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B1GALUM said:
Tuxedo Yoda@TuxedoYoda · 22m 22 minutes ago
Part 1: Huge scoop. Was told Miami regrets signing ACC GOR. Lack of $ really hurts their ability to eat Golden's contract & hire new staff.

Tuxedo Yoda@TuxedoYoda · 22m 22 minutes ago
Part 2: Miami was told if they came to Big 12 with UCF, they would make a lot more $ and increase for B12 teams as well - all boats rise.

Tuxedo Yoda@TuxedoYoda · 21m 21 minutes ago
Part 3: Miami exploring a way to get out of ACC GOR.
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I don't know how they'd do that but it may not be so bad for the ACC. USF comes in to replace them. ACC gets a foothold in the growing I-4 corridor, with Florida State representing the whole state. Then, if the B12 proceeds to take Cincy and ECU that potentially makes UConn available as the ACC's #16 if ND goes all-in. There won't be anyone else that would jump over them at that point.
 
Miami is a dumpster fire but overall still has more credibility than Tuxedo Dodo and the WV meth addicts.
 
For what it is worth, I can believe that OU wants expansion and UT is opposed. Dude called it a battle of titans in the Big XII and that's about right. So perhaps there is some infighting between those two, with others lining up. I can believe that and it would line up with what everyone is saying.
 
HuskyHawk said:
For what it is worth, I can believe that OU wants expansion and UT is opposed. Dude called it a battle of titans in the Big XII and that's about right. So perhaps there is some infighting between those two, with others lining up. I can believe that and it would line up with what everyone is saying.
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The potential split between Texas and Oklahoma is the one part of the story that makes sense and has cred from what I have heard from a friend from Texas. Apparently Texas believes it's best chance of getting the football playoff is without having a XII championship game and Oklahoma believes the exact opposite. WV will of course side with Oklahoma because they are desperate for a local partner and expansion is their only hope (outside of challenging the XII GoR and begging the ACC again).

If Oklahoma can pry itself loose, I wonder if Kansas will follow? If that happens, the B1G would be drooling at the prospect of adding those two, especially if OK St and Kansas St are not tagging along. SEC could be interested, too.
 
This past weekend, complete with OU losing to TCU, might have been the single best thing to have happened towards getting the CR wheels moving in motion again this entire year. It is very unlikely that OU will get into the Top 4 over a 1-loss Bama and/or Oregon. And if FSU loses a game, that's another 1-loss team that would get the nod over OU.
 
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Dooley said:
This past weekend, complete with OU losing to TCU, might have been the single best thing to have happened towards getting the CR wheels moving in motion again this entire year. It is very unlikely that OU will get into the Top 4 over a 1-loss Bama and/or Oregon. And if FSU loses a game, that's another 1-loss team that would get the nod over OU.
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Chaos in college football is a good thing with respect to conference realignment. Say everyone by the end of the year has 2 or two losses. Who gets in? Who gets left out? I can picture Saban at Alabama having a meltdown if his second plan 2 loss Alabama team loses out on one of the 4 slots to a 1 loss Oregon or ND team. Oklahoma with 1 loss and not XII title would also get left out as you noted. That would 1) push the XII to expand, which will cause other dominoes to fall and 2) expand the playoff to 8 teams, which is what it should be in the first place.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
The potential split between Texas and Oklahoma is the one part of the story that makes sense and has cred from what I have heard from a friend from Texas. Apparently Texas believes it's best chance of getting the football playoff is without having a XII championship game and Oklahoma believes the exact opposite. WV will of course side with Oklahoma because they are desperate for a local partner and expansion is their only hope (outside of challenging the XII GoR and begging the ACC again).

