bullet points:

  • Says Big12 is stable, Texas and Oklahoma want to be there, Big12 GoR was given monetary concessions so it is strong.
  • NCST rep says ACC GOR was signed to get ESPN to look at a potential ACCN. Won't get a look without. No money was given so not strong. Big10 thinks they can get by it
  • Says Big10 will approach UVA ang GT this summer. If Big10 keeps with ESPN in some form, The ACCN is dead.
  • FSU us getting jumpy and will look to leave if no ACCN
  • Says Big10 needs to invite FSU, but can't because of AAU status. Taking FSU would tear apart ACC.
  • Not sure if UVA would leave, but GT would be gone in a heartbeat.
  • Big10 could pull $50 million per school if UVA and GT are added.
Hope that helps!
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Does the B1G want part of the ACC? Yes. is the XII stronger than the ACC, no. The B1G does want a school or schools in VA, likely. Is G tech is attractive due to their AAU status and the boatload of B1G alumni in metro Atlanta, yes. Will the B1G expand to GA without a land bridge between Maryland and GA, unlikely (FYI, its 175 miles from Rutgers to UConn while it is 650 between Maryland and G tech). Would FUS's departure hurt the ACC, yes, would it destroy it, no (especially as the tobacco road crowd would likely rejoice)
 
dayooper said:
Bullet points:

  • Says Big12 is stable, Texas and Oklahoma want to be there, Big12 GoR was given monetary concessions so it is strong.
  • NCST rep says ACC GOR was signed to get ESPN to look at a potential ACCN. Won't get a look without. No money was given so not strong. Big10 thinks they can get by it
  • Says Big10 will approach UVA ang GT this summer. If Big10 keeps with ESPN in some form, The ACCN is dead.
  • FSU us getting jumpy and will look to leave if no ACCN
  • Says Big10 needs to invite FSU, but can't because of AAU status. Taking FSU would tear apart ACC.
  • Not sure if UVA would leave, but GT would be gone in a heartbeat.
  • Big10 could pull $50 million per school if UVA and GT are added.
Hope that helps!
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Hey at this point, any activity helps our cause. If teams were to leave the ACC for B1G, I would have to believe that Cincinnati and UConn would be pegged as the two replacements immediately.

Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
Cincy
UConn
VT
Duke
UNC
Louisville
NC State
Clemson
Miami
Wake Forest
Florida State

Funny thing about that scenario, the football side would be marginally worse but basketball would be marginally better
 
Although I am very much against the ACC, that would be an acceptable scenario. 8 of the 14 have come through the Big East so it has the feel of the old Big East football schools acquiring the ACC less Maryland, UVA, and GA Tech. Has the potential to be a very good football conference top to bottom for the east coast.
 
from that dude's post at http://mountaineerfanboy.prophpbb.com/topic100.html

Classic: "Before I get into details I want to address the Big 12. The Big 12 is solid. Texas, and therefore Oklahoma, are 100% committed to the conference. The reasons are many but the primary reason is both believe the Big 12 champion has the easiest access to the playoffs." :confused:
 
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