If Oklahoma can pry itself loose, I wonder if Kansas will follow? If that happens, the B1G would be drooling at the prospect of adding those two, especially if OK St and Kansas St are not tagging along. SEC could be interested, too.
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I think that Texas is operating under the guise that it will continue to try to be King of its B12 castle for as long as possible. If there is a mutiny, led by OU, then they have an escape pod to the ACC lined up. The ACC would most definitely allow the LHN to remain in tact, if they wanted, with the promise of a launch of an ACCN. That might be enough for ND to consider full-time membership too. Then if UT left, OU might consider leaving for the B1G with KU or UCONN.

You nailed the issue with this hypothetical scenario though: the B1G would have less than zero interest in bringing in Okielite or Kansaslite.
 
Dooley said:
I think that Texas is operating under the guise that it will continue to try to be King of its B12 castle for as long as possible. If there is a mutiny, led by OU, then they have an escape pod to the ACC lined up. The ACC would most definitely allow the LHN to remain in tact, if they wanted, with the promise of a launch of an ACCN. That might be enough for ND to consider full-time membership too. Then if UT left, OU might consider leaving for the B1G with KU or UCONN.

You nailed the issue with this hypothetical scenario though: the B1G would have less than zero interest in bringing in Okielite or Kansaslite.
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PAC could be interested in OK St and Kansas St if they are separated from their respective big brothers. Due to geographic reasons, not much left for the PAC to grab (Boise St, Nevada, UNLV, San Diego St, BYU [has already said no]) in their existing footprint. Such a move would provide a P4 landing spot for each and thus politically make it possible for Oklahoma and Kansas to move elsewhere. Such a move would likely push Texas somewhere (B1G or PAC would be my guess), too, because remaining in what is left of the XII would be almost as bad as being stuck in the American.
 
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CoastAtlantic said:
I don't know how they'd do that but it may not be so bad for the ACC. USF comes in to replace them. ACC gets a foothold in the growing I-4 corridor, with Florida State representing the whole state. Then, if the B12 proceeds to take Cincy and ECU that potentially makes UConn available as the ACC's #16 if ND goes all-in. There won't be anyone else that would jump over them at that point.
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We are NEVER EVER EVER going to be invited to the ACC
 
Mr. Conehead said:
PAC could be interested in OK St and Kansas St if they are separated from their respective big brothers. Due to geographic reasons, not much left for the PAC to grab (Boise St, Nevada, UNLV, San Diego St, BYU [has already said no]) in their existing footprint. Such a move would provide a P4 landing spot for each and thus politically make it possible for Oklahoma and Kansas to move elsewhere. Such a move would likely push Texas somewhere (B1G or PAC would be my guess), too, because remaining in what is left of the XII would be almost as bad as being stuck in the American.
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The PAC would have no interest in OK St & Kansas St. They didn't want them the last time around when they were coming with UT & Oklahoma. There is no way they would invite them by themselves
 
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
Look, I don't want to insult any fan base. I just want to point out a few things about the economics of expansion.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
First conferences expand for really only 1 reason - to make money. No increase in revenues = no expansion.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
Secondly networks are reluctant to pay for expansion. CBS may not pursue the SEC over the SEC's expansion & $ the SEC wanted.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
The Big 12 is already receiving premium dollar. Their partners will not pay for expansion. They will not overpay for expansion.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
Because the Big 12 is already receiving premium $ any additions would have to bring premium $ with them. No school outside a P5 conf does.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
Expansion has a diminishing returns factor. Additions 15 & 16 have to bring in more $ than 13 & 14.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 60m 60 minutes ago
As worthy as ECU, UCF, Cincy, and USF are they don't merit enough $ to justify their addition to the Big 12 at the current time.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 60m 60 minutes ago
Remember carriage fees mean nothing to the Big 12. Other metrics are more important.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 58m 58 minutes ago
Metrics like Nielsen ratings, merchandising, season ticket sales, 10 year w-l record, bowl record. Top 25 finishes and many more.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 57m 57 minutes ago
Addition with the current tv contract would destabilize the Big 12 by reducing revenues. It's not happening today, tomorrow or in 4 weeks.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 45m 45 minutes ago
@caingle nothing has changed. I'm pro B12 expansion. Nothing is happening.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 44m 44 minutes ago
@caingle I'll give you another reason. Fox & ESPN share the Big 12 contract & both would have to agree to seriously overpay.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 43m 43 minutes ago
@caingle Just for example if the B12 added 2schools the would have to generate an additional $70-90 million in TV revenue each year.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 42m 42 minutes ago
@caingle And that's just to maintain revenues. 4 schools? That's $140-180 million each year.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 41m 41 minutes ago
@caingle And why would he Big 12 expand? What's in it for the 10 current members? Less $ & fewer marquee games with UT & OU?

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 41m 41 minutes ago
@caingle There isn't an escalator in effect. It's the opposite. Dollars stay the same no matter how many schools.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 39m 39 minutes ago
@caingle Have you seen WVU's revenue projections? To maintain levels any addition must at least add $35 million each year.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 38m 38 minutes ago
@caingle The B12 will be able to add a CCG with 10 members due to P5 autonomy. Estimates are another $2.5 million per member at 10 members.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 35m 35 minutes ago
@caingle When the contract reopens the Big 12 will add - if it survives. How many they add is open to debate. 1 to 4.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 34m 34 minutes ago
@caingle And the same source spreading this BS says Miami is so desperate for B12 $ they will spend $50 to exit & not have TV rights.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 33m 33 minutes ago
More tomorrow. Sorry to have to be such a downer. I really wish I could say otherwise.
 
Stinger92860 said:
Has anyone heard anything on our AAU efforts?
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At a recent UConn alumni function in Boston, Susan Herbst was asked this question: "Given the significant and unprecedented public commitment made to STEM and UConn's increasingly successful pursuit of research grants under your tenure---coupled with an understanding that inclusion in a P-5 athletic conference with it's significant advantages both in exposure and dollars is vital to sustaining and enhancing our athletic relevance, how would you characterize UConn's efforts to gain acceptance into the AAU--which is understood to be an important pre-requisite for some."

In her answer to the gathering, she first explained the current conference landscape and discussed how the separation of the P-5 into an autonomous group affects those who are not in the loop. She also spoke positively as expected about our new home in the AAC, our commissioner, and new University partners.

She then added this (paraphrased) comment. "The AAU is essentially an exclusive club of research institutions set up years ago. Right now, many of the original members actually have less of a research footprint than does UConn, and if they were not already members would not now be invited to join. But in order to retain exclusivity, the AAU can't take all of the institutions who feel deserving of membership. It's more like a fraternity. You have to "rush". They have to like you and want you in their frat house. So it's a process, but that is our goal."

She certainly understands the importance of football in the mix. She mentioned that Jim Calhoun, after one of our ugly losses, was in her suite and said "I can cure a bad basketball team with two good guards. In football it's much tougher and takes a lot longer. Be patient"

She understands our dilemma. More importantly, she has the drive (and smarts) to relentlessly pursue her bold agenda for UConn. High on that list would be raising our endowment. We are sadly sitting at a level similar to our smaller, less ambitious, fellow New England state schools. It's frankly an embarrassment as she tries to promote us to the big boys. Without a T. Boone Pickens or Phil Knight type in our midst, the job is a daunting one. The good news is that the new director of the UConn Foundation is an exponential leap forward from the past and after hearing him I was encouraged. Bottom line, here's my advice. When you say those bedtime prayers for your loved ones, include Susan in the mix.
 
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Nostical said:
In her answer to the gathering, she first explained the current conference landscape and discussed how the separation of the P-5 into an autonomous group affects those who are not in the loop. She also spoke positively as expected about our new home in the AAC, our commissioner, and new University partners.
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Would you be able to expand on her comments here?
 
MH3 @MH3 · 3h 2 hours ago
Big10 looking for the coup d'état. Adding the 2 biggest states in college football terms. But we've heard it all before. What's changed?

MH3 @MH3 · 3h 3 hours ago
Fox is apparently telling UT that the next round of tv will not net the B12 a competitive wage

MH3 @MH3 · 3h 3 hours ago
And what of the ACC if they lost their crown jewel(FB)? Wouldn't hurt them as bad as B12 losing theirs

MH3 @MH3 · 3h 3 hours ago
It's why OK and WVU still keeps feelers out to the SEC. B12 looking more temporary every week that passes
 
Nostical said:
At a recent UConn alumni function in Boston, Susan Herbst was asked this question: "Given the significant and unprecedented public commitment made to STEM and UConn's increasingly successful pursuit of research grants under your tenure---coupled with an understanding that inclusion in a P-5 athletic conference with it's significant advantages both in exposure and dollars is vital to sustaining and enhancing our athletic relevance, how would you characterize UConn's efforts to gain acceptance into the AAU--which is understood to be an important pre-requisite for some."

In her answer to the gathering, she first explained the current conference landscape and discussed how the separation of the P-5 into an autonomous group affects those who are not in the loop. She also spoke positively as expected about our new home in the AAC, our commissioner, and new University partners.

She then added this (paraphrased) comment. "The AAU is essentially an exclusive club of research institutions set up years ago. Right now, many of the original members actually have less of a research footprint than does UConn, and if they were not already members would not now be invited to join. But in order to retain exclusivity, the AAU can't take all of the institutions who feel deserving of membership. It's more like a fraternity. You have to "rush". They have to like you and want you in their frat house. So it's a process, but that is our goal."

She certainly understands the importance of football in the mix. She mentioned that Jim Calhoun, after one of our ugly losses, was in her suite and said "I can cure a bad basketball team with two good guards. In football it's much tougher and takes a lot longer. Be patient"

She understands our dilemma. More importantly, she has the drive (and smarts) to relentlessly pursue her bold agenda for UConn. High on that list would be raising our endowment. We are sadly sitting at a level similar to our smaller, less ambitious, fellow New England state schools. It's frankly an embarrassment as she tries to promote us to the big boys. Without a T. Boone Pickens or Phil Knight type in our midst, the job is a daunting one. The good news is that the new director of the UConn Foundation is an exponential leap forward from the past and after hearing him I was encouraged. Bottom line, here's my advice. When you say those bedtime prayers for your loved ones, include Susan in the mix.
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Interesting, now I know what to ask in November when she is scheduled to be at a UConn alumni event at the NYSE in New York.
 
Nostical said:
At a recent UConn alumni function in Boston, Susan Herbst was asked this question: "Given the significant and unprecedented public commitment made to STEM and UConn's increasingly successful pursuit of research grants under your tenure---coupled with an understanding that inclusion in a P-5 athletic conference with it's significant advantages both in exposure and dollars is vital to sustaining and enhancing our athletic relevance, how would you characterize UConn's efforts to gain acceptance into the AAU--which is understood to be an important pre-requisite for some."

In her answer to the gathering, she first explained the current conference landscape and discussed how the separation of the P-5 into an autonomous group affects those who are not in the loop. She also spoke positively as expected about our new home in the AAC, our commissioner, and new University partners.

She then added this (paraphrased) comment. "The AAU is essentially an exclusive club of research institutions set up years ago. Right now, many of the original members actually have less of a research footprint than does UConn, and if they were not already members would not now be invited to join. But in order to retain exclusivity, the AAU can't take all of the institutions who feel deserving of membership. It's more like a fraternity. You have to "rush". They have to like you and want you in their frat house. So it's a process, but that is our goal."

She certainly understands the importance of football in the mix. She mentioned that Jim Calhoun, after one of our ugly losses, was in her suite and said "I can cure a bad basketball team with two good guards. In football it's much tougher and takes a lot longer. Be patient"

She understands our dilemma. More importantly, she has the drive (and smarts) to relentlessly pursue her bold agenda for UConn. High on that list would be raising our endowment. We are sadly sitting at a level similar to our smaller, less ambitious, fellow New England state schools. It's frankly an embarrassment as she tries to promote us to the big boys. Without a T. Boone Pickens or Phil Knight type in our midst, the job is a daunting one. The good news is that the new director of the UConn Foundation is an exponential leap forward from the past and after hearing him I was encouraged. Bottom line, here's my advice. When you say those bedtime prayers for your loved ones, include Susan in the mix.
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She is doing her part very well and the state has put its money where its mouth is. UConn is ascending rapidly. But, in long term, the P-5 issue must be resolved. We are playing a bit of catch-up because the dreadful duo of Hogan and Hathaway, but she is doing all the right things.
 
Nostical said:
At a recent UConn alumni function in Boston, Susan Herbst was asked this question: "Given the significant and unprecedented public commitment made to STEM and UConn's increasingly successful pursuit of research grants under your tenure---coupled with an understanding that inclusion in a P-5 athletic conference with it's significant advantages both in exposure and dollars is vital to sustaining and enhancing our athletic relevance, how would you characterize UConn's efforts to gain acceptance into the AAU--which is understood to be an important pre-requisite for some."

In her answer to the gathering, she first explained the current conference landscape and discussed how the separation of the P-5 into an autonomous group affects those who are not in the loop. She also spoke positively as expected about our new home in the AAC, our commissioner, and new University partners.

She then added this (paraphrased) comment. "The AAU is essentially an exclusive club of research institutions set up years ago. Right now, many of the original members actually have less of a research footprint than does UConn, and if they were not already members would not now be invited to join. But in order to retain exclusivity, the AAU can't take all of the institutions who feel deserving of membership. It's more like a fraternity. You have to "rush". They have to like you and want you in their frat house. So it's a process, but that is our goal."

She certainly understands the importance of football in the mix. She mentioned that Jim Calhoun, after one of our ugly losses, was in her suite and said "I can cure a bad basketball team with two good guards. In football it's much tougher and takes a lot longer. Be patient"

She understands our dilemma. More importantly, she has the drive (and smarts) to relentlessly pursue her bold agenda for UConn. High on that list would be raising our endowment. We are sadly sitting at a level similar to our smaller, less ambitious, fellow New England state schools. It's frankly an embarrassment as she tries to promote us to the big boys. Without a T. Boone Pickens or Phil Knight type in our midst, the job is a daunting one. The good news is that the new director of the UConn Foundation is an exponential leap forward from the past and after hearing him I was encouraged. Bottom line, here's my advice. When you say those bedtime prayers for your loved ones, include Susan in the mix.
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There are Connecticut Prep schools with larger endowments than UConn
That's insane
 
bobbyinaz said:
The PAC would have no interest in OK St & Kansas St. They didn't want them the last time around when they were coming with UT & Oklahoma. There is no way they would invite them by themselves
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Slight correction - Texas already declined by the time this went up for Pac-12 voting. They probably would have been ok with it if both OU and Texas were in.
 
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woomba said:
Slight correction - Texas already declined by the time this went up for Pac-12 voting. They probably would have been ok with it if both OU and Texas were in.
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Virginia pulled strings to get VPI in the ACC. Ohio does not seem to care about Cinci. Different strategies for different reasons. I wonder if the states of Kansas and Oklahoma might soon wonder how viable the Big 12 is long term and perhaps it may be time to put their eggs in different baskets. Send Kansas to the B1G which is a lock as opposed to having two schools in a question mark.
 
AZHuskiePop said:
There are Connecticut Prep schools with larger endowments than UConn
That's insane
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Considering the age and the name of of the private schools in CT (Choate, Hopkins), not that surprised. Harvard has an endowment larger that many developed countries and is the second largest private endowment behind the Catholic Church.
 
Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
@MHver3 The Big 10 would take Oklahoma with Texas. But Texas/boosters have no interest in Big 10. Boren looks at B1G as a positive option

MHver3 @MHver3 · 19h 19 hours ago
Don't know why B1G never really showed interest in the Sooners though. I'd just take them and UT and call it a day. Academic snobbery?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
@MHver3 It's not so much academic snobbery as its about OU not being a big enough research school. But OU exception would be made w/Texas

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
@MHver3 OU entrance into B1G in 16/17 would have helped Delany greatly with new tier 1 negotiations...but Big 12 GOR stops it for now.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
@MHver3 OU and Boren have a building relationship with Delany, Texas does not. Texas built it's parachute out of LHN with INDY/ACC not B1G

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 4h3 hours ago
@chad_rice @MHver3 Boren knows he has friends with ADs of the Big 10....all of the West. But Texas is cold to B1G for various reasons.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempireflugempire
@RedhawkLand @chad_rice @MHver3 schools own a slice of the 49% of the BTN (FOX 51%). OU is watching...and talking to B1G. There is no doubt

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 4h 4 hours ago
@chad_rice @MHver3 OU has pressure to bring along OSU..but it has been surpassed by pressure to increase exposure of their brand nationally

Greg Flugaur @flugempire • 3h 3 hours ago
@RedhawkLand @chad_rice @MHver3 I can confirm OU has been pitched scenarios and it will continue..but TX is cold to B1G. Boosters icy
 
Nostical said:
At a recent UConn alumni function in Boston, Susan Herbst was asked this question: "Given the significant and unprecedented public commitment made to STEM and UConn's increasingly successful pursuit of research grants under your tenure---coupled with an understanding that inclusion in a P-5 athletic conference with it's significant advantages both in exposure and dollars is vital to sustaining and enhancing our athletic relevance, how would you characterize UConn's efforts to gain acceptance into the AAU--which is understood to be an important pre-requisite for some."

In her answer to the gathering, she first explained the current conference landscape and discussed how the separation of the P-5 into an autonomous group affects those who are not in the loop. She also spoke positively as expected about our new home in the AAC, our commissioner, and new University partners.

She then added this (paraphrased) comment. "The AAU is essentially an exclusive club of research institutions set up years ago. Right now, many of the original members actually have less of a research footprint than does UConn, and if they were not already members would not now be invited to join. But in order to retain exclusivity, the AAU can't take all of the institutions who feel deserving of membership. It's more like a fraternity. You have to "rush". They have to like you and want you in their frat house. So it's a process, but that is our goal."

She certainly understands the importance of football in the mix. She mentioned that Jim Calhoun, after one of our ugly losses, was in her suite and said "I can cure a bad basketball team with two good guards. In football it's much tougher and takes a lot longer. Be patient"

She understands our dilemma. More importantly, she has the drive (and smarts) to relentlessly pursue her bold agenda for UConn. High on that list would be raising our endowment. We are sadly sitting at a level similar to our smaller, less ambitious, fellow New England state schools. It's frankly an embarrassment as she tries to promote us to the big boys. Without a T. Boone Pickens or Phil Knight type in our midst, the job is a daunting one. The good news is that the new director of the UConn Foundation is an exponential leap forward from the past and after hearing him I was encouraged. Bottom line, here's my advice. When you say those bedtime prayers for your loved ones, include Susan in the mix.
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Please copy and paste this every time one of our board's nitwits start in on their ridiculous Herbst comments. I firmly believe that if President Herbst was our President in the 90s, UCONN would be in the B1G today. It's incredibly difficult to play catch-up when there are so many areas that UCONN needed to or continues to need to improve under her watch (endowment figure, research/AAU profile, football performance, fan support, student body increase, APR, replacing a basketball coaching legend, upgrading hockey, etc).
 
OU would be pressured to bring okielite anywhere they go, Kansas with Kansas St, Texas with Texas Tech...that's the problem (other than GOR) with targeting a B12 school. In order to catch a trophy fish, you also have to grab a minnow.
 
